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Quote from: HelliumZ on July 28, 2024, 06:16:15 PM

Different people have different types of entertainment but earning money from entertainment is also different. Some spend their time in casinos and gambling sites to earn money as well as entertainment while others spend their time climbing mountains for entertainment. Others seek entertainment by sitting at home reading funny books while others want to travel with their girlfriends on a long drive. Just as there is no shortage of people in the world, there is no end to the variety of human entertainment. But entertainment means entertainment to find a little relief in a weary life.

When I hear people say they go to casino to have fun, I see that as a laughable statement and not take them serious because if they really want to have fun, it wouldn't be a place like casino. Though, when physical casino were very popular back then, people go there and chat to play games which is really fun to even watch people playing, there is more of them around Asia axis but you see online casino, it will be delusional for anyone to think online casino is fun.

Money is what motivate everyone in gambling, if the casino primary aim is to make people lose money to them, then your objectives and aim should be making that money from them, not going their to play. They would have charge you for using th casino to have fun but you are gambling there instead and you should be able to win money from them.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on June 02, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

In the topic of gambling, I often see the word "entertainment". Nevertheless, each user means some meaning by this. Many people believe that entertainment is the main driving force of any gambling. And many even believe that entertainment is a much more physiological need than, for example, a desire to get rich. If you initially set yourself the goal only to have fun, and limit the amount that you are ready to take a chance, then you play for the sake of entertainment, and not because of the thirst for profit. You risk less. But if you ask you what entertainment is for you, then this question will be at a dead end. They do not know what entertainment is. Wikipedia writes that this is activity for pleasure.
But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

my own understanding of gambling I don't believe that entertainment is a driving force of gambling but I quite know that the reasons why people involve themselves in gambling is because of those make a quick money but many people will not say it to the understanding of people and they also the reasons why people involving gambling, so whoever that says, that gambling is all about entertainment I think that person is saying a negative thing to the society so it is very clear to everyone that the reason why people involve themselves in gambling and why gambling is having a much traffic today is because people especially young use needed a quick money

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Quote from: HelliumZ on July 28, 2024, 06:16:15 PM

Different people have different types of entertainment but earning money from entertainment is also different. Some spend their time in casinos and gambling sites to earn money as well as entertainment while others spend their time climbing mountains for entertainment. Others seek entertainment by sitting at home reading funny books while others want to travel with their girlfriends on a long drive. Just as there is no shortage of people in the world, there is no end to the variety of human entertainment. But entertainment means entertainment to find a little relief in a weary life.

What each one of us finds entertaining differs based on our personalities, and I have no doubts there are people that do not understand how gambling can be fun at all, as it is an activity that is highly repetitive, still there is no denying that gambling for fun is a real thing, as it is obvious the people here on the forum understand very well they have no chance to make profits with gambling, and they still decide to spend some money this way as a way to relieve some stress and get some fun they may not get any other way.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 29, 2024, 12:55:16 PM

But the truth is that I just developed this mindset that I am gambling for fun😊, but inside me I know I am not.

How about you just STF up and relax? This write-up ain't making no sense at all .. you don't gamble for fun? That's absolutely no one's business.. Why y'all repeating the same cookie-cutter post everytime?

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 21, 2024, 07:34:03 PM

I hardly believe that gambling has an entertainment side without a doubt. Is a good way to have a good time.

One of the most honest answers I've seen in a while... You could have as much fun as you wish, but you gotta pay for it... I don't even think there's a possibility that a person living in affluence would wager a dime, without anticipation.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on June 02, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

The last part of your post settles everything.... It has never made sense to me that people say they only gamble to have fun. There's a lot of things you can do for fun; if you wanna have fun, hit the gym. You wanna have fun, pick up swimming lessons etc... you don't stake heavily on a game that has a possibility of high returns and you call it "just for fun". Everyone is always expecting something at the end, otherwise why do you make speculation before wagering? The shouldn't be any need for that.

Entertainment? - for me, I feel it shouldn't go beyond the "reefs". Also, you said they seldom play on those games just to understand the rules to WIN MORE OFTEN?

Lolz 😂, what you said makes a whole lots of sense to me to be honest, the truth of the matter actually is that, many of the gamblers who claim to be gambling for fun or as a means of entertainment are actually saying that for two possible reasons..
1. As a way to convince themselves so they don't feel too bad just incase when they lose money.
2. Or either so they don't get judged by other gamblers who might accuse them of gambling for money when that not what gambling is meant for.
Or maybe for both reasons actually.

But then, the truth of the matter remains that, every gambler that is wagering real hard earned money is expecting to win, which also translates to making profit, and this is not just a truth, but a fact actually.

However, from the beginning I don't accept the fact that I (my self) is gambling for fun because I know a lot of things that I can use my money to do and I will find peace from them. But the truth is that I just developed this mindset that I am gambling for fun😊, but inside me I know I am not. Moreover your first point is not bahd because it's actually says about me. But I am sure that there are some gambler that are gambling for fun out there. Besides the reasons why I said that I am gambling for fun is because I only gamble with the amount I can afford to risk. When you gamble with the amount you can afford to risk you won't feel too bad even when you lose them.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 29, 2024, 11:53:16 AM

Lolz 😂, what you said makes a whole lots of sense to me to be honest,

oops, careful with your jaws 😉..I don't know why they haven't been able to say things exactly the way is it.

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1. As a way to convince themselves so they don't feel too bad just incase when they lose money.
2. Or either so they don't get judged by other gamblers who might accuse them of gambling for money when that not what gambling is meant for.

Although what you said is true, i don't think anyone can suppress that adrenaline rush in them.. especially when you're watching the games being played.. another sign of nervousness would be rechecking and reloading flashscore.mobi everytime.

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But then, the truth of the matter remains that, every gambler that is wagering real hard earned money is expecting to win,

Without a doubt! The expectation continues until the results are out... Alot of people that go about telling others that they wager for fun would feel a deep regret when they bag a huge loss instead of winning.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on July 29, 2024, 09:36:00 AM

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on June 02, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

The last part of your post settles everything.... It has never made sense to me that people say they only gamble to have fun. There's a lot of things you can do for fun; if you wanna have fun, hit the gym. You wanna have fun, pick up swimming lessons etc... you don't stake heavily on a game that has a possibility of high returns and you call it "just for fun". Everyone is always expecting something at the end, otherwise why do you make speculation before wagering? The shouldn't be any need for that.

Entertainment? - for me, I feel it shouldn't go beyond the "reefs". Also, you said they seldom play on those games just to understand the rules to WIN MORE OFTEN?

Lolz 😂, what you said makes a whole lots of sense to me to be honest, the truth of the matter actually is that, many of the gamblers who claim to be gambling for fun or as a means of entertainment are actually saying that for two possible reasons..
1. As a way to convince themselves so they don't feel too bad just incase when they lose money.
2. Or either so they don't get judged by other gamblers who might accuse them of gambling for money when that not what gambling is meant for.
Or maybe for both reasons actually.

But then, the truth of the matter remains that, every gambler that is wagering real hard earned money is expecting to win, which also translates to making profit, and this is not just a truth, but a fact actually.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on June 02, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

The last part of your post settles everything.... It has never made sense to me that people say they only gamble to have fun. There's a lot of things you can do for fun; if you wanna have fun, hit the gym. You wanna have fun, pick up swimming lessons etc... you don't stake heavily on a game that has a possibility of high returns and you call it "just for fun". Everyone is always expecting something at the end, otherwise why do you make speculation before wagering? The shouldn't be any need for that.

Entertainment? - for me, I feel it shouldn't go beyond the "reefs". Also, you said they seldom play on those games just to understand the rules to WIN MORE OFTEN?

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Quote from: crwth on July 21, 2024, 12:23:13 PM

Entertainment might be different for everyone and it is important to know what is your entertainment and what are you planning to do to be entertained. I don’t think it’s always going to be straightforward because we are all different and it is in terms of what we want really.

I agree with you, different people have different concepts about entertainment, some people prefer to spend $500 at the casino while others spend that same amount on a dinner with drinks, and both of them are looking for entertainment. But only one of them has the chance to end with profit, and that one is the one who has fun with gambling.

I hardly believe that gambling has an entertainment side without a doubt. Is a good way to have a good time.

Different people have different types of entertainment but earning money from entertainment is also different. Some spend their time in casinos and gambling sites to earn money as well as entertainment while others spend their time climbing mountains for entertainment. Others seek entertainment by sitting at home reading funny books while others want to travel with their girlfriends on a long drive. Just as there is no shortage of people in the world, there is no end to the variety of human entertainment. But entertainment means entertainment to find a little relief in a weary life.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 26, 2024, 07:10:33 AM

Those people must realizes that gambling is not a way to make money and they don't have to use gambling as a hobby. They can only use gambling to fills their spare time to enjoy the games without thinks about makes money. If they thinks that they can make money from gambling, it is better they don't have to playing gambling because they will regret it to see their money will be gone.

I totally agree with you, gambling, the casino should be the best entertainment to be able to do things better, not let ourselves get carried Away as if it were a job or Something like that, nor fill us with stress or pressure as things often happen here , gambling , entertainment, we should not let ourselves get carried away, entertainment can be many things, to have a different time, obviously getting things done without the need to go through the same situations that are always in daily life, and a Way to get away from reality, for me this is the main thing, that's why the casino is a factor of adult Entertainment.

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Quote from: Obari on July 26, 2024, 12:12:18 AM

I had to quote your entire op because you spoke my mind and it seems there are people who are still in this wonder boat with me because over the time a lot of gamblers and users of the forum has claimed that, they only gamble for fun and most times, it seems I’m just alone with a different opinion about fun and entertainment.
The main purpose for a casino is to make profit and not just entertaining their customers and why will a gambler be shy to boldly say, his main goal is to make profit (win)?

I’ve personally been on the opinion that, the actual fun and entertainment in gambling comes from wining and the higher the winnings, the more entertaining the game becomes because I don’t see any fun or entertainment in losing especially when the money used was a hard earned money even if the gambler gambles only what he could afford to lose.

When they say they gamble for fun, that doesn't only means that there are no profits floating on their mind but actually a lot of gamblers are like this or like you and me. You already said the reason why. I can only disagree when you say that the main purpose of the casino is to make money because the odds for it were too slim but the main and real purpose of a casino is to provide an entertainment.

No one says that they were shy about their gambling acts or if their main purpose for playing is to profit. Many of them are proud of it in fact. See the number of addicts here in the gambling spaces? That says it all. Each of us are still different, so some aren't like you that thinks the real potential of gambling is through winning a profit but for some, they are already contented and happy whenever they play their favourite games.

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Yes, people who are looking for victory and big games with big ambitions, it will certainly be very difficult to play gambling with a short time and small capital, because there is no satisfaction logically if you look from there.

The frustration that accompanies hitting huge wins with smaller amount frequently holds such players and doesn't free up in them a desire to find real entertainment. The risk gets higher, as the rate of winning diminishes. Even if a player control a bigger bankroll he'll lose out a lot of funds wagering high amount, aiming for a big win. These recurring habits will not squeeze out fun for such players. The wins could occur, yet, it's hard for a determined unsatiable player to find fun through it. They're quick to remember how much have been lost in the process, leaving them on same distress spot

That's true and in a nutshell, it's best for gamblers to keep it on a low if they will ever have the fun, otherwise, they will rather have sorrow and they will have themselves to blame for being greedy. This is what I do in my casino branch of gambling and I know the beauty in it as I even use a ridiculously low amount of money to bet which I can never change regardless of how I feel about the chance of the next bet. This also goes for my bonus amounts since I've never believed I would get rich with casino betting, so it's more fun for me.

I was able to achieve that because I first admitted what casino games are and the system in which they are working. I can never beat the house, so why try? I can only risk higher money on sports betting since I know it's 50/50 for me and the house unlike casinos, and I carefully select my options under strict management of my account portfolio. For this, I have built the mindset that I gamble majorly for fun in casinos and for the money on sports betting. However, I will be happy if the money comes surprisingly once in a while as I play casino games, after all, my mind was never desperate for it, so it can't break me.

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Quote from: Obari on July 26, 2024, 12:12:18 AM

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on June 02, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

In the topic of gambling, I often see the word "entertainment". Nevertheless, each user means some meaning by this. Many people believe that entertainment is the main driving force of any gambling. And many even believe that entertainment is a much more physiological need than, for example, a desire to get rich. If you initially set yourself the goal only to have fun, and limit the amount that you are ready to take a chance, then you play for the sake of entertainment, and not because of the thirst for profit. You risk less. But if you ask you what entertainment is for you, then this question will be at a dead end. They do not know what entertainment is. Wikipedia writes that this is activity for pleasure.
But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

I had to quote your entire op because you spoke my mind and it seems there are people who are still in this wonder boat with me because over the time a lot of gamblers and users of the forum has claimed that, they only gamble for fun and most times, it seems I’m just alone with a different opinion about fun and entertainment.
The main purpose for a casino is to make profit and not just entertaining their customers and why will a gambler be shy to boldly say, his main goal is to make profit (win)?

I’ve personally been on the opinion that, the actual fun and entertainment in gambling comes from wining and the higher the winnings, the more entertaining the game becomes because I don’t see any fun or entertainment in losing especially when the money used was a hard earned money even if the gambler gambles only what he could afford to lose.

In general, I completely agree with this. We can only experience pleasure from winning. Is it possible to enjoy losses? I doubt it. More precisely, losses also play a role in the formation of addiction, but their role is different. Losses anger a person and increase his emotions, as if rocking the player. Indignant at himself for his losses, a person tries to win back and thus becomes strongly involved in the game to the point of developing an addiction. At the same time, of course, a person periodically has wins, from which he gets pleasure, forgetting that yesterday he lost much more. This is a kind of self-deception.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on July 26, 2024, 12:05:51 AM

The middle class people think of getting rich in a short period of time by gambling. But those who gamble with the thought of getting rich never get the pleasure of gambling. Those who take gambling as a pastime never worry about losing in gambling.Gambling with the thought of earning money by playing, they face many problems and get worried when they lose gambling.

Not just middle class people will think like that because poor people will also think like that because those people see some people can wins much money from gambling. They thinks that when they playing gambling, they can have lucky day and wins the money but that fact is not like that. Gambling is just entertainment that can gives us pleasure but also gives a regret and depression because we lose our money in gambling.

Those people must realizes that gambling is not a way to make money and they don't have to use gambling as a hobby. They can only use gambling to fills their spare time to enjoy the games without thinks about makes money. If they thinks that they can make money from gambling, it is better they don't have to playing gambling because they will regret it to see their money will be gone.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on June 02, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

In the topic of gambling, I often see the word "entertainment". Nevertheless, each user means some meaning by this. Many people believe that entertainment is the main driving force of any gambling. And many even believe that entertainment is a much more physiological need than, for example, a desire to get rich. If you initially set yourself the goal only to have fun, and limit the amount that you are ready to take a chance, then you play for the sake of entertainment, and not because of the thirst for profit. You risk less. But if you ask you what entertainment is for you, then this question will be at a dead end. They do not know what entertainment is. Wikipedia writes that this is activity for pleasure.
But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

I had to quote your entire op because you spoke my mind and it seems there are people who are still in this wonder boat with me because over the time a lot of gamblers and users of the forum has claimed that, they only gamble for fun and most times, it seems I’m just alone with a different opinion about fun and entertainment.
The main purpose for a casino is to make profit and not just entertaining their customers and why will a gambler be shy to boldly say, his main goal is to make profit (win)?

I’ve personally been on the opinion that, the actual fun and entertainment in gambling comes from wining and the higher the winnings, the more entertaining the game becomes because I don’t see any fun or entertainment in losing especially when the money used was a hard earned money even if the gambler gambles only what he could afford to lose.

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It is only rich people can use gambling as entertainment because for them the result of losing is only entertainment. But many people gamble with the dream of becoming rich, but when they lose, they lose their money. Gambling is difficult to lose, so there is no entertainment. I was sitting in a shop eating and next to me a man was placing bets repeatedly in gambling. I see his wallet he has lost a lot of money yet he is betting but this was not enough entertainment for me. Because I know that it is difficult to earn that money if you lose by gambling.

There are people who think of making money by gambling and these people lose all their money by gambling and end up destitute. Because they continue to gamble to recover the money they lost by gambling, they lose all their money and they don't care at all. Losing all the money gets very worried. So the big people never get extra greedy because they take gambling as a pastime.

Of course not all rich people gamble because they have mountains of money so they don't see gambling money as important. Especially the middle class will continue to gamble even after repeated losses. Their only goal is to get rich in a very short time. But we can get some stories of people who got rich by gambling. Gambling is not really for fun, and there are very few people who consider gambling as fun.

The middle class people think of getting rich in a short period of time by gambling. But those who gamble with the thought of getting rich never get the pleasure of gambling. Those who take gambling as a pastime never worry about losing in gambling.Gambling with the thought of earning money by playing, they face many problems and get worried when they lose gambling.

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Quote from: sompitonov on July 23, 2024, 04:36:54 AM

Quote from: junder on July 23, 2024, 04:18:34 AM

It's true what you said, gambling is a game that requires balance. if we do it well, that is, by balancing everything, everything will be fine. Many people do this unconsciously due to their thoughts being carried away further into gambling, so that the decision they make that initially was something that would not be a problem but instead ends up getting them into trouble. guidance from wrong thinking will clearly lead them to gambling addiction. However, for those who really gamble for entertainment, they definitely have a good balance, including their thinking.

Before turning to other people, of course what you have to pay attention to is yourself first. gambling will be fine if it is done with balance, self-control and that must be applied, if it doesn't exist then we have to create it and continue to hone and train it, don't let ourselves lose self-control because that will be bad. It's true what you say, this doesn't only apply to gambling, but it's the same with other things.

In any case, we will not be able to teach the player how to treat the game for entertainment or chaotic bets; the player will only independently understand and feel his attitude to the game after going through at least a short path with unsuccessful outcomes. If a player loses all the time, he will not change anything in his game, because he will be completely satisfied with it. And having lost a certain amount of money or his entire deposit, he will begin to wonder why this happened and what needs to be changed. This happened to me and I completely changed my attitude towards the game, now I understand how it works and I take any loss very lightly. At the same time, I understand that for me this is a great option to spend an interesting time and watch the match of my favorite team.

Indeed, the results that have occurred can make them realize and understand that what they are doing is nothing more than just a bet involving luck. In fact, even when I experience defeat, I think it can make people understand, but this feeling of wanting to win usually makes them trapped or motivated to continue betting so it's not surprising that there are people who lose a lot of money, which of course is caused by the lack of restrictions applied. on the things they do.

I myself have experienced something where I lost consciousness and experienced a very bad incident, but the bright side of this bad incident now makes me aware and understand the flow of the game being played, I only need to bet with the money I can afford and not overdo it like betting outside. my own abilities. because when it's time to win, there's nothing that can stop us except ourselves who still feel dissatisfied with what we've got. betting with money that only we can afford is the key. I myself think of this as watching a cinema where I spend a certain amount of money to exchange for a ticket and enjoy the film to feel the sensation in it and that is what I apply now to the gambling that I do.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 22, 2024, 11:21:37 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 22, 2024, 11:08:47 AM

This means that winning is indeed a situation that can really be exciting, that's normal, but that doesn't mean we make ourselves to continue chasing victory, remember as I said above that forever gambling will always be a risky activity, meaning when we try to Always chasing victory means you are directing yourself to more serious impacts and disasters.

Well gambling entertainment is linked with the winning in gambling. When you do not win and try to chase the victory (by excessive gambling), then you are infract chasing the entertainment and most people will lose more, instead of winning. How many times we have seen that when we only want to win, the win goes away from us and we only see loses.
I think gamblers should know that wining and losing both are part of gambling and only thinking that with winning we can get entertainment is a wrong approach. The gamblers have to change their minds to have a more healthy and enjoyable gambling experience.

Yes and actually this can be said to be quite confusing, because gambling can really make someone lose consciousness and get carried away, we know that the pleasure will be more significant when we succeed in getting a win but we shouldn't focus on that, or what we mean is just think of it as winning. is a bonus that can give you more significant pleasure by understanding and realizing that it will not always happen.

Because as you said above, when someone pursues victory in the hope of getting more money along with the hope of getting more significant pleasure then as time goes by you will actually experience more frequent defeats or the number of your losses will actually increase, which means winning in gambling is not to be pursued but you can only wait for luck to come. On the other hand, yes, I agree with you that gamblers must really know and understand that gambling is always about winning and losing, understand that opportunities do exist but also realize that risk is part of it, so in my opinion a better approach is to look for entertainment but without thinking about winning.

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Quote from: crwth on July 21, 2024, 12:23:13 PM

Entertainment might be different for everyone and it is important to know what is your entertainment and what are you planning to do to be entertained. I don’t think it’s always going to be straightforward because we are all different and it is in terms of what we want really.

I hardly believe that gambling has an entertainment side without a doubt. Is a good way to have a good time.

Definitely it has. According to wiki "Entertainment is a form of activity that amongst other things "gives pleasure and delight". When I visit local casino I may meet my friends there, may have a drink, may listen to jazz combo, may win at length, sure eventually. Some of these gives me a pleasure while others brings me delight. Thus I kinda see the gambling as an entertainment.

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Quote from: junder on July 23, 2024, 04:18:34 AM

It's true what you said, gambling is a game that requires balance. if we do it well, that is, by balancing everything, everything will be fine. Many people do this unconsciously due to their thoughts being carried away further into gambling, so that the decision they make that initially was something that would not be a problem but instead ends up getting them into trouble. guidance from wrong thinking will clearly lead them to gambling addiction. However, for those who really gamble for entertainment, they definitely have a good balance, including their thinking.

Before turning to other people, of course what you have to pay attention to is yourself first. gambling will be fine if it is done with balance, self-control and that must be applied, if it doesn't exist then we have to create it and continue to hone and train it, don't let ourselves lose self-control because that will be bad. It's true what you say, this doesn't only apply to gambling, but it's the same with other things.

In any case, we will not be able to teach the player how to treat the game for entertainment or chaotic bets; the player will only independently understand and feel his attitude to the game after going through at least a short path with unsuccessful outcomes. If a player loses all the time, he will not change anything in his game, because he will be completely satisfied with it. And having lost a certain amount of money or his entire deposit, he will begin to wonder why this happened and what needs to be changed. This happened to me and I completely changed my attitude towards the game, now I understand how it works and I take any loss very lightly. At the same time, I understand that for me this is a great option to spend an interesting time and watch the match of my favorite team.

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