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Topic: How HAVELOCK is one of the OWNERS of ASICMINER/AMHASH - page 2. (Read 3476 times)

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Oh, you!


Hmm, interesting, I didn't see that until now.

Checked my past correspondence with Havelock (from 2012, while James was still in charge) and the headers also point to the Lightbox.org mail server. DNS and MX records also check out. If I had to guess, company ownership was transferred to Panama to forego any regulations, but the existing infrastructure / setup was left in place. The Panama corp could then pay for hosting (since that's what Lightbox Technologies does) instead of moving everything to their own servers.

Odd, if you're looking to distance yourself after the sale of the site, but not totally unreasonable. Obviously this is speculation, and obviously I expect this will turn into a super conspiracy in the next 2-3 posts.

No.  this is how it works:  
1.  Buy a Panamanian shelf<==not vouching for this, simply the first google result; should be ~$800-1200, depending on complexity, age & cleanliness.

2.  Tell your marks the  the business has been sold to a Panamanian corp.  

  2a.  Remember not to use the same folks to buy your second shell/shelf, because total n00b mistake:
  
        

3. Huh
4. PROFIT!!!
sr. member
Activity: 328
Merit: 250
Korbman,

Lightbox just supplies the servers and software to the Panama Fund. You yourself closed your fund at Havelock since it was no longer profitable to continue it.  You did a good job of communicating it. Unfortunately not all Fund managers were as transparent as you were.

As you can review from past posts TAT Investments transferred not sold the exisitng virtual shares of AsicMiner to a block chain address to be managed by Havelock. We never actually owned directly any AM shares or AMHASH shares.

Airwolf is frustrated as we are at the current situation with AM. However as you know we don't have custody of any of the Bitcoins raised by AM or AMHASH.

From day 1 when Airwolf has contacted us all he used were physical threats to James and his Family. We tried to advise him that communicating threats of violence is a crime and we offered a chance to take those threats back as he had made them under obvious distress. 

As you know since you have used our platform, we can't stop a person from signing up, depositing Bitcoins and purchasing units of a Fund for exchange for Bitcoins.  Those Bitcoins move to the control of the Fund manager and are withdrawn by them. 

Havelock
legendary
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Legendary Escrow Service - Tip Jar in Profile
AirWolf... what is your conclusion out of this? Havelock is unsecure or the owner has something to do with the problems of Asicminer? I mean i can see why someone wants to hide when running an unregistered exchange. Im only not sure whats the problem if Havelock is one of the owners of asicminer/amhash. Because they stopped trading for it?
legendary
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Merit: 1001
Oh, you!


Hmm, interesting, I didn't see that until now.

Checked my past correspondence with Havelock (from 2012, while James was still in charge) and the headers also point to the Lightbox.org mail server. DNS and MX records also check out. If I had to guess, company ownership was transferred to Panama to forego any regulations, but the existing infrastructure / setup was left in place. The Panama corp could then pay for hosting (since that's what Lightbox Technologies does) instead of moving everything to their own servers.

Odd, if you're looking to distance yourself after the sale of the site, but not totally unreasonable. Obviously this is speculation, and obviously I expect this will turn into a super conspiracy in the next 2-3 posts.
full member
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Havelock robbed me 170BTC
And now Havelock is on the run, THEY ARE OFFERING ME 10BTC to just go away:

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If I give 10 Bitcoins would you just go away?

=20

From: Air Wolf [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: jueves, marzo 12, 2015 17:01 PM
To: Funds @ Havelock Investments
Subject: Re: AMHASH Scam

=20

Liar, soon i will proof you do and i will ejoy it for sure...

=20
legendary
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I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock...

Oh, you!


I don't mind the petty criminality, it's the laziness & incompetence that I find particularly offensive.

lel
full member
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Havelock robbed me 170BTC
JAMES GRANT(HAVELOCK): YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR MONEY!

I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock. These regulations came to light in early 2014.

If anything, you should be focusing on the group of Panamanians that have turned the platform to shit over the past year.

Those Panamanians are just "testaferros" or name-lenders, in the eyes of the law, James sold to them, in the practice, he controls and operates all, it is just the same dance with different dress, selling and buying this kind of companies in Panama is why the country is a fiscal paradise for operating shady business. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=859
member
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I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock...

Oh, you!


I don't mind the petty criminality, it's the laziness & incompetence that I find particularly offensive.
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1001
JAMES GRANT(HAVELOCK): YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR MONEY!

I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock. These regulations came to light in early 2014.

If anything, you should be focusing on the group of Panamanians that have turned the platform to shit over the past year.
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Havelock robbed me 170BTC
And there is more coming...
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Havelock robbed me 170BTC
So the chain of ownership is:

Havelock investment has been started by James Grant under Lightbox ownership
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10755927
Then he released it, bond him directly to the project and announced that HL is going be purchased by PANAMA Fund
    if you look into Panama fund they have the same fake board members as Crypto Trade Corp which belongs to lightbox
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10754241
As of March 2014 James Grant is the admitted owner and operator of Havelock investments:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=859
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lightbox-859
There was announcement that TAT invest has acquired am shares and sells them through HL.
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1994125
TAT owning a seat on ASICMINER, the parent company of AMHASH
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg2687134;topicseen#msg2687134
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg2687134;topicseen#msg2687134
And TAT transferred their seat to Havelock: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/

So that proofs that he is deep in this scheme, deeper than he wants anyone to believe...

JAMES GRANT(HAVELOCK): YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR MONEY!
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