Topic: How does knowledge of English relate to receiving Merit? (Read 808 times)

Good English skills are almost a must here and it helps a lot, sure. But there are members who receive plenty of merits although it is sometimes hard to understand what they are talking about. What they lack in the Language and Grammar department they make up with technical knowledge, programming skills, hard work and research and being helpful when others need help. And there are usually sources in the local sections.

Those who lack all of these skills, are cheaters and have no work ethics find it hard to get merits.   

No matter how universal the forum is, knowledge of English still plays an enormously great role in communicating and in the process earning merits(ranking up)

The goal of communication is to pass a message, in other words, for mutual intelligibility, now that's to say that when communicating if the other party doesn't understand what's said, then communication cannot be said to have taken place.
Now with that being said, you must not be able to use highfalutin or infallible grammar and sentences, but whichever way you do, just make sure it's coherent and understandable.

And lastly if you find it difficult to communicate in English, it's best you develop yourself first before trying to write on the forum, or you start from your local board.

I'm sorry that I ( Jet Cash ) have rather neglected the Fit to Talk English project. It was taking up quite a lot of time, and it was becoming difficult to maintain interest. The site is still live, and if there is any enthusiasm, I'd be happy to revive it to help members without English as their first language to improve their posting skills.

You made a good thread, and deserve merits from your contribution. I wrote some words relate to English skills here:
In addition, there is another thead on English books: Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills, with downloadable links. 
Lastly, your thread should be moved to the Beginners & Help board.

Update

To get the merit it is important that the content what we right it is according to the question that was asked in the forum.Moreover the words that we use it must be used at the right place with correct grammar.

First of all, I want to thank you (author) for this necessary material. I really limp good English and for me this information is very useful.
I installed the Duolingo app and am already running It. Very handy app for your phone.
About merit. I think no need to put the first task is to earn merit. The first task you need to earn the respect among the other participants. Of course, I'm still learning and trying to be better and benefit other participants. But the important thing, I think, is to write the right topics in English. Training, help, advice, Guides, Observation. All that can benefit other participants. The author of this topic, correctly says that books help to expand vocabulary and see the grammatical features of the English language.

Incorrect method. Thats like learning Chinese from a Chinese dictionary.

You need to have a teacher who knows both how to communicate with the learner in native language and has a strong grasp of English. Thats why your first comment was wrong.

If you are learning English to get merits then you will end up learning a new language which is good but your effort is going to be directed in the wrong way. Learn in whatever way you want I dont care. As long as I see people keeping on repeating what has been told numerous times nobody is getting merits from me.

Using translate tools will earn you 0 merits.  Either learn enough English to communicate or give up.

There is no cheat.. Merit sources just don't hand out to people they don't understand

I thank you for such a topic I need.
I do not speak English grammar well and basically I translate Google as an interpreter to participate in communication.
I decided to try the Duolingo app and downloaded to my child Children's Illustrated Thesaurus.

So basically, it takes 21 days to make a habit so if we use ourselves in talking nor writing this will be at ease. It may be hard at first but as you go along you'll be surprise.

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It isn't mentality but more on psychological approach since this what our mind conditioned since this is an english forum. However, there's also some good and informative post in local section and I know that those were merited well by merit sources and people who appreciated it.

Yet for me, as long as the thought is there and isn't spam then why not, merit is meant to share to those who deserve.

Thanks for mentioning the Fit to Talk English project.

Most of the whitepapers relating to crypto are written in English, so the lack of a passing knowledge is a barrier to a full undertanding of the crypto world. The Oxford/Elite control the banking world, and much of the world economy, and English is the lingua franca there. The European Union does not have a common language, and it suffers from this. Now that the UK is leaving their clutches, I believe that they are considering the use of English as their primary language. Most merit sources are English speakers with limited time to read the boards, this means that posts written in fluid English are more likely to be read, and thus they are more likely to receive merit.

The Fit to Talk project seems to wax and wane in interest, and at the moment it seems to be increasing in activity. The more members who take advantage of it, the more use it is to the active participants, and the more likely senior Bitcoin Talk members are to help people with their English.

Honestly, if you check through all the merit I have ever given out, I don't think you will find a single one that wasn't written in perfect, or at least close to perfect English. I think the same goes for a lot of users here, in fact if a post is written poorly I tend not to read it at all, as rarely do intelligible things come from an individual who cannot even read or write. Having English as a second language isn't an excuse either, if you have the level of English required to be able to type out a sentence on the forum, then you have also likely learned at least basic grammar too.

TLDR: There is a significant positive correlation between writing ability and merit earned.

Totally agree with you. In his topic, you can find many tips not only from the niggles, but also from other people who also learned English from scratch

In extreme cases, read a little about the crypto currency, if it is bitcoin that does not interest a person (I do not know then what he does on the forum )

Read about Bitcoin? You shouldn't be here for merit, you should be here for Bitcoin (knowledge of it).

It’s in fact pretty clear what you should do. It’s not rocket science. If you struggle with speaking, you need to speak more. If you struggle with writting, you need to write more.read about merit ... pros and cons every day make my eyes 

Learning the English language is very useful in using most forums i guess. Forum like Reddit is commended because it can be used around the world and it is where a lot of opinions and insights are exchanged. They use the English language because it is easy to understand and learn because they teach the basics of English in every Elementary Schools. I guess TMAN's thread in receiving merit was great because following it might really give you a merit if you try your best in creating the post that will be understood by everybody.

for me it is important that you have English knowledge especially here in the forum especially to help other people that the language is English .. if you are not fluently or you do not know English you have no knowledge in english i think i can not help so for me knowledge in english is important really being proficient in english is good ..btw thank you for sharing this.

I think your English does not need to be great, but at least without a lot of grammar mistake and easy for other people to understand. If you post something that no one can understand, it is hard for other people to communicate with you effectively in the forum, thus it is hard to receive merit.

Thank you so much.

I thought that these books will take your time as productive as possible.

It was with them literally in a month that I was able to speak fluent English with people from other countries, paying for training by the hour per day.

Well, learning to speak English fluently will definitely make you a good writer. Of course the constructiveness of a sentence or paragraph filled with information will definitely be noticed. With that surely merits may be given if they find it very helpful.

Sure there are lots of books out there but still, Learning still depend on a person's attitude on how they will be determined learning how to improve themselves.

but still appreciated the effort finding useful books. Good job.

It is books that help to broaden the horizons of knowledge, as well as correctly formulate words in sentences. That's why the main emphasis in studying I did on reading books. I would not even write in the topic of what I do not know. Even before registering on the forum, you should think about having enough knowledge for it.

I completely agree to this. If I had to choose one between the two, I would give more weightage to content only.

Some members might be giving more value to English and writing skills and I respect their choice.

Mastering the English Grammar is one of the two things to receive a Merit but the other thing you need to make your good grammar pay off is the content of what you are posting. Even though you are good at grammar but your posts lacks content or doesn't have any value for other members you won't be receiving any merits, I also recommend while you are practicing the English language you also need to learn subjects related to cryptocurrencies as this is the only way you can properly apply your writing.

The reason I follow this forum is just to add knowledge about bitcoin and improve my English. I am Indonesian. Not because of economic factors. And I have also read the rules of the forum here that it is forbidden to be a spammer and I certainly will keep it away. To hell with merit. I'm not stuck with that. If you suggest me to learn a language other than English, have you mastered the others?

If you are getting an impetus to learn English to post in this forum then you are sick dude. It is good for you to learn a new language but your attempts at doing so prove the fact that you are a shitposter who comes here to spam and earn some "free cash" while doing so. This type of mentality is responsible for the spam in the forum.

If you come to this forum in order to get merited then you need to get lost.

If to take in general, in local branches very seldom share merit. I do not know. can this be the mentality of my country or something else, but experience is experience.

The majority of merits are awarded in the English speaking parts. You can get merits in your local board but they might be a bit more scarce as sources are as we are generally a forum based on the English language.

I'm a newbie, and I have bad English. Before I join this forum I have done english practice. But, I stopped midway due to economic factors. Then I tried downloading the duolingo app in the play store. In my opinion, this duolingo app is good enough for someone with bad English. Because I've tried it. But, does getting merit should have a good quality of english? I've read some guides to get merit. There are only posts made qualified, informative, and constructive.

I thought about this and decided that you are right. Edited the main post, where he inserted a link to this one. Many thanks for the advice. I am very glad that all the participants of this forum help to make it better! Good luck!

Oh yes, that'll teach me to actually look at people's usernames before I reply (I always forget to do that).


I'd suggest locking that thread and paste a redirection link at the bottom of it (just my thoughts, keep both open if you wish).

In that topic, I only laid out books that you can read. In this particular I summarized all the information that I wrote in the topic from TMAN

You've already posted the same topic in Beginners & Help section

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-best-books-for-learning-english-3768196

No need to duplicate it here in Meta...

I don't know where nullius went to, but anyone looking for posts deserving of merit should look no further--he makes very few mistakes and is a talented writer.  The books listed in this thread might be pretty good for general language improvement, but nullius's post history is a true lesson in how to get merits here. 

English shouldn't be a major determinant of getting merits, but it is since the main section is English.  There really should be merit sources in every local board, but I don't think that's the case--nor do I think that the majority of users in any given local board a probably deserving of merits anyway.  Mediocrity and laziness prevail, that's my guess, just like on the English section.  Most users here just want to crank out shitposts for their campaigns and not just for one account but multiple.  There isn't enough time in a week for all those accounts to make thoughtful posts.

Thanks all for feedback. I will soon find more interesting books, series, sites with which you can improve the skill of the English language

@jackg  thanks  am already there spamming on jet cash    , he do reply on all my questions    .

I'm not sure if this is of any use to you or not? https://fittotalk.com/english-talk/index.php?topic=25.0

It'll give you a chance, and others, to practice English with things like word orders, punctuation and grammar.

English is quite a forgiving language, someone who is fluent in it can usually pick up what you have written if you don't use the right word order but have the right words or words similar to the right ones, however, it would probably be a useful scheme that Jet Cash is doing to get people to write a bit better here.

good thread  op . rn I am using duolingo  and I feel so lonely    and I will appreciate if some people joined me  in my empty group  using this code in duolingo app  43HNQM  or if there is an existing group for bitcoin talk members  then i would be happy if someone added me , since that will create some kind of challenge ( competition )and make using that app more interesting . rn its just from normal to  boring   .  

This you can watch film hd quality free on English language with subtitles https://english-films.com. Many film on any genre.

I do not know if this topic can be called like "challenge from TMAN", but in it I collected all the advice I gave in his subject for learning English.
I think that this information will be very useful to interested people.

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Books for learning English

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1. Universal English textbook for beginners
   New English File                                                    New Total English                                           Speakout
                                                                                     
  
2. For activating vocabulary
   English Vocabulary in Use                                  Oxford Word Skills
                                             
  
3. Textbook for grammar
Essential Grammar in Use                                    Grammarway
                                           
4. You need to mention 3 textbooks on grammar from Raymond Murphy and Martin Hewings
First level                                                                Average level                                                  Advanced level
                                                                                         

5. Also do not forget about a series of textbooks from Oxford from the creators Norman Coe, Mark Harrison, Ken Paterson, John Eastwood and George Yule
First level                                                                Average level                                                  Advanced level
                                                                                           

6. Book for those who have just started studying!
Scholastic Children's Dictionary                                 Children's Illustrated Thesaurus
                                                           

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To learn English, you can watch English movies with subtitles. Here is the list of those films and series that I used.

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My Fair Lady (1964)      Bridget Jones’s Diary (2001)               The Office (2001—2003)                    
                                                             
                                          Extr@ (2002—2004)
                                              

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I would also like to add that you can learn English using different sites. Links to them I will not leave, I will leave only the names

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I'll talk about two resources - Busuu and Duolingo.
I'm not trying to name the best method of learning English, but only acquaint you with the practice - my and friends.

Duolingo

Having learned about this system after the need for training courses has disappeared, I can judge the effectiveness of the system only by the feedback of its graduates. If you evaluate only this indicator, you should definitely try it.

The Duolingo project was launched in the US. It is built on the technique of igrofification - the path from the beginning to the end of the training is fixed on the gaming skill tree. The technique pays much attention to written lessons, dictations. If you perform the task with dignity - you add points. Failure to do so results in a loss of life and a return to the beginning of the lesson.

Busuu

International social network, which unites people to study the language. Here you can communicate with its speakers, learn grammar, memorize words. The educational materials of the site are diverse, however, to have access to full content, you need to pay a subscription. But it's worth it. You can learn both on the computer and with applications for smartphones.

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