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June 05, 2020, 04:22:37 PM
Then that has nothing to do with avoiding FOMO

FOMO refers to greed as it gets aroused when the prices start to rise and people are desperately trying to jump on the bandwagon when it is already too late most of the time (the opposite of jumping the ship when the prices plunge). So it is not about closing your position because it is more about opening one. Put simply, you can't avoid FOMO by closing your position as this is simply beyond the scope of the entire FOMO idea. Just to make things a little bit more clear

It has something to do with FOMO.

Imagine I'm a new trader and after closing my position (most likely when price rallies and gets to a potential reversal zone), I kept on watching this pair and next thing that happens is price breaks past my presumed "potential reversal zone", It is very possible FOMO happens; making me wanna get back in that trade cos I didn't get the most out of the market.

This is what I mean by "Taking my profit and not looking back". I do this to prevent FOMO and other emotions that can come alongside!  Smiley
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June 05, 2020, 09:45:51 AM
Not a very bright idea if you ask me. While it makes perfect sense in gambling (otherwise known as "roll and run"), with trading you are typically in for the long haul. It means reinvesting almost everything earned to unleash the full potential of compounding. Indeed, you may and in fact must switch between assets by selling overpriced and buying undervalued ones (known as "portfolio reshuffle"), but other than that, it is a never-ending game of making dough

And another key difference from gambling

Taking my profit without looking back helps me avoid FOMO

Taking your profit and running away is not what trading is typically about

As I had explained in the post you quoted, most people are engaged in trading for the sole purpose of making a living out of it, for the long haul, that is. In this manner, they are kinda stuck in the sell-buy routine (as in buy low, sell high), and that means going back and forth between fear and greed as prices go up and down. To sum up, it is far from "taking my profit and never looking back"

You don't get my point.
Once my trade hits my target, I take my profit and move on according to my trading plan

Then that has nothing to do with avoiding FOMO

FOMO refers to greed as it gets aroused when the prices start to rise and people are desperately trying to jump on the bandwagon when it is already too late most of the time (the opposite of jumping the ship when the prices plunge). So it is not about closing your position because it is more about opening one. Put simply, you can't avoid FOMO by closing your position as this is simply beyond the scope of the entire FOMO idea. Just to make things a little bit more clear
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June 05, 2020, 09:32:52 AM
Not a very bright idea if you ask me. While it makes perfect sense in gambling (otherwise known as "roll and run"), with trading you are typically in for the long haul. It means reinvesting almost everything earned to unleash the full potential of compounding. Indeed, you may and in fact must switch between assets by selling overpriced and buying undervalued ones (known as "portfolio reshuffle"), but other than that, it is a never-ending game of making dough

And another key difference from gambling

Taking my profit without looking back helps me avoid FOMO

Taking your profit and running away is not what trading is typically about

As I had explained in the post you quoted, most people are engaged in trading for the sole purpose of making a living out of it, for the long haul, that is. In this manner, they are kinda stuck in the sell-buy routine (as in buy low, sell high), and that means going back and forth between fear and greed as prices go up and down. To sum up, it is far from "taking my profit and never looking back"

You don't get my point.
Once my trade hits my target, I take my profit and move on according to my trading plan.

If I plan to take another trade, I take it also.

"Taking my profit and never looking back" simply means not letting the behaviour of the market after hitting my target affect me.

That's where greed sets in and traders make irrational entries/decisions.
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June 05, 2020, 09:24:13 AM
Not a very bright idea if you ask me. While it makes perfect sense in gambling (otherwise known as "roll and run"), with trading you are typically in for the long haul. It means reinvesting almost everything earned to unleash the full potential of compounding. Indeed, you may and in fact must switch between assets by selling overpriced and buying undervalued ones (known as "portfolio reshuffle"), but other than that, it is a never-ending game of making dough

And another key difference from gambling

Taking my profit without looking back helps me avoid FOMO

Taking your profit and running away is not what trading is typically about

As I had explained in the post you quoted, most people are engaged in trading for the sole purpose of making a living out of it, for the long haul, that is. In this manner, they are kinda stuck in the sell-buy routine (as in buy low, sell high), and that means going back and forth between fear and greed as prices go up and down. To sum up, it is far from "taking my profit and never looking back"
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June 05, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
Well, there's another rule (actually, two rules). It mostly refers to investing (if we consider it a different effort), and it is Warren Buffett's invention. So here are the rules:

Rule 1: Never lose money
Rule 2: Never forget rule 1

If we draw an analogy here, it is not so much about trading the money that you can afford to lose but rather not losing whatever money gets traded. If you follow these two simple rules, you can trade as much money as you want (more money means higher profits)

Probably this applies when your position is in profit

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other

If you are in profit, you are "in the money" (using the futures market parlance). If you are losing money, you are either breaking the rule 2 or, if you don't forget it, the rule 1. But that's not the point here. The very idea that you should trade only the money you can afford to lose is stillborn, and for a reason. You trade for a living, and that means this rule is meaningless as you could just stay away from trading altogether instead. Warren Buffett with his wisdom hit the nail on the head and got it right 100 percent

Lol i got your point
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June 05, 2020, 08:49:28 AM
Well, there's another rule (actually, two rules). It mostly refers to investing (if we consider it a different effort), and it is Warren Buffett's invention. So here are the rules:

Rule 1: Never lose money
Rule 2: Never forget rule 1

If we draw an analogy here, it is not so much about trading the money that you can afford to lose but rather not losing whatever money gets traded. If you follow these two simple rules, you can trade as much money as you want (more money means higher profits)

Probably this applies when your position is in profit

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other

If you are in profit, you are "in the money" (using the futures market parlance). If you are losing money, you are either breaking the rule 2 or, if you don't forget it, the rule 1. But that's not the point here. The very idea that you should trade only the money you can afford to lose is stillborn, and for a reason. You trade for a living, and that means this rule is meaningless as you could just stay away from trading altogether instead. Warren Buffett with his wisdom hit the nail on the head and got it right 100 percent
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June 05, 2020, 08:38:57 AM
Many people said that trading is one of the best ways to make more earning which is a good thing but I'm against that trading is one of the easiest ways to make more money because trading is full of risk it depends on your self and capability to make win your trades. Some of the people make a preparation about trades like what you need are you having enough knowledge and skills to make more trade and win your trade. Next is you are mentally stable or not because sometimes many people making a trade that they are not prepared enough which is not good because you are prone to make bad decisions in trade sometimes this is the time when the people getting feared and getting greedy.

One of the things I do when I lose my trade is taking a break this is really important because you need to have a peaceful mind to make sure all of your trades are going to keep safe because you have a stable state. Also, it is better if you analyze those problems what are your mistakes and encounter so next, you face the same problem you can now make it so solve and avoid getting loss of your funds.

Trading business spends more than it receives during an accounting period, it has made a trading loss. You can set off trading losses against profit or capital gains in any of the ways discussed below & trade can claim terminal loss relief for losses generated in the final accounting period. Losses may be carried back up to three years and set off against total profits.

Loss on your trades is part of the market trading but at the end of the day one of the best things you could have is the profit even you lose a lot but still, you have an income there is a chance you will get a profit.
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June 05, 2020, 08:22:41 AM
It has not been an easy thing to do man. There are times I will be trading and lose a money that I don't want to lose, I will end up feeling really bad that day. When we are not getting practiced to losses in trading, passing the day after a loss will be feeling like leading life in Hell.  I can remember the day I lost money and I couldn't even eat lol Grin. I was just there feeling really bad.

Well, that was in the past, I have learnt a lot and also how to manage my risks. I think anyone that wants to be a day trader or even an investor should learn risk management, it will help them a lot. You should know the level of risk you can tolerate and stick to that level. This time around when I lose money I don't bother much, because I know I will still be able to cover up in few days.

Man, you were attached to that trade.  Grin

if you trade in the spot market, the loss will definitely be replaced by another investment at a cheap price,
but if you play in the futures exchange then you can lose all your money

All markets are risky!

That makes sense, I never thought about it that way. Trading is not the only part of life and when you end up with a loss it is a very bad feeling, you could figure out ways to see it as a good thing or you could try to just suppress that feeling, but focusing on something totally different is a great idea. I personally never tried it but from now on I am going to try it as much as I can.

To start off with watching a movie after a loss could be a great thing, whenever I feel sad because of something, I try to watch a series on netflix and I am usually watching so many and listed so many I barely ever run out, and it helps me forget them, and loss in trading is one of them that I never considered. So on my next ever loss on trading, I will just go to netflix and start watching a show, that will probably help me too.

I love your technique  Grin

While it can be frustrating, it is not the end of the world

Trading is very much like gambling, but unlike gambling all your losses are paper only unless they become realized, i.e. when the position is closed. With gambling it is quite different, and when your balance is wiped out clean, it is the end of the world of sorts. Of course, trading shitcoins is not particularly different from gambling in terms of financial result, but the difference is still one of kind rather than degree. Put shortly, seeing a few losses here and there is nothing for a seasoned gambler who turned to trading

Well, I believe the only thing that's separates trading from gambling is that your strategy gives you a higher probability of either a buy or sell happening.


The thing here is that you do still able to have that potential comeback or recovery since you do still own those coins that you have traded which means it not totally a loss or completely wipe out but somewhat
you are holding some less value coins but you can choose to hold em up and this is the difference between pure gambling.

Its not necessary for us to have those lots of mistakes or losses for us to learn.While we are on the process of learning, we should try our best to minimize the risk as possible.

Handling out losses might vary one each individual because not all would really have the same level of understanding and emotional aspect.

If only greed will let everyone maintain proper risk.

Not a very bright idea if you ask me. While it makes perfect sense in gambling (otherwise known as "roll and run"), with trading you are typically in for the long haul. It means reinvesting almost everything earned to unleash the full potential of compounding. Indeed, you may and in fact must switch between assets by selling overpriced and buying undervalued ones (known as "portfolio reshuffle"), but other than that, it is a never-ending game of making dough

And another key difference from gambling

Taking my profit without looking back helps me avoid FOMO

It was acceptable to have losses in trading but it was also different when you are saying ALWAYS. If this case is still happening, I have to quite in trading. There is something we need to figure out what is wrong and where are we getting wrong, our strategies? Luck of knowledge? Or we are an emotional trader.
Because we are still going to continue trading without looking these holes on us, believe me, we are not going far but just keep on losing. That was hard when we pretending ourselves that we are totally ready for this thing but actually is not. That is why we have to look back and have to think deeply.

No trader grows without looking back! You just gotta learn from your mistakes!.

Trading isn't an easy task nor a simple game. A trader must always set his psychological stability before taking any steps in trading as risks are common in the matter. Also, a good trader doesn't always learn just because he has been told that he must be stable under any pressure, but rather by experiencing such losses in trading and coping it up. Professionals can also loss a trade, but then it is by experience that makes him invulnerable to such psychological breakdowns.

somethings in trading can't be taught. You have to experience it yourself!

I agree with you. Some people believe in the concept of taking risk and losing while trading to the extent that they've forgotten losing is just to be a part that should make you rethink and restructure your trading strategies towards a more profitable one. It is okay to take risk and make mistakes but don't take blind risk, any trader that want to be profitable must take calculated risk as well be uptimistic always

Exactly! That's the word! Calculated Risk

well i just accept ang let go about my loss i'll just do it again because i might get lucky and retrieve my loss.

I don't believe trading should be based on luck! If it is, then it is gambling!

Facing losses is not a big thing when you are trading along with calculated risks. It means you must risk in your trading only what you are able to afford on the event of losses. Most people never think about hitting stoploss and that is the reason they will get frustrated when stoploss is happening accidentally. Moreover it is not right to call it accident because we should expect hitting target and hitting stoploss at the same level of probability; hitting both must be having equal chances. Only people who are able to understand these facts could come out of the losses and start focusing on next trade.

Yes, only people who are able to quickly accept losses will get chances to recover it quicker than any other traders. It means thinking and worrying about losses will not help any trader but we should come out of it so that we can recover from another trade. This is the basic rule every trader must remember so that they can easily handle losses while trading.

If only everyone knew that the stop loss is more important than the target.

Yeah, always is the difference here when you are trading. Even the greatest traders make losses, you can be a hedge fund worth trillions of dollars and you could still make a loss time to time. Hell they make the biggest ones that destroy the economy most of the times and have financial crisis, so we all know that they do have losses.

However, when you are talking about losing money constantly, that is something different. I personally think the best way to move on from the losses is to figure out what you did wrong and not doing that. But if you have tried many methods and still losing money, maybe trading is just not for you? I don't know the cause of the loss in topic here so I can't say something, how you lost money and why you lost money will change how to handle it as well.

Whenever one loses 3-5 times in a row, it is time to re-evaluate yourself.


Even we research a lot, sometimes it is impossible for us to predict the loss, though we should consider it as a mistake made by us, the business itself, there are ups and downs we have to accept both these tasks and move forward. A positive attitude will always improve the standard, which we might not repeat the same mistake every time.


Trading is a numbers game. You have no idea when you win or lose. All you know is your win ratio which will keep you profitable after all.


I am recently trying the contract. Firstly, I use the stimulate functions on exchange. I open 2 orders at the same time, one for increased and one for decrease. When we have the sense from marketing place about the price, we can actually trade in the real market. As a sequence, it is hard to lose both sides.

By the way, when it is obverse to see the increase or decrease, I don't have to open for both sides. Hope this idea helps you.

Sounds like gambling to me  Grin

I find your strategy of coping with loss in trading very risky because you are not guaranteed to earn a profit and you are involving yourself with debt which could damage you financial and make things for you difficult, in my opinion, maybe coping with your loss is not enough, you can learn from them, study the charts on why you lost that trade, every mistake is an oppurtunity and I think loss is just a part of the journey, remember that every one has their days.

IMO, what matters is making sure your win ratio and R:R is good enough

Well, there's another rule (actually, two rules). It mostly refers to investing (if we consider it a different effort), and it is Warren Buffett's invention. So here are the rules:

Rule 1: Never lose money
Rule 2: Never forget rule 1

If we draw an analogy here, it is not so much about trading the money that you can afford to lose but rather not losing whatever money gets traded. If you follow these two simple rules, you can trade as much money as you want (more money means higher profits)

Probably this applies when your position is in profit  Grin



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June 05, 2020, 06:17:43 AM
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Trading business spends more than it receives during an accounting period, it has made a trading loss. You can set off trading losses against profit or capital gains in any of the ways discussed below & trade can claim terminal loss relief for losses generated in the final accounting period. Losses may be carried back up to three years and set off against total profits.
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June 04, 2020, 04:31:53 PM
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Most of all the losses caused me problems when I was emotionally attached to the result. Often this happened when I had little money and I used it for trading.
Obviously, I risked funds that I could not lose painlessly, I think this is the main key. Be prepared to lose what you risk.
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June 04, 2020, 04:18:16 PM
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That's great! Rule no. 1 in trading "trade the money you can afford to lose" you have to accept the fact that you may lose your money on trading

Well, there's another rule (actually, two rules). It mostly refers to investing (if we consider it a different effort), and it is Warren Buffett's invention. So here are the rules:

Rule 1: Never lose money
Rule 2: Never forget rule 1

If we draw an analogy here, it is not so much about trading the money that you can afford to lose but rather not losing whatever money gets traded. If you follow these two simple rules, you can trade as much money as you want (more money means higher profits)
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June 04, 2020, 01:27:38 PM
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Loss in any trade is inevitable we can only overcome it with a working strategy and a good money management in order to have an overall edge over the market, however a lot of newbies have the perception of getting rich quickly hence trade with a high risk.
Good fund management determines the quality of trading carried out. if the management of funds used for trading is well managed, then minimizing the risk and securing the profits. beginners who trade have different perceptions, but most of the common perceptions are to get rich by trading quickly. They do not know the risk of losing money will be very high, if you do not know the basic trading that is correct and safe.

until now I have maintained my trading quality and minimized the risk of losses that will occur. Loss and profit will definitely happen, just how we manage it.
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June 04, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
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Before I enter a trade I always ensures that the trade has a higher risk to reward reward atleast 1:2 while entering 2 % of my total portfolio if the trade goes against me I only have 2% off  thus handling the loss without any fear and emotion whereas if a trade goes in my favor I will always earn reasonable profit.
Loss in any trade is inevitable we can only overcome it with a working strategy and a good money management in order to have an overall edge over the market, however a lot of newbies have the perception of getting rich quickly hence trade with a high risk.
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June 04, 2020, 06:46:16 AM
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That is simple, just accept it, if you lose do not be sad, do not lose hope, just accept the fact that you have lost your money, but accepting is not enough, you to do something to give back the money you have lost. Learn from your mistakes, the good thing to do if you lost from trading is to learn ways and skills for good trading, there is no 100% win rate in trading, so do not think that if you acquire good skills on trading you will always win, it will only lessen the chance of losing. There are many tutorials on youtube where you can watch to be goodd trader.
I had set some rules before trading so I know how much I can loose it or have capacity. Also I have a stop loss always set so that even it triggers it is a limited loss . In trading , one always can’t make money and you will incur losses as well and should be ready for it .
That's great! Rule no. 1 in trading "trade the money you can afford to lose" you have to accept the fact that you may lose your money on trading.
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June 04, 2020, 05:38:40 AM
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Most individual investors do not have the wealth, the time, or the temperament to make money and to sustain the devastating losses that day trading can bring. Investor can lose large amounts of money in a stock market crash is by buying on margin. In this investment strategy, investors borrow money to make a profit. This strategy certainly works if the market goes up, but if the market crashes, the investor will be in a lot of trouble.
I find your strategy of coping with loss in trading very risky because you are not guaranteed to earn a profit and you are involving yourself with debt which could damage you financial and make things for you difficult, in my opinion, maybe coping with your loss is not enough, you can learn from them, study the charts on why you lost that trade, every mistake is an oppurtunity and I think loss is just a part of the journey, remember that every one has their days.
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June 04, 2020, 12:38:02 AM
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I am recently trying the contract. Firstly, I use the stimulate functions on exchange. I open 2 orders at the same time, one for increased and one for decrease. When we have the sense from marketing place about the price, we can actually trade in the real market. As a sequence, it is hard to lose both sides.

By the way, when it is obverse to see the increase or decrease, I don't have to open for both sides. Hope this idea helps you.
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June 03, 2020, 11:52:38 AM
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Most individual investors do not have the wealth, the time, or the temperament to make money and to sustain the devastating losses that day trading can bring. Investor can lose large amounts of money in a stock market crash is by buying on margin. In this investment strategy, investors borrow money to make a profit. This strategy certainly works if the market goes up, but if the market crashes, the investor will be in a lot of trouble.
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June 02, 2020, 05:23:24 PM
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The most recent thing that helped me has been watching something when I lose. I know it doesn't make sense to many people here, focus on something else. Learn from your mistakes obviously but focusing on something else does help people a lot. I do not really know how well I can actually do with these kinds of distractions but at least I am trying.

I also would suggest writing down the mistakes you have done, its a good notebook method where you just write what you did wrong and what you think was your mistake, of course knowing the mistake full on well is important, sometimes people don't know what the mistake was, but you can write your guess' there as well. That way when you are studying those notes, you can see what is common and what you should stay away from.
When im still noob at trading, i did really have this kind of notes and amazingly i do fill out lots of pages on writing up on my mistakes but you can eventually read em up again because there were things that you had committed in the past do probably help you out on what youve been doing in the recent day.Taking notes might sound old or isnt necessary but actually it did help me a lot even nowadays.
Handling losses will most likely talk about your emotions because this is one of the hardest things to control on when your mind and emotion collide which would really result into further loss
and made you regret and realize in the end that you've messed up badly.
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June 02, 2020, 05:16:46 PM
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Taking consecutive losses in trading has led to a lot of blown accounts.

Losses affects us psychologically and doesn't make us think logically.

Just wanna know how you get yourself back in right state of mind after taking a loss or better still, how do you handle losses?

Share your experiences and techniques, this will be helpful.  Smiley

for me, i follow the simplest route, admit to the mistakes made;
find out several possible solutions, figure out how to apply the solution, practice and perfect the trade strategy.

Learning from past mistakes helps alot in trading.
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June 02, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
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The most recent thing that helped me has been watching something when I lose. I know it doesn't make sense to many people here, focus on something else. Learn from your mistakes obviously but focusing on something else does help people a lot. I do not really know how well I can actually do with these kinds of distractions but at least I am trying.

I also would suggest writing down the mistakes you have done, its a good notebook method where you just write what you did wrong and what you think was your mistake, of course knowing the mistake full on well is important, sometimes people don't know what the mistake was, but you can write your guess' there as well. That way when you are studying those notes, you can see what is common and what you should stay away from.
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