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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:45:35 PM

just a quote from the above

"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."

I agree it is a downside however I'm not sure it is a real concerns. There are many workarounds to this issue and most javascript developpers that need big numbers know how to deal with it.

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I replied to that StackOverflow post: http://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/2104/how-does-lisk-differ-from-ethereum/3176#3176

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Quote from: tempus on April 18, 2016, 09:36:35 PM

This...

"Since Ethereum is running contracts on the blockchain and Lisk is sort of running Dapp on the blockchain (sidechain?), you could see why having a weakly typed language could result in problems, specifically regarding consensus. It is much better to know the problem before it turns into an immutable thing on the chain, rather than discover all funds are trapped, or you fork the blockchain the first time someone tries to interact with it."

...could turn out as a (very) weak point with Ethereum. Because all ETH-contracts are running on the Blockchain while Lisk will use Sidechains. That's the most important point in my opinion and the reason why I don't invest in Ethereum but bought into the Lisk-ICO. It's the complexity of Ethereum that I consider as problematic and it's the base-simplicity of Lisk that could turn out as much more stable and scaleable.

Interesting read about Ethereum and possible coming problems:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-ethereum-paradox-1361602

ethereum has problems too im not claiming ethereum is the solution to decentralization just stating lisk has even bigger problems

do you not agree with this

"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."

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Quote from: benthach on April 18, 2016, 09:32:06 PM

ethercrap is a vaporware and useless, it's sound like language within language within language which is just a waste of not necessary times. one thing this scammer team good is to touch at every corners of craps and creating many hypes and terms as possible. why i'm hating this crap so much is because it is annoying the crap outta me the level they think their 8 grade coding skill is very good.

even if this crap is working flawless, it is still no adoption but in this case this crap is just a vaporware
http://www.coindesk.com/three-smart-contract-misconceptions/

that article dont say they are useless just say smart contracts overhyped

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This...

"Since Ethereum is running contracts on the blockchain and Lisk is sort of running Dapp on the blockchain (sidechain?), you could see why having a weakly typed language could result in problems, specifically regarding consensus. It is much better to know the problem before it turns into an immutable thing on the chain, rather than discover all funds are trapped, or you fork the blockchain the first time someone tries to interact with it."

...could turn out as a (very) weak point with Ethereum. Because all ETH-contracts are running on the Blockchain while Lisk will use Sidechains. That's the most important point in my opinion and the reason why I don't invest in Ethereum but bought into the Lisk-ICO. It's the complexity of Ethereum that I consider as problematic and it's the base-simplicity of Lisk that could turn out as much more stable and scaleable.

Interesting read about Ethereum and possible coming problems:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-ethereum-paradox-1361602

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ethercrap is a vaporware and useless, it's sound like language within language within language which is just a waste of not necessary times. one thing this scammer team good is to touch at every corners of craps and creating many hypes and terms as possible. why i'm hating this crap so much is because it is annoying the crap outta me the level they think their 8 grade coding skill is very good.

even if this crap is working flawless, it is still no adoption but in this case this crap is just a vaporware
http://www.coindesk.com/three-smart-contract-misconceptions/

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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 08:16:19 PM

Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 08:04:55 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 08:01:07 PM

Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:58:12 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

came across this link its worth a read. i think it will really shows the winner hands down

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you telling me this is objective and you wanted discussion?!?

its my opinion, my conclusion on what i thought its not like anything i say is final. a dicussion is based on difference on opinion that was mine i'd like to hear others if they agree/disagree

whatever, this comes off more of an I'm a ETH fanboi and here's all the reasons I could find why you should pump ETH again instead of taking a look at lisk type shit considering there is NO counter argument.

your entitled to your opinion. i came across lisk as it was comparing it to eth saying it was better did my research and as it hasnt been mentioned here id like to know what other's think. im simply looking at why is lisk saying they are better ive not spoke about eth price but your reaction makes you obvious.

no, your OP makes you obvious.

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I'd like to quote what you said.

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Disadvantages of Solidity
As user Jehan pointed out, Solidity isn't perfect either.

There's little support for serialization and deserialization of any kind

It has an extremely anemic stdlib

There is no way to pass an array of strings into a contract.

Then I'd also like to show another statement you made, attempting to big-up Ethereum for already having the coding platform that Lisk is built on.

To quote what you said:

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The difference is that Lisk is entirely Javascript (and node.js), Ethereum has a large number clients in different languages[2], has two custom-written languages for smart contracts, and still allows for Javascript blah blah blah (the UI).

As you said it, Ethereum only allows Javascript coding in the UI. Therefor has Nothing to do with JavaScript in the back-end. Lisk also uses HTML5/CSS3 on the front-end. Ethereum tries to do, on the front-end, what Lisk does, on the back-end.

You also begin to ignore the fact that Lisk is directly combating and resolving the scalability issue taking place in the crypto-currency space while becoming the first truly modular crypto-currency.

Last thing (I will not be responding after this post), you moderate your own thread and expect to have an open-dialogue?

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Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 08:04:55 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 08:01:07 PM

Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:58:12 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

came across this link its worth a read. i think it will really shows the winner hands down

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you telling me this is objective and you wanted discussion?!?

its my opinion, my conclusion on what i thought its not like anything i say is final. a dicussion is based on difference on opinion that was mine i'd like to hear others if they agree/disagree

whatever, this comes off more of an I'm a ETH fanboi and here's all the reasons I could find why you should pump ETH again instead of taking a look at lisk type shit considering there is NO counter argument.

your entitled to your opinion. i came across lisk as it was comparing it to eth saying it was better did my research and as it hasnt been mentioned here id like to know what other's think. im simply looking at why is lisk saying they are better ive not spoke about eth price but your reaction makes you obvious.

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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 08:01:07 PM

Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:58:12 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

came across this link its worth a read. i think it will really shows the winner hands down

snip

you telling me this is objective and you wanted discussion?!?

its my opinion, my conclusion on what i thought its not like anything i say is final. a dicussion is based on difference on opinion that was mine i'd like to hear others if they agree/disagree

whatever, this comes off more of an I'm a ETH fanboi and here's all the reasons I could find why you should pump ETH again instead of taking a look at lisk type shit considering there is NO counter argument.

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il post more what i find interesting relating to lisk and eth

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Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:58:12 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

came across this link its worth a read. i think it will really shows the winner hands down

snip

you telling me this is objective and you wanted discussion?!?

its my opinion, my conclusion on what i thought its not like anything i say is final. a dicussion is based on difference on opinion that was mine i'd like to hear others if they agree/disagree

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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

came across this link its worth a read. i think it will really shows the winner hands down

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you telling me this is objective and you wanted discussion?!?

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Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:55:37 PM

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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:49:30 PM

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one more difference is that Lisk has an official forum

and Ethereum can't afford to keep theirs up.

come on seriously are you even using this as a arguement

you come on, you just copy and pate a reddit discussion here to try and hype ETH but when someone sees through your game and plays the devils advocate you cry foul and modderate your thread because you don't wan't any dissenting arguments.

You are silly.

i told you any insults will be deleted and anything ive posted can be discussed can you not read the title

"how lisk differ from eth" if it said how lisk is shitter than eth fair enough just merely posting what i think i found interesting this is the altcoin dicussion and my moderation is simply to delete insults normal discussion without insults go ahead.

if you think that is an insult then you have no skin. Maybe you should get out more and see what real life is like.

ok thanks noted now back to topic

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i never saw this posted on bitcointalk or on lisk thread welcoming people's opinion

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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:54:36 PM

Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:51:41 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:49:30 PM

replying to your comment

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one more difference is that Lisk has an official forum

and Ethereum can't afford to keep theirs up.

come on seriously are you even using this as a arguement

you come on, you just copy and pate a reddit discussion here to try and hype ETH but when someone sees through your game and plays the devils advocate you cry foul and modderate your thread because you don't wan't any dissenting arguments.

You are silly.

i told you any insults will be deleted and anything ive posted can be discussed can you not read the title

"how lisk differ from eth" if it said how lisk is shitter than eth fair enough just merely posting what i think i found interesting this is the altcoin dicussion and my moderation is simply to delete insults normal discussion without insults go ahead.

if you think that is an insult then you have no skin. Maybe you should get out more and see what real life is like.

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Quote from: cannabanana on April 18, 2016, 07:51:41 PM

Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:49:30 PM

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one more difference is that Lisk has an official forum

and Ethereum can't afford to keep theirs up.

come on seriously are you even using this as a arguement

you come on, you just copy and pate a reddit discussion here to try and hype ETH but when someone sees through your game and plays the devils advocate you cry foul and modderate your thread because you don't wan't any dissenting arguments.

You are silly.

i told you any insults will be deleted and anything ive posted can be discussed can you not read the title

"how lisk differ from eth" if it said how lisk is shitter than eth fair enough just merely posting what i think i found interesting this is the altcoin dicussion and my moderation is simply to delete insults normal discussion without insults go ahead.

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Quote from: mxhwr on April 18, 2016, 07:49:30 PM

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one more difference is that Lisk has an official forum

and Ethereum can't afford to keep theirs up.

come on seriously are you even using this as a arguement

you come on, you just copy and pate a reddit discussion here to try and hype ETH but when someone sees through your game and plays the devils advocate you cry foul and modderate your thread because you don't wan't any dissenting arguments.

You are silly and that is a silly childs game.

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and again

"here's another difference

I bet you now at this day in history Lisk has more development funds than Ethereum."

should i care who has deep pockets. would you buy my coin if had 10million dollars but it didnt perform well. you'd only buy it to make a quick buck.

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one more difference is that Lisk has an official forum

and Ethereum can't afford to keep theirs up.

come on seriously are you even using this as a arguement

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