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Quote from: decodx on August 18, 2022, 05:45:10 PM

But are these types of games really gambling, or actually skill-based?

It's gambling if you don know the trick or you don't have a technique and its skill-based if you know how what and how to claw
check out this video and see how good this guy is getting out those dolls in the cage
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What I mean is, imagine playing this game day after day, I bet you'd be pretty good at it after a while. That means the game is skill-based, right? Of course, luck still plays a big role, but isn't that true of all skill-based games?

Yeah, practice makes perfect but it's better to start with a good technique and look at what dolls are ripe for picking based on their position, I don't consider this gambling if you study how these things work.

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I've played it and I saw people lose a lot of money on these because you can be 100% on point and the toy would still slip from the claw. I saw things slip out when it was already up.
Some machines are rigged so that they go up faster and more violently to shake the claw a bit more and drop everything that isn't holding strong.
There are also machines where you can get a phone or other gadgets like watches.

They used to be very popular at seaside resorts, but now I rarely see them.

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Quote from: WeedGoW on August 18, 2022, 02:19:17 PM

Very popular in Japan among other machines like gacha capsule, slot as Japanese consider them the norm even though they have a gambling element. If you think those UFO catchers only require skill, don't! There is pressure randomness on that grabber to make the game even more unpredictable if the reward in the UFO catchers was at a high value. TBH, I rather gamble where odds are more transparent like sports betting than try my luck with the UFO Catcher.

I saw videos on youtube of a guy who tries to perfect his skill with these machines and he definitely had some better runs than most other people. Maybe a 30% success rate? I don't really remember. Anyway, he was able to clean the machines and give toys away to children who were watching the whole operation. I don't think it's worth it though. These toys are usually cheap, Chinese-made ones and you'd have to be successful on your first try to make it worth the risk.

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Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

This kind of game can indirectly teach children about gambling because they buy coins with a certain amount of money to play in certain games. If they can't win, they lose the coins and have to use another coin if they want to play.

If you go strictly by the definition of gambling, then no not really since these types of machines use other types of tokens to be able to play and you're technically not getting money back but rather items. Not to mention claw machines aren't strictly luck-based games.

I wouldn't really consider this as them learning of addiction or considering this as gambling, rather this kind of thing actually gives off an entertainment vibe instead due to the prizes that you'd be able to receive or redeem. It's pretty far from it to be honest. If I were to be completely blunt though, it's just business. If this was considered gambling, a LOT of businesses would be considered as one imo.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on August 18, 2022, 07:06:33 PM

Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

What's your thought? Have you ever played this kind of game?

I think UFO catcher is just a game that enables us to enhance our imagination, calculation,, and coordination. I have tried this game and it really needs the skill to win on this one. I can barely consider it gambling because it can be easily beaten if a person is skilled enough to operate the machine and catch a doll in every drop of coins they inserted. We can say it is under the wagering category but not all wagering can be considered as gambling.

Doesnt really need that enhancement or calculation or coordination because you arent using up those things because you are just trying to point out that claw on using a knob then you would really be pressing that
button for that claw to pull the stuff.Yes, angle might matter but it would be totally in random since you cant really able to place it out on the right position for you to pull off something.
Its not a gambling but if you are really that ending up on spending that much just because you are dedicated to get some reward then you are molding that kind of behavior of a
gambler.

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Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

What's your thought? Have you ever played this kind of game?

I think UFO catcher is just a game that enables us to enhance our imagination, calculation,, and coordination. I have tried this game and it really needs the skill to win on this one. I can barely consider it gambling because it can be easily beaten if a person is skilled enough to operate the machine and catch a doll in every drop of coins they inserted. We can say it is under the wagering category but not all wagering can be considered as gambling.

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Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

This kind of game can indirectly teach children about gambling because they buy coins with a certain amount of money to play in certain games. If they can't win, they lose the coins and have to use another coin if they want to play.

In some countries, such games are prohibited because games can be equal to gambling, leading to addiction in children.

What's your thought? Have you ever played this kind of game?

I played this kind of game before but was not able to catch any dolls in my first 5 attempts but my niece can easily catch one, I don't look at it like that, its more of a challenge to me because it involves skills right timing and positioning, it's not based luck once you learn the skill and knows what dolls are in the right position you could get him out, children are good at this because of their eagerness to get a doll, but for us adult it's a big obstacle.

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Quote from: decodx on August 18, 2022, 05:45:10 PM

But are these types of games really gambling, or actually skill-based?
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^Everything that has a prize pool could be gambling, it belongs to gambling but not literally gambling.
It is fun for the children but if those children frequently buy coins and chase for the doll that they will get, it turns out into an addictive game.
That could be triggered their ability to gamble, at an early stage we should teach them to put a limit on themselves and not to continue if they don't have enough funds. Because they are children, the prize is also good for them and it is very tempted to chase the prize.

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This might be a form of gambling but for the Children, this is their way of having fun.
In my country, you can see a lot of arcades in the malls and this has been the activity not just for the kids but also fort the teenager who wants to have fun. This has become a family bonding every weekend in my country. I played that UFO catcher and that’s really a hard game to catch the prize, we should not be focus on the gambling side and just have fun playing the games.

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But are these types of games really gambling, or actually skill-based?

What I mean is, imagine playing this game day after day, I bet you'd be pretty good at it after a while. That means the game is skill-based, right? Of course, luck still plays a big role, but isn't that true of all skill-based games?

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Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

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What's your thought? Have you ever played this kind of game?

I don't know! Sometimes I don't deny that anyone user can are out of that On-Topic/Board route, we all go through it at some point, but what does this game have to do with what we tried to do in the discussion about betting here at gambling.

I remember a long time ago someone posted something about some bets of spiders, it involved even minors were involved, it was something bizarre.

I never thought that someone could come and try to make a topic of one of the traditional games for adults and children that perhaps exist anywhere in the world and that after so many years since its creation, it is only putting money and knowing what to get an object/thing from game, that's like winning the lottery, haha.

Please if this topic reaches page 5, surely close it. Ty.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 18, 2022, 11:45:19 AM

There are tons of claw machines (UFO Catcher) in the Philippines. They are easily accessible in arcade places which are visited generally by kids and young adults which can be found on almost every mall. Unfortunately, the game is somehow rigged in a way that the claw is slippery and the spring of the claw is quite impactful. T

I tried playing this several times and I never won a prize. There were also times where I would get the doll but as soon as the claw pulls its string back, the impact would cause the doll to fall. This somehow gives me the false impression that I have to try and try again to win the prize.

Its business!

It would be understandable that they would really be that not easy to pull off those dolls considering that the token price to be put up on a slot is cents in equivalent i believe or very cheap.

So it would be common sense that it would be a tough one but not impossible since there are people who do able to manage on getting those dolls despite of those claws on being soft
and the clamping power isnt really that strong or tight.

So play for fun and not trying out to spend up which would be possibly be more than on the prize that you are aiming for.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 18, 2022, 05:03:52 PM

children have no idea about the things they do and that's why they hardly get addicted to gambling, because they have many other things to play, for children games are just fun, they don't have goals like: "I have 10$ so I have to play to get 100$". Children don't have this mindset, that's why they don't get addicted as easily as adults or young people.

Well that's very true. They don't have any idea that when they do play that game is that they are risking something just to get something and which in this case is they risk rheir money to get the doll. Once they know about it then they'll surely do it again by risking what they have. In my country, age starting from 6 or 7 are already betting against another at the same age or not. I myself was also like that when I was 8 years old and at that time I did experienced where we came to an agreement that we bet our money on which one will win and I did won several times. Anyway, if you compare the total amount of money involved that time versus the total amount of money that a gambler spend on a casino is nothing close but because of that it experience before, I started gambling before I stopped.

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Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

In some countries, such games are prohibited because games can be equal to gambling, leading to addiction in children.

I confess that I cannot understand how this game could lead children to become addicted when it is a game in which children can only play if their parents have time to take them to the place (which most of the time always is a place very far from people's homes) and children can play, and we also have to take into account that most parents work a lot, so they don't have much time to go for walks with their children and take them to these places. that has these games, so how would kids become addicted to these kind of games if they can't even play constantly, maybe it can even go 1, 2 or more than 3 months without them even playing it

Quote from: jcojci on August 18, 2022, 11:19:10 AM

What's your thought? Have you ever played this kind of game?

unfortunately i have never played it, and it is definitely something i would play if i had the opportunity, but here in my country it is very far from where i live and i don't have time to leave the house and go play it, one day i will play it

Quote from: nakamura12 on August 18, 2022, 02:50:50 PM

If a child is exposed to many things like that then i am sure sooner or later that child will get into gambling since the child wanted to spend some money just to get what he desired that he saw on the machine. Gambling is similar to that where you have to risk your money to earn big bucks. Just educate the child that being a gambler is not a good way to earn money and how it will affect your life not just in financial but also emotional.

children have no idea about the things they do and that's why they hardly get addicted to gambling, because they have many other things to play, for children games are just fun, they don't have goals like: "I have 10$ so I have to play to get 100$". Children don't have this mindset, that's why they don't get addicted as easily as adults or young people.

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 18, 2022, 12:04:20 PM

Yes, it seems to me that catching and delivering a prize for this kind of machines is not an easy task due to the capture settings and movements of the manipulator, no matter how much I tried, I never managed to catch anything, the manipulator is too fast, and the capture is very sensitive.
As for getting used to devices of this type in children, to be honest, I have never seen them have any queue of children, it seems to me even children understand that this is a waste of time.

You have a point because the UFO catcher is a tricky game and winning something big when playing it depends on the fair setting used by the owner, the player's composure, and luck. However, this is another form of gambling, and the player also needs to keep his/her buzz in check to avoid addiction.
In the meantime, the fun in it is worth trying the game.

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Kids wouldn't mind spending real money to play these sort of game because they already think tokens they were using isn't the real money. Its sort of the play money already or chips in casino.

I never look at it that way until you pointed it out. Spending those coins to win a stuffed toy sounds like a gamble in a away. I have some nephews who could also catch those toys not just this UFO catcher. Made me gave some coins for them to divert attention so we could catch up with their dad.

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If a child is exposed to many things like that then i am sure sooner or later that child will get into gambling since the child wanted to spend some money just to get what he desired that he saw on the machine. Gambling is similar to that where you have to risk your money to earn big bucks. Just educate the child that being a gambler is not a good way to earn money and how it will affect your life not just in financial but also emotional.

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Yes I saw this game machine a few months ago booming around where I live, they are on the terraces of every grocery store. In the end, the city government issued a ban on the installation of claw machines because it was included in the category of gambling that was not suitable for children to play.

Quote from: panjul07 on August 18, 2022, 02:09:57 PM

Seriously? Can you give a valid information about countries that ban this kind of game?

Malaysia's Ministry of Religion has banned this game since 2019. Although it is not an absolute ban, as long as the majority of Malaysia's population is Muslim, the rule will be an orientation.

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A few years ago I was introduced to this type of game. I came across this machine at a resort when I was traveling with my wife. I played a few rounds but didn't make much profit. At one point this game drove me crazy because I'm a very impatient person. I think this game is perfect for patient people and can also be played in gambling queues.

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Yes, i played several times on those machines when I was younger, there are not very common here in my country but it is possible to find them in Arcade stores. I never won anything on those machines, to be honest which made me feel a bit disappointed even tho my father warned me that he considered those machines to be basically an "scam". I don't regret tohave played on them whatsoever it was part of my chilhood.

i assume UFO Catchers will eventually disappear around here, since children now prefer to stay home and play videogames over going out to arcades.

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