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Everybody:   Print your wallet....  

Miners:  It is your honorable duty to protect the blockchain.

If anyone gets into this wallet within a week.. they may have the contents.  It's a lousy password.  I'll keep my eye on it to see if anyone claims the booty.  I'll post the password after the EMP blast passes.  So you can try printing it, scanning it in, or converting it...

There is at least 1BTC in there... if anyone else want to "Up the Ante" the address is 1FuP3q8EUp64ufmJouUu8g8wc6coxXLZUM

The image above was created with "PaperBak" or "PaperBack"...  http://www.ollydbg.de/Paperbak/

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Use the could Luke (after two rounds of AES-256, of course)
Double encryption is barely useful. Read about the meet in the middle attack.

I think that's a misstatement; I'm fairly certain that AES works well as a composite function (with non-related keys), altho' I would personally use a second cipher for the second round. Even in the case of the 3DES MITM style attack, 3DES remained more resilient then just DES, just not 3x as effective.

For znort987, I recommend a chain of multiple ciphers for composite encryption, and unrelated random keys.
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Simple solution...a computer made from vacuum tubes and relays...lol.  Since the EMP just burns out the P-N junction of the semiconductor vacuum tubes are not at risk.

It might be a heavy, hot and inefficient "thumb" drive but EMP's won't be an issue.

Seriously though, I agree with other posters...if you are in the range of an EMP you are probably at risk from a lot more than just your bitcoin being lost.
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Are flashdrives really safe from an EMP?


And btw, does a faraday cage still protects a computer if it's plugged on the wall and on the Internet (if not using fiber to get the 'net inside the cage) ?

1. no, an EMP of sufficient power would induce a current in the circuitry and trash the thing.

2. maybe.  an EMP would result in a massive electrical surge.  the computer would be unaffected (beyond the effects of losing power suddenly) if there is sufficient surge suppression capability between the wall and the computer.
A Faraday Cage only protects in the case of low frequency E.M. waves. An EMP has such a fast rising time that it causes eddy currents in the wires of the Cage, driving the currents in the wires to the outside perimeter, increasing the effective resistance to such an amount that compensation of the fields is no more apparent, hence the EMP field will penetrate the Faraday Cage and still damage the equipment inside.
So what one needs is a massive metal enclosure, not a cage, and preferably made of gold, silver or copper, in decreasing order of preferability.
Then the thickness should be such that the surface penetration of the EMP is low enough at the inner side of the enclosure to prevent any damage to be done.
If one knows the characteristics of an EMP (I'm too lazy to look it up for now), such an enclosure can easily be designed.
However, it won't look like a Faraday Cage.
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Quite honestly, if an EMP hits i'd be far more concerned about a whole bunch of survival issues before any currency.

Is this something people are that paranoid about?
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you assume a EMP wouldn't cause electrical fires and reduce your punched card to ashes.

you're going to need a fireproof safe or something.
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Btw, is the effect of a solar flare more like an EMP or more like a massive microwave gun?

both really.

on the ground level, EMP.  a large solar flare will release a burst of energetic particles, which will create a geomagnetic storm when they hit the earth's magnetic field, which will induce a current in electrical circuits

at high altitudes, and in orbit, it's a blast of X rays which can also wreck things.

however, the effect of a solar flare is too weak to meaningfully effect typical electronics.  you need very long circuits (like power lines or phone lines) to induce a meaningful current.  worst case is a widespread power surge and outage, like what happened in 1989 (massive blackout in ontario), 1921, and 1859 (wrecked havoc on the north american telegraph system).

an EMP bomb would be much closer and induce a much larger current, and thus would be able to wreck much smaller circuits.
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Firstbits.com/1fg4i :)
Btw, is the effect of a solar flare more like an EMP or more like a massive microwave gun?
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Are flashdrives really safe from an EMP?


And btw, does a faraday cage still protects a computer if it's plugged on the wall and on the Internet (if not using fiber to get the 'net inside the cage) ?

1. no, an EMP of sufficient power would induce a current in the circuitry and trash the thing.

2. maybe.  an EMP would result in a massive electrical surge.  the computer would be unaffected (beyond the effects of losing power suddenly) if there is sufficient surge suppression capability between the wall and the computer.
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Use the could Luke (after two rounds of AES-256, of course)

Double encryption is barely useful. Read about the meet in the middle attack.
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If an EMP hits where I live, I wont give two shits about bitcoins.  I'll be more concerned about the functioning of my firearms.  Thankfully they are mechanical.  I'll just hunt my own food.   Grin
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While thinking about the possible attacks against bitcoin holdings the threat of Electro-Magnetic Pulses popped up. So my questions are:

1. How susceptible are bitcoin holdings to Electro-Magnetic Pulses (whether they be highly targeted or a more generalized attack)?

Depends on your setup. For myself, limited to none, but a large scale EMP attack would cause issues for a large segment of commerce regardless of currency. The most effective non-nuclear EMP attack delivery method is cluster packages of fully operational electromagnets and c4 detonators to collapse the field. Most missile systems don't have the power required to keep the magnets at full field strength before the implosion of the field, so only really large and slow planes would be able to deliver payload like this, and that shit get's shot down quick, especially considering that most anti-aircraft gear is EMP hardened.

Unshielded optical routers and cellular towers would probably be the primary target of such an attack vector, and then who knows, people might have to remember how electromagnetics and the internet work again. Might be a net positive from a recovery standpoint.

2. What are some of the possible defenses?

There are lots of published military manuals on building EMP protected shelters, if you're getting paranoid.
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How can I print out my wallet.dat to paper, in letters/numbers, and then how can I make it back into a usable wallet.dat file?

Use PaperBak. There's a thread on it here somewhere. Print it, then scan it when you need the file back
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In the event of an EMP you probably have much larger problems than worrying about your digital cash Smiley
Exactly.
Bitcoins should only be a part of your investment portfolio.
Other parts should consist of cash, silver, gold. Amongst others.
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While thinking about the possible attacks against bitcoin holdings the threat of Electro-Magnetic Pulses popped up. So my questions are:

1. How susceptible are bitcoin holdings to Electro-Magnetic Pulses (whether they be highly targeted or a more generalized attack)?

and

2. What are some of the possible defenses?

Thanks,
Trader Steve

In the event of an EMP you probably have much larger problems than worrying about your digital cash Smiley
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While thinking about the possible attacks against bitcoin holdings the threat of Electro-Magnetic Pulses popped up. So my questions are:

1. How susceptible are bitcoin holdings to Electro-Magnetic Pulses (whether they be highly targeted or a more generalized attack)?

and

2. What are some of the possible defenses?

Thanks,
Trader Steve

Uncouple the Heisenberg Compensators!
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How can I print out my wallet.dat to paper, in letters/numbers, and then how can I make it back into a usable wallet.dat file?
i think that you will find answers here. http://www.casascius.com/

CD/DVD backup.  Make one.  That's about the only storage medium I can think of that would survive EMP.  Even a flashdrive would be toast - it doesn't have to be connected to the grid (or anything) with an EMP blast.
+1
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How can I print out my wallet.dat to paper, in letters/numbers, and then how can I make it back into a usable wallet.dat file?
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CD/DVD backup.  Make one.  That's about the only storage medium I can think of that would survive EMP.  Even a flashdrive would be toast - it doesn't have to be connected to the grid (or anything) with an EMP blast.

+1 Optical storage is EMP reistant.
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