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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

Those whales that you're pointing are manipulating the market by just selling and buying a huge number of bitcoins that really affects the market that can cause of pump and dump of its price. And sometimes they are spreading FUDS that can cause of panic selling of those small time holders that are afraid of losing a bigger amount of money if they don't sell immediately.

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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

These are based on my personal knowledge in whales, manipulation start with series of interval pumping of specific coins. They usually divide the pumping into the five consecutive days of pumping

Example:
Day 1 1M USD
Day 2 1M USD
Day 3 1M USD
Day 4 1M USD
Day 5 1M USD

Between the day 6 to day 10 they usually exit their investment. These are the period where most of the small player starts to invest. Whales are not guaranteed to win on their trade but most of the time they won. They have high probability of winning.

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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

In similar manner where the pumping and dumping activity is performed by group of people on one consent. In case of the whales well they are whales and they can just do it alone or in groups with more or less huge effects on the coins that is getting pumped. Its just that if you put more money into he market with higher buy walls then the coin price (high rate) starts changing to next buy wall. More the demand more is the value gained by that value and thus at the end if whales are satisfied then they will stop at desired rates and will stop investing more

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Quote from: minthit on April 28, 2018, 11:33:08 PM

While I am trying to learn about manipulation, I found this.
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/990367593923055621
Other than whales cycling the profit, I realize there can also be bad actors trying to manipulate the market. That's bad especially for those who have no idea what the market is about. Maybe also that's why people say hodling is the best strategy.

I have always advised people to do some research on their own regardless the nature of news they heard. Even if it is in the favor of them, they ought to dig deep for their own safety. But in case of bad rumors, the necessity of detecting stuff increases as this is more harmful due to the way it effects the listener. He becomes more vulnerable to mistakes. Generally, giving up on any coin becomes a regret.

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Quote from: kaizerblitz on April 25, 2018, 12:08:14 AM

By dumling the price and pumping the price whales has a power it comes manipulated the pricing. In this world of crypto it's a big advantage those have a big investment.

It is just more like calling them the biggest fish and they are that way because they are holding a huge amount of any of the coin and that simply makes them a whale. They can affect the market because of the position in the market, and that is how they make shit load of profit anyway. They move the market based on how the perceive it at a point and then they know how to do this perfectly as long as they are making a lot from it. Most traders know what to look out for technically, whales know how to read emotions; long term investors just know how to watch the play.

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Personally, I dont believe in this whale theory. it's the market that results this movement.

More likely what I believe in is the controlled news flow... sometimes good news are coming out every day, the next period only bad ones.

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Their exit and entry makes the demand increase or go sky rocket that because of that quantity of demand, it causes the price pump or the bull trend we know in a day. It is not entirely up to them that the price increases but they play a major part of it when the market moves overtime.

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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

whales or big players toy with price conditions by making a very big selling wall and do not give a high buy order, and I've seen with my eyes the whale buy instantly and the difference of 2 seconds the price directly in the dump again.

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there are a lot of ways , Just one of them happened 2 days ago when bitcoin made a 750 $ candle in just a minute!
another way is to using trading bots and make a fake orderbook , and you see fake walls in some price that makes you to think it is a resistance or a support , but when you put your order they remove fake orders!
This market is like a jungle , need to be very careful.

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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

Manipulation is normal in both forex and crypto trading.
Whales are those who have big sum of crypto or money which they can use to artificially pump or dump price of any coin they want, specially when there is fud around the coin.

Most of the time only small size traders and newbie get trapped in this manipulation but if real news get out than market might react opposite of whale move where whale might loss big sum.

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Whales often see on the big exchanges like Bittrexx and many other example exchanges. They can manipulate the price of a cryptocurrencies through buying or selling the specific altcoins they want to trade.If they want to trade, they are in group or even organization. It is good to buy with them because there is a lot of chances that you can earn big profits if you trade with them but be careful sometimes. They can cause a big pump or dump in the markets if they want.

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Quote from: minthit on April 28, 2018, 11:33:08 PM

While I am trying to learn about manipulation, I found this.
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/990367593923055621
Other than whales cycling the profit, I realize there can also be bad actors trying to manipulate the market. That's bad especially for those who have no idea what the market is about. Maybe also that's why people say hodling is the best strategy.

that tweet is the least related to this subject that is being discussed here, mainly because it is posted by a person who is tweeting about a bitcoin fork himself, possibly the dev of the said coin!
in any case twitter is a good example of whale manipulation of altcoin market. there are lots of pump groups most of which are just kidding themselves and scamming newbies who follow them but some big ones are also exploiting the newbishness of investors and making profit from their idiocy.

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Quote from: pooya87 on April 24, 2018, 11:13:07 PM

there are just too many ways of doing it so it is impossible to give you a walk through but just as an example of how you can notice it i can talk about ETH and the way they used to prevent its crashes. the whales there were putting up huge buy walls on major exchanges (at the time it was poloniex), these buy walls were huge to eat any dumps that were coming. it lasted days and that slowed down the dump of this coin significantly.
such walls is a good sign that there is a huge dump going on which the whales don't like but is inevitable.

In fact, that simple explains it all. However, I will like to add that these whales are actually the ones with the large money who always use their positions anyway to start the downward or any upward movement. They know when to start accumulating in a market and they know when to start distributing.

It is their way, they have always been doing it and they of course would be able to explain better but the way it is, they are more like the ones making the market what it is, the traders participating and some noobs getting pinched.

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While I am trying to learn about manipulation, I found this.
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/990367593923055621
Other than whales cycling the profit, I realize there can also be bad actors trying to manipulate the market. That's bad especially for those who have no idea what the market is about. Maybe also that's why people say hodling is the best strategy.

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Quote from: rickadone on April 28, 2018, 01:43:38 PM

Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

We are not whales, so assume this to be our imagination. They have enough money to accumulate as much as they can during a deep correction and from then on, they try as much as possible to instigate some potential market trying to move up and in that case, you start seeing traders and some few people who do not even have any knowledge of trading trying to get in, gradually, however they want the price to move, they give the signs and then they profit a lot from that whereas they recycle it until they keep getting more and more.

Think I somewhat agree with this. Just like all our presumptions about big banks, Wall Street traders, institutional whales... we all think we know how and what they do, but we'll never really know. I wonder sometimes that if we were on the nail, wouldn't others be able to gang up and act like whales, and therefore, nullify their strategies? I've read a few posts about so-called Spoofy too and I buy quite a bit of the logic behind it, but I think the whales are far removed from these discussions and probably work in ways far more complex than what we're able to discern.

But cycling of profits makes a lot of sense. I think we see it in Bitcoin also - whales just doubling, tripling, cycling profits.

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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

When we do talk about whales then they are the big players on this industry which they are capable enough on manipulating prices since they do have the money to play. Lets say they are even just a group or an individual who would decide to pump or dump a certain coin and since they do have the money they can do that with ease.As a trader you will got pissed when you caught in between but if you can able to ride with the wave then it would be an advantage for you.

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Quote from: rickadone on April 28, 2018, 01:43:38 PM

Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

We are not whales, so assume this to be our imagination. They have enough money to accumulate as much as they can during a deep correction and from then on, they try as much as possible to instigate some potential market trying to move up and in that case, you start seeing traders and some few people who do not even have any knowledge of trading trying to get in, gradually, however they want the price to move, they give the signs and then they profit a lot from that whereas they recycle it until they keep getting more and more.

Bump signals are living with the help of whales mate. Do you agree that whales are not manipulating the coins. I really believe this happening not imagination and all as you said bro. There are people like do not trust this.
I see the banking corporates are the really troubling the bitcoin with the help of media power they have.
Please whales do not trouble the cryptocurrency user as you want to make the money on banking side.

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Quote from: rickadone on April 28, 2018, 01:43:38 PM

Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

We are not whales, so assume this to be our imagination. They have enough money to accumulate as much as they can during a deep correction and from then on, they try as much as possible to instigate some potential market trying to move up and in that case, you start seeing traders and some few people who do not even have any knowledge of trading trying to get in, gradually, however they want the price to move, they give the signs and then they profit a lot from that whereas they recycle it until they keep getting more and more.

whales as some of the big players took a lot of here in currency and they are the people that can have to control and might be know what should be the movement of coin i think more knowledge may take on it.

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Quote from: minthit on April 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM

I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?

We are not whales, so assume this to be our imagination. They have enough money to accumulate as much as they can during a deep correction and from then on, they try as much as possible to instigate some potential market trying to move up and in that case, you start seeing traders and some few people who do not even have any knowledge of trading trying to get in, gradually, however they want the price to move, they give the signs and then they profit a lot from that whereas they recycle it until they keep getting more and more.

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Whales are the ones who can handle large amounts of money in the market. Their buying and selling volumes have a big impact on the Crypto market. So they bought the price for the altcoin price increase, after rising to the level whales are not afford to buy, they will sell in large quantities and prices begin to decline.

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