Topic: How do you know if the account is sold or not after it was advertised for sale? - page 2. (Read 748 times)

I am not sure if I am getting your meaning correctly.

2014 - you advocate banning account sellers because you recognise the trust of established accounts could be used to scam others.

2016/17 - accounts become valuable so you decide to sell own legend account for a pathetic sum of 0.3btc ? so it can be used to scam others?

this is a defense ? or you are agreeing you should be at least tagged.


The net value of the contributions by you can not really be a valid consideration , because we don't know if you are the original owner.
Not that I see any net value to your contributions (if it is you) except pushing a proven scam for years and now protecting and supporting other scammers, liars and other greedy sneaky slobs. (that just happened to have been pushing that same scam)

I usually would never snitch people who stay clear of me (if they are not scammers). It feels gross snitching anyone., but since you and your goon pals were bullying other people and then came after me and tried to ruin my great account even considering my illustrious past here. Well, now you pulled the dragons tail. I will show you, nor your goon pals any mercy until the systems here no longer crush peoples free speech.

Fox pup giving you 5 cycled merits for this bunch of excuses is an example of this shady gangs tactics. All supporting each other and trying to get them out of trouble when they are busted for doing shit they want to use against others to keep the jack boot on the neck of free speech here. If it was "other people" there would be " I'm an impostor bingo excuses" game and every DT and their feltchers laughing at them. That vile vermin can be probably be observed giving merits to those deriding people offering such excuses for their bans.

The supporters of devious greedy and bullying scum are scum themselves.. Simple as that.  Change your ways else be cast down with them.

I had said many times previously that I thought you were not the same nutildah, long before I saw the account had been up for sale.

The best bit about this is the REFUSAL of the DT's to red flag this account sale advertising by their pal. Just another nail in their coffin and another thing to bitch slap them ALL around with. It gets easier and easier to dominate/deride them all just using their own observable foul deeds and double standards. Dirty Turds.

I basically OWN DT now.  Every DT here has some greedy financially motivated dirt on them, condone, supports and sanction those that do, too scared to speak up against observable wrongdoing, or employ observable double standards. Crushing them all is like a turkey shoot. I mean I can crush you openly based on observable events and you can just double down on your red paint claiming telling the truth is blackmailing them haha

The thing I love the most is that every time I tell them to bring me just 1 incorrect thing I have said that they can demonstrate is wrong......they bring NOTHING. They just run off.

The only thing you can do now is try to get me banned (real motive because I am telling the truth about you all, which will be evident when this is historically analysed)  and that will actually just provide my friends opportunity to join and crow about my great deeds and your foul deeds in even more strong terms without looking like an egomaniac.

or

You could start living by your own standards, remove your trust abuse (for anything on everyone that is not a scammer or strongly likely to scam) , and realise you will never get to crush free speech here for your own personal financial motives.

I seek ONLY a transparent and fair environment where every person is treated equally. Show me the post where I am not pushing for this since I came to meta. Oppose me and you oppose that which I seek. You will lose eventually but already you have been squashed into hiding away in self moderated, local rules echo chambers begging mods to delete truthful on-topic posts haha .... roaches scurrying for the darkness when the light is shone on your devious stinky asses.

I guess this marks the end of the thread. Just another one to bookmark under bitch slap those snitchy bitches.  

Disappointed in mikeywith here. This was your chance to demonstrate that you did not bend to these bunch of jackals.


this only applies to non gang goons I guess.

1. You can check either password changed or not from seclog or from BPIP.
2. You can check writing style either changed or not.
3. You can check social media profiles or any other contact info changed or not.
4. Bitcoin wallet or ethereum wallet changed or not.
5. Check post on local board either changed the local board or not.
6. The longtime gap from the selling post.
If any of these happen between sell and not sell post then the account might have been sold. Yet you can't tell 100% perfectly the account has been sold or not. If you can find multiple ways then most probably the account has been sold.

If nothing match or there is no doubtful activity then why we will run behind the account who is now operating the account. And for more info we all the bitcointalk community want to keep it scam free so if there is no suspicious activity on the account we do not need to run behind the account.

In theory, someone could deposit money into escrow, and agree to buy the account xx time in the future in order to hide the sale from onlookers, and the password, email, etc would stay the same until some agreed upon date in the future.

I do not subscribe to the underlying premise, however if one views selling your account as being sufficiently untrustworthy so that you are a scammer, then the attempt of selling your account would similarly make you an attempted scammer.

I feel like I should say something for the record that I can reference, as this issue will never go away.

CH: You're not exposing "double standards." There's no standard for how to tag an account put up for sale by its owner from 3 years ago. Has the situation ever happened before? If not, there's no standard. Also, I have already been tagged for it, albeit it was a neutral tag.

As has been pointed out by others in this thread, lengths that somebody would have to go to in order to complete this sale and avoid detection are extremely complicated and without a clear purpose. Its not some slow, long con that began bungled years ago, all so I could be here to do this. Obviously I didn't know what I was doing, was stupid about it, and had a change of heart. As the great Homer once said,


I began as an avid opponent of account selling, managed to rack up zero DT before my "incident," and zero since.


That's from a thread where I went off in a raging crusade about how account sellers should be not just red tagged but banned. After it was explained to me by hilariousandco and KWH (who were remarkably patient in retrospect) that wouldn't change anything, I sort of gave up caring at that point, that is until 2017 when crypto started to take off like a rocket and suddenly accounts on this forum were far more valuable than ever before.

And after being here long enough and witnessing the effects first hand, I can see the kind of deviousness that can be accomplished through buying an established account.

I would like to think the good I have contributed to the forum far outweighs the bad, but you know, this is a subjective measurement only determined by a greater consensus. For more dramatic fun and slamming on me personally, please visit my Reputation thread.

I disagree, not for any specific reason, but just for the sake of reminding you that DTs are allowed to disagree on things and since non-vixens aren't willing to give enough of a fuck to read your threads.

It's only 50 per month per user, same as non-sources. I'm not the only one doing the slathering, you know.

youtube.com/watch?v=Svstp1CWuF0

It is true because it looks unrealistic if someone used to post quality, proficient English posts changed to shitty, non-sense, one line, broken English.
It's definitely a good indicator.
You should add 'vice versa' in the end of this one.
The opposite case is hard to indicate that accounts changed hands, when posts changed from broken English to proficient English.
Because, people can improve their English skills significantly over time.
However, I still think that the opposite case can be one of componential indicator for hands-changed accounts.

Let's not create false equivalence here.

 Me breaking and fighting the biggest scam here ever on this board and fighting and winning a 2 BILLION dollar air drop for all those that were scammed is never going to be spun into a net negative action EVER.

The information posted was created in support of my own battle by a person who supported my actions and that shit was posted on the top of most dark coin battle threads.

Can you imagine banning the person who with some friends and supporters discovered, fought and pushed the scammers to offer a 2 000 000 000 USD airdrop getting a ban for this kind of trumped up shit on stuff that was posted multiple times on most dark coin threads on the OP. I would be the biggest martyr ever. This would be the most net negative action you could ever dream up. You can not bring this to compare with account selling and spin this into some net positive action for the board.  It highlights how low and disgusting most of this "gang" are.

You can not even build a case on net negative or net positive for account selling since they will not even be the same person if the account is sold to someone else. The comparison is ludicrous.

The persons pushing for this bullshit ban were those persons SUPPORTING the very same scam i was fighting back then.. LOL you can't make meta board up. They are scammers crying about some information posted that got their scam busted haha that was posted on the op of every scam thread that was created in support of me.

My friends would join this board and ensure that would not be forgotten. That is a promise. It makes little odds to me anyway since they painted this red and got it sanctioned by all the weak disgusting turds that frequent meta. I will be glad to advise them on how to tackle this issue when they join just another huge bitch slap to all these self serving idiots.

Stop sucking up to these fucking dirt bags because you only make yourself look dirty. Get painting that account seller red because if you do not then you will be unable to pain any account seller who is advertising his account red without looking like total weasel making up some excuses. Also do I complain about copy and paste??? NO i was protecting people from this weaponised weasel bullshit long before they started digging through my great past looking for some excuse to shut me up. These are scammers from the start I know some of them from before you came here. Lying and scamming from the outset.

Back on topic nice try to try and mention something you feel is net negative but is obviously net positive in a way that crushes everything these DT will ever attain here. Let me know when they get $ 2 000 000 000 usd offered to victims of scams here. LOL the only thing they are interested in is making money for themselves because they are losers and still have no fortune after all of the scam attempts and gaming the system. This is what happens when you are a bunch of imbeciles trying to scam.


People advertising their accounts for sale either need red trust or not. I don't care either way but it should be the same for all. There are no degrees of net positive net negative for the board since it will be a new person anyway so his net value is unknown... this is selling their account for money to keep for themselves (not that this is essentially wrong). This is not a fucking PERM ban is it??this is just a red tag anyway so again the false equivalence is quite insane.

I feel you are trying to appear honest when actually you will support these scum sucking pigs whatever they do. I mean you told me that you are gay and brown (not that it means anything to me I demand fairness only from people and these types of considerations are of no importance to me here) . Then you spin the pharmacist aka Huge Black Womans racist trolling sig spamming under a puppet account into a positive thing for the board because you said you find it funny that a straight white guy is spouting this stuff all over the place. Yeah because that racist shit would be hilarious to most brown gay people. I remember some here were NOT giving it the net positive reward you wanted to spin on it. They were brown and outraged by it. Didn't seem that net positive for them? there is only so far you can protect a group of financially motivated scum before appearing scum yourself.

Your nonsense is clearly just that. Stop sucking up and protecting these dirt bags. They are net negative and so will you be if you continue making up any crap excuses to support them.  

I am glad all of this is being documented in history because in the future those that become students of the first days of crypto will be able to analyse this in detail and notice what a bunch of slime bags nearly took over this board, and those that stood up against them and those that supported them. Make sure you are on the right side because if btc takes off big time this boards entire history will come under scrutiny  for many generations in the future and may never be forgotten.  

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Also not to go off topic too much but you get 500 merits per month to give out? wtf is this bullshit. I wonder how many that vile little vixen fox poop gets to slather all over Huge Black Woman and suchmoon each month. I heard merit sources cyclers only get 2 or 3 per day. No wonder these nothing burger word salad spewing fools with observably low capacity for reason and logic have 1000s of merits. Parasitic vermin.
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anyway time for my tennis, then massage, I have a bad hand  and typing all this is not making it any better.

I'm going to drastically reduce my posting from now on. I have tried to help this board expel these scammers infesting the systems of control but I will not spend more than 15 mins per day on here from now on. Except on special occasions. I feel it will all collapse into chaos eventually anyway. Selfish greedy people can only collude successfully for so long. I almost feel by creating a common enemy (my good self) that I am indeed helping them hold it together. It may be time for a change of tactics. 

I have already mentioned in previous posts that I take into consideration whether the account sale is overt or covert. Nutidah's case is clearly overt. I thought that I was pretty clear that I find covert sales unsavory and shady. I will continue to tag people doing it on the down low. Also, I had mentioned that I consider how "fresh" the particular case happens to be. In the Nutidah case, it already over 3 years old. I'm not going to make it a habit to sift through old garbage looking for posts to report and people to tag. Don't you remember when someone tried to get you banned for a copy paste mistake made years ago for no perceivable financial motive? I clearly recall stating this wasn't going to pass mustard, and here you are, still posting away.

Perhaps other people have the time to go looking for skeletons in the closet. However, I'm not going to bother myself.

This simply means that ALL account sellers advertising can only be given red trust if the accounts password changes before it is announced that the account is no longer for sale.  Fair enough if you say so.  Plus I guess that time is open ended since it took him about a year to decide it was not for sale.

That is a new precedent and I see no disagreement from DT's in this thread so far that seem to have vanished. Perhaps I will call for their view on this one by one.

I mean perhaps that is a sensible approach but it must be the SAME for everyone here not just "pals".

It goes against what mikey and pharmacist have said..... but perhaps they now changed their minds now that it is meta club pal?

Password change is a requirement of red trust? or not?

I mean if you are selling the btc account with it then perhaps it is not as important as you think?
Or perhaps there are other ways around this.

Did you check if this account had any password/email changes at all?

Seems a lot of account advertisers will have to be untagged or proof of password change will be required.

You will do your best to counter tags of red on account "advertisers" when there is no password change. That's good I will create a thread and send all those tagged your way for you to balance their red as best you can.

Let's not make this about one person anyway this is a discussion of DT's opinion on account sellers/advertisers. Not just one account seller/advertiser nutildah.

Since when was I appointed the supreme DT member?  Just because I gave my rationale doesn't mean all other DT members must abide by it like it's some kind of decree. 

New Precedent has been Set.

So there you have it folks. One DT has told you how it goes. Let's hear them all parrot the same excuses for not giving red to their pals.

You can advertise your account for sale, You can sell your account, just tell the new owner to post that they will not be selling the account now and not to change the password during that interim. How reliable is this " he didn't change the password" ? not that I see that as a guarantee it was not sold at all really.  ALSO if you are selling the account with the btc account then password change is not essentially required to ensure the new owner keeps the account. There could be other ways around this too.

So this now sets a precedent that advertising your account for sale or other accounts for sale means you will NOT get a red tag so long as in future you stick to the guide above.

I wonder if that account DID change it's password at any time or the email linked with it.

I will be watching from now on. I will notice if ANY DT flags anyone offering to sell an account.  That will be double standards right there.

I suspect if this person was not a DT fluffer and merit cycler he would have had a red tag right there and then for this already.

Wonder where HBW and the others vanished to when I mentioned it was a legend account and DT fluffer/merit cycler gang member. I wonder what excuses they will find not to give the red paint. Amazing what you can get away with if you're in the right circle or cycle.

"didn't know what they were doing"

Also note the dates

03-10-2016, 22:59:48

23-07-2017, 20:25:34

A bit slow on the uptake I guess. So account sellers you can be advertising for ages too before you decide "not to sell" NO red paint coming your way from DT's you heard it hear first.


This has now nulled mikeywith DT's post


this is no longer possible bones just told you it must also now have a password change

same goes for The pharmacist he can no longer do this if he does not flag nutildahs.

This will be clear double standards for "pals" and others if they do.

When you view that particular thread, I think a respondent stated it all:


It is clear that this individual didn't know what they were doing and likely made the account unsaleable.
I also checked the archived secolgs between the initial post and the sale retraction post. There is no evidence of the password being changed in that time period.(I would think someone who acquired an account would at least do that, even if they got the e-mail and staked address. Why would someone leave the password the same after purchasing it, unless they want to get the account stolen back from them?) It appears that the case you are referring to is a no harm/no foul. I'm not going to tag it. Perhaps if it was a fresh posting, I may have decided to tag it.

Now to be clear that we are on the same page,  the example being referred to happens to be nutildah, correct? If you have another account in mind, I suppose that I can research that for you too.  

Some topics REQUIRE a long post. Also this vitriol is nothing more than being honest. I will not dress up my posts as praise or even being pleasant when I am totally annoyed at the abusers/abuse I am addressing. As I have said to you and anyone else show me the posts I have made that you can demonstrate are incorrect. I present only observable events and facts. People will use any excuse to ignore a truth they don't wish to be universally accepted as true.

Also I find it insulting you are meriting false accusations and observably nonsense riddled vitriol about me. So don't try to act as if I am criticizing you for no reason. What if I merit posts saying your contributions are walls of false information and nonsense.  Try to look at things the other way around.

Anyway to get back on topic now...

Well, when you are talking to me in the 1st person and say 'they' I do not know if you mean I should show you who I am referring to. I just wanted clarity on what you were asking for. I was not sure if you were referring to the person advertising the account for sale.

@mikey I am not accusing you of double standards. I have not been that critical of you at all so far. Sure I may have had the odd jab when I think you are pulling a faux rebuttal on me but then I have just passed that off as perhaps inexperience thus far. Others are deliberately abusing the systems of control for their own ends those I will call out at every chance.

I say people must live by the standards they advocate for others simple as that.  


If not, then I say any persons advertising accounts sales from now on can not get red paint if the advertised account says no longer for sale nearly a year later.

Thanks to the little bird who delivered this info to me. All these abusers and their pals will be taken down eventually. No double standards DT's must remain.

I'm not sure if I should list the account sale thread here because it will then see this thread spirited away to REP.

Suchmoon already knows about it hence why she tried to derail this thread from the start. Hence why likely TP just got a PM from suchmoon and that vanished too. This is one of their own pals and newly initiated DT fluffer.

I just wanted to see what you all said about it.  

This is not just about one person anyway this is a general precedent that I wanted to establish first. If someone advertised an account for sale then months later a message saying it was no longer for sale appeared --then does that get them off the hook or not or do they still get flagged?

If a DT really wants to know who this sold legend account or even DT member is then just ask me to create rep thread and I will post the SALE thread url for them to witness.

It would be easier if you do so, I hope that you are not planning to collect answers before you highlight a specific incident and then accuse everyone for having double standards if they happen to disagree with that particulate case.

you see DT or not, I believe in case by case bases , look at this example > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49950522

As someone who doesn't put you on ignore, I can attest to what I perceive as TLDR posts full of a bunch of vitriol and repetition.  What's it to you that I handed out 1 measly merit to that post when I have 500 of these to give out a month?


If we know the account in question is sold, we know that anything posted prior to the sale is not their post history. We also know any trust comments earned is not their rightful trust comments. When the deal is done under shroud of darkness, we have no idea what is going on. This is why I am tagging account brokers. They are perpetrating a trade in false reputation on the down low and it's shady.


I should have just ignored you like is recommended in the other thread. Now that I have engaged you, I get the joy of being called feeble minded and sneaky. Engaging with you is about as pleasurable as getting a kick straight in the groin. Did it ever occur to you that people abandon their debates with you because they don't appreciated getting insulted?

I agree, but some people are clearly stupid and are desperate for money. Perhaps they even feel they are above getting red tagged for trying to sell their accounts here.

I'm glad to hear that you believe regardless of who offers their account for sale it will be tagged red even if they are DT or a known DT felcher.

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I notice you are now giving merit to people proliferating willfully false information now.

stompix claims "You can't reason with him simply because he doesn't want to reason!!!
He's ruining every damn thread with his whining and false accusation just to attract some of the people here so he can whine more and accuse more, it's a fword never ending a story with him."

amongst other provably false crap and you merit it? are you out of your feeble mind?

Tell him to create a thread listing the false accusations, and present them. Tell him to include the "wall of text that has no meaning" and I will break it down for consumption for the dumbos here.

If not then he is spreading lies and I will start calling him out on it daily until he admits he is talking shit.

Same challenge I give to anyone in meta - bring the the parts of my posts that you can demonstrate are incorrect and present them. That's right none of you can can you? because I am only posting observable events and facts.
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Anyway back on topic here with bones again.

What do you mean "It would actually be a whole lot easier if they just came out in the open with all the details. At least everyone would have a heads up on what account is in question."

I will still engage you even though I start to consider you very sneaky lately even though I had previously considered you more genuine than the other clear abusers here.

This thread has one purpose to ensure no double standards from DT goes unanswered. The more I note double standards the more I will highlight them.

We can never know for sure. However, someone has been nice and have been archiving the seclogs. So if you want to sift through them, you can see if a password and/or email was changed.

http://archive.vn/https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php



Most account sellers offer the account for sale under a different account and don't divulge the details of the account on the open forum. They usually complete the deal offsite under shroud of darkness. It would actually be a whole lot easier if they just came out in the open with all the details. At least everyone would have a heads up on what account is in question.

 There is no way to know for sure, unless a different writing style, new language is spoken or good english gone bad, but all of these are not 100% solid proofs. However the answer to this question is not very important because ,

In most cases account sellers do not publicly post the account they want to sell, they will use an alt to advertise it, then the negotioans will be done outside of the forum.

One need to be pro-stupid to advertise his account using his account, it will be tagged instantly and nobody would want to buy it.

Yes and I guess even a determined scammer setting up a super heist could mimic to some extent any spellings or regular mistakes that were unusual.

I guess really all account sellers have to do is -- list accounts for sale then request the purchasers of those accounts just announce they are no longer selling and they can avoid red trust. Win win hey?


I notice this seems to be the DT's current way of operating. I am not in agreement with it really I think there should be a separate notice for bought/sold accounts because these are not essentially all for scamming with. However I surely recognise that people should know this is NOT the original account holder for obvious reasons.

However, if DT are operating like this currently then they must do it for ALL accounts that list themselves for sale.

@etfbitcoin

I have not seen these considerations given much credence by DT's it seems to be you offer accounts for sale = tag.

I think the account should probably be painted red regardless of if it’s sold or not in the time it’s supposedly for sale.

If somebody is actively selling their account - paint it red. So many scams are done with somewhat respected/high ranked bought accounts

It’s good practise to protect the community from potential scams/scammers so I support DT Members to be pro-active to potential scams/scammers rather than reactive if you know what I mean.

Most account sales are done by an alt but the above is what I advise is the best action.

Thanks.