Topic: How do you guys feel about trust farming? (Read 2575 times)

Some people seem to be farming negative trust against themselves in order to retaliate with negative trust & harvest post after post of anti-terms lynch mob BS defending their indefensible violation of terms they agreed to in advance, requiring me to hop in my tail dragger & crop dust refutation pesticide all over their fields.

Should I just change all my ratings to neutrals?

/c

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/thebutterzone-trust-abuse-and-hostile-auction-conditions-2663809
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/thebutterzone-removed-from-default-trust-858730
https://archive.is/AlPdv
https://archive.is/VRQlw

I wouldn’t worry about who’s is doing what and why they’re doing it. Worry about YOU first and take care of your self and then you can comment on the state of the forum if you want.

"You won't get anything else in life until you take care of what you have!"

I personal believe that it’s none of my business what anyone is doing; they're not paying my rent. Right now you have a newbie profile; try to work on building up your reputation. You posted a total of 0 posts since November 11th of 2017 and had 8 posts before then, so what the hell are you doing? You need to get to work if your aim is to build reputation if not then -- I don’t see how or why another person's affairs is any of your business.

Take your time, write what you need to write, relax, and be constructive on this forum. It’s not rocket science. Personally, I’m not trying to get a trust of any type, I’m not trying to sell any particular product, but inadvertently providing a service by projecting my self onto the world  through writing and then allowing the world to project its self onto me.

I am sure they wouldn't just give a trust rating if his transactions, negotiations, and other dealings have been successful otherwise moderators will give him a red trust rating. I think it is not farming when your intention was to really conduct a legit transactions here without scamming or taking advantage of someone's weakness.

Can you send it to me by pm.

There's nothing wrong with being careful, so go for it.

I don't agree, especially as you're making a fallacious generalization that people without guilt don't apologize. That can't obviously be universally true. It also comes down to the personality of the user(s) in question. A decent[1] example to compare their reaction would be myself, where I stand strong ground on false accusations. I've also seen others apologize for mistakenly claiming something that was not true I believe (their intent was not to intentionally claim something untrue).

Fair point. I agree. However, their reputation as managers would tank.

Trying my best despite repeated attacks and setbacks.

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[1] That might not be a very well example as I usually get attacked by butthurt shills and bullshit.

I will for sure.


Why Apologize then? Only people with guilt apologize that easily on the sign of first trouble. Well that's just me in this case. I think they should have stood their stance and said nope that was never our intention, But By apologizing they indirectly accepted what they were doing.

So do i, but i have seen abuse of power too many times to risk it all.

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You have not disappointed me Lauda, That's what i expect from you every time. Keep doing the good work.

Is that a real "when I will" or did you make a mistake and intended an "if i"? If not, when will you reveal this?

If you're a good poster, there's always room for you somewhere else. However, I wouldn't expect a good campaign manager to deny entry to a good poster just because said poster criticized them (given that the criticism is objectively valid(!) and not some butthurt nonsense).

These things aren't bipolar, i.e. they aren't just either shady or not shady. They get increasingly complex and have multiple categories as soon as you add more variables, e.g. malicious or not. Therefore, that needs a bit more context, but the general answer is "yes".

You aren't properly categorizing behavior. You claim that they were trust farming, right? However, you can categorize such behavior as:
1) Blatantly trying to buy trust. An example of this would be users that made posts stating they'd pay others for trust.
2) Admitted to buying or attempting to buy trust after suspicions were raised (or similar) without a post as described above.
3) People that might or might have not done that (but have not admitted to such nor is there any post which would confirm said behavior), but some people think/feel they they have done that/are trying to do that.
4) Other.

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IMO we are dealing with the 3rd case here. While you may be inclined to believe that, I am inclined to believe others. Generally I'm really doubtful of people, especially those that I've had next to no interactions with. My interactions with aTriz and Aventhe so far were brief and all of them very recent. I do not believe that: a) They are alts (as some have previous claimed). b) Their intention was to farm up trust. In case of doubt, the best that you can do here is just keep a closer eye on them.

You won't, when i will reveal my original account. I really Respect you.


Well that's what i don't want. I may in future move into a campaign which is managed by them. So i don't want to shut my doors.

Anyway, lets not make this about me.

Also before I ask you a question i need to mention one thing. i don't think what you did with quickseller was shady. [/b] its what he deserved.

Now Reply Honestly Lauda, If a person is caught in a shady behavior, where its clear that they were after gaining trust, Should they be red painted or not? it's that simple. I will leave this issue alone if you respond to this.

Also i am not blaming you for not red painting them. its just that these users have did something which they should have not. I would like to hear your opinion on why they aren't getting red painted?

Why do I doubt this?

Neither aTriz nor Aventhe can't literally do anything to you other than kick you out of their campaigns or put you on their personal blacklists. Therefore, you have no reason to hide behind an alt(?).

LMAO, I have Huge Respect for you lauda, Please stay out of this. Just a hint I am in one of the top paying Signature campaigns here I just don't want to get my original account in trouble that's all. When you have demons roaming around, people have to take precautions. 

Well that means nothing here, People can move out etc. I have seen many people tumble from 100+ trust to -999, They too had their public details, but how many got justice for what they did? I believe that answer is well below zero. You guys did something which is clearly shady and i think you guys should get what you people deserve. Also once a person has done something shady. They can't be trusted in my opinion. I believe they will do anything to get some extra bucks. I have personally nothing against you, but i hate when rules are bent for 'few' users.

Be honest if this had been any other member, They would have got red painted all over! But in this case, they are being not, Which raise tons of eyebrows. Why someone gets a negative trust if after a deal they ask for positive feedback? Especially from users like Monbux etc? They understand the underlying problem behind giving trust on low value of trades. Which TheButterZone in this case doesn't seems to understand.  

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Also for AtRiz, He got a loan request the same day he started his loan service, with a good amount of collateral.. Well That along with this, Raises Alarms for me atleast.

TheButterZone, here's a word of advice: Ignore that shill account and save yourself the time. It is likely someone that got denied entry to a campaign or got booted out of one since both aTriz and Aventhe are campaign managers. Therefore, their concern is not legitimate but rather just a vendetta out of spite.

Again, quote properly.

Legendary members, the forum's global moderators, all complaining, wasting our time/money (because time IS money). You're not alone. Be the one who finally gives us enough leverage to tear down this wall!

A user on the forum already knows my name and shipping address. I think the same can be said for aTriz. What makes you think that in light of that I would scam anyone with a loan or escrow services?

Well i can't go alone to bring this revolution

The world is a dangerous place to live;
not because of the poeple who are evil,
but because of people who don't do anything
about it.

- Albert Einstein

Well I guess, fuck you and your libelous SHIT.

I didn't make the forum rule I've cited over and over and over again. But I'm damn sure going to abide by it as long as our complaints don't result in change.

How about instead of trying to micromanage ratings, you try to macromanage them & get the forum's rule changed? Nobody's stopping you. How much BTC do you have to "bribe" with?

Good ol Scammer Excuse 'Was Never My Intention'. That sentence is even more shadier then apologizing for what you did.


So is gaining trust through shady means

Well i guess, you too are the part of the problem! You are not seeing the bigger picture here. A Scammer buys an email from you, gets a +1, Does a few trades, gets more green. Then finally Tries to get a loan or starts an escrow and runs away with a good amount of BTC. If people start giving out the positive feedback for cents or few dollars, the community will suffer a lot.

Fix my quote, stalker.

No, they know they should get positive feedback if they have a successful trade with whom, on this forum (who actually obey the feedback page's instruction)? That's right...



Fucking HATE having to be redundant, but: