How IRS can seize accounts on suspicion alone!

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Quote from: TheButterZone on October 29, 2014, 04:44:18 PM

Quote from: traderman on October 29, 2014, 08:31:52 AM

If you think elections/politicians will change anything I honestly don't know what to tell ya!

Oh, they change stuff, but for the worse of humankind intentionally, and rarely & by accident, for the better.

The change is quite random. It main benefits very few people.

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Quote from: traderman on October 29, 2014, 08:31:52 AM

If you think elections/politicians will change anything I honestly don't know what to tell ya!

Oh, they change stuff, but for the worse of humankind intentionally, and rarely & by accident, for the better.

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If you think elections/politicians will change anything I honestly don't know what to tell ya!

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Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

Votes are counted in an impartial way that allows for whoever has the most votes to win an election.

To say/imply that someone would not win an election despite receiving the most votes only because of their views is just crazy

In a utopia, yes. In the dystopia we live in, no.

I would say that many people would need to be elected to get these kinds of laws changed but it is still possible.

Ever since the washington post published their article about how prevalent this is on a local level the general public has make it known that this is not a popular thing for the government to take money from (possible criminals) so it is very well possible that this kind of practice could get discontinued with the current politicians in office

The current politicians in office benefit from civil forfeiture and other forms of "legalized" theft and will never suffer one iota. Why would they act against their own interests? The general public has zero effect with the soapbox & Stalinist counted ballot box, the jury box is compromised and/or circumvented, and the ammo box is trumped by the drone & nuclear weapon box, if there isn't mutiny in support of our side, liberty.

Local politicians do benefit from asset seizure however they are also the easiest to remove from office and are the ones who must listen to the voices of local voters the most as they have very limited re-election budgets. The local equivalent of the MSM has incentives to report what is important to voters/the public and has much more influence as to what voters can hear then what the budget of most local politicians can bear.

If local politicians cannot get the laws changed, they can likely at the very least get the practice to stop

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Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

Votes are counted in an impartial way that allows for whoever has the most votes to win an election.

To say/imply that someone would not win an election despite receiving the most votes only because of their views is just crazy

In a utopia, yes. In the dystopia we live in, no.

I would say that many people would need to be elected to get these kinds of laws changed but it is still possible.

Ever since the washington post published their article about how prevalent this is on a local level the general public has make it known that this is not a popular thing for the government to take money from (possible criminals) so it is very well possible that this kind of practice could get discontinued with the current politicians in office

The current politicians in office benefit from civil forfeiture and other forms of "legalized" theft and will never suffer one iota. Why would they act against their own interests? The general public has zero effect with the soapbox & Stalinist counted ballot box, the jury box is compromised and/or circumvented, and the ammo box is trumped by the drone & nuclear weapon box, if there isn't mutiny in support of our side, liberty.

Local politicians do benefit from asset seizure however they are also the easiest to remove from office and are the ones who must listen to the voices of local voters the most as they have very limited re-election budgets. The local equivalent of the MSM has incentives to report what is important to voters/the public and has much more influence as to what voters can hear then what the budget of most local politicians can bear.

If local politicians cannot get the laws changed, they can likely at the very least get the practice to stop

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Quote from: Meuh6879 on October 27, 2014, 06:34:32 PM

Quote from: rammy2k2 on October 26, 2014, 06:25:27 PM

scary for USA people ... not for the rest of the world Wink

Eurozone have law since december 2013 to do this ... legally.

Eurozone have from decade, law to block and retrieve ticket (high speed by automated camera) from the bank account (cost of this for the client = 87 euros) without inform citizen from this if it is in vacancy (like 2 months).

Bitcoin ... can free people.
And that what it can append in short time, now.

I call Bullshit.
Show me this laws

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Quote from: Eisenhower34 on October 29, 2014, 02:45:55 AM

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Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:14:14 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on October 28, 2014, 06:10:12 PM

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

Votes are counted in an impartial way that allows for whoever has the most votes to win an election.

To say/imply that someone would not win an election despite receiving the most votes only because of their views is just crazy

In a utopia, yes. In the dystopia we live in, no.

I would say that many people would need to be elected to get these kinds of laws changed but it is still possible.

Ever since the washington post published their article about how prevalent this is on a local level the general public has make it known that this is not a popular thing for the government to take money from (possible criminals) so it is very well possible that this kind of practice could get discontinued with the current politicians in office

The current politicians in office benefit from civil forfeiture and other forms of "legalized" theft and will never suffer one iota. Why would they act against their own interests? The general public has zero effect with the soapbox & Stalinist counted ballot box, the jury box is compromised and/or circumvented, and the ammo box is trumped by the drone & nuclear weapon box, if there isn't mutiny in support of our side, liberty.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on October 28, 2014, 09:51:43 PM

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:14:14 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on October 28, 2014, 06:10:12 PM

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

Votes are counted in an impartial way that allows for whoever has the most votes to win an election.

To say/imply that someone would not win an election despite receiving the most votes only because of their views is just crazy

In a utopia, yes. In the dystopia we live in, no.

I would say that many people would need to be elected to get these kinds of laws changed but it is still possible.

Ever since the washington post published their article about how prevalent this is on a local level the general public has make it known that this is not a popular thing for the government to take money from (possible criminals) so it is very well possible that this kind of practice could get discontinued with the current politicians in office

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Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:14:14 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on October 28, 2014, 06:10:12 PM

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

Votes are counted in an impartial way that allows for whoever has the most votes to win an election.

To say/imply that someone would not win an election despite receiving the most votes only because of their views is just crazy

In a utopia, yes. In the dystopia we live in, no.

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Quote from: traderman on October 28, 2014, 08:18:24 PM

Good luck with that one! LOL!

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Well I would say that what the IRS is doing is not illegal. It is following the law, which gives them the authority to seize assets like this. So a lawsuit would do no good as no tort has been done and no crime has been committed. If you want to stop the IRS from being able to do this then the law needs to be changed

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Good luck with that one! LOL!

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on October 28, 2014, 06:10:12 PM

Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

Votes are counted in an impartial way that allows for whoever has the most votes to win an election.

To say/imply that someone would not win an election despite receiving the most votes only because of their views is just crazy

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This type of taking is strongly opposed by the Institute for Justice, which is why I support them with my donations.

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Quote from: funtotry on October 28, 2014, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

Not when the ones who refuse to allow economic liberty count the votes.

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Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Other law enforcement agencies have similar authority. Also the IRS does not simply take the money, they get a court order to have the court garnish money on the IRS's behalf. This is allowed as per statues.

A lawsuit is not a good approach to this problem. A more efficient way in getting this ability changed would be to vote for political leaders who would be willing to get these statues (laws) changed.

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I bet they been doing it illegally from the start but this just became official now that's really scary to even began with. Embarrassed

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Quote from: Aswan on October 28, 2014, 08:51:46 AM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Because we don't rob people by force.

Actually, the process for overcoming the IRS is method for living. In other words, how many people work for the IRS, or support family and friends using IRS pay? And what about the Congress who won't make themselves knowledgeable enough to show us that the IRS is a company just like any other company?

While most of us don't rob people by force, we DO work within the system, many leaders of which DO rob people by force. Our jobs use funds we receive as pay from them, and we support their activity of robbing people, not by force, but by sneaky "theft." And we do it out of ignorance.

How do we know that we are ignorant? The United sates has a total land and water area of about 9,826,630 - http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.shtml. Yet, we allow ourselves to be crammed into big cities that use only a miniscule fraction of the land area. And we tell ourselves that we have to do it for a job. And the job supports all kinds of corporation "crooks and thieves" who rob us just enough so that we can't get out of the big cities and enjoy our lives. Rather, we are forced to stay and play their game... by our ignorance.

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Quote from: phillipsjk on October 28, 2014, 02:51:12 AM

Thanks is seems that you are right, on occasion the US Feds will target individuals using 'structuring' claims, even if the individuals are not drug dealers.

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Pretty much, plus you got all these anon crypto like Darkcoin and all that! I think this cartoon is quite appropriate!

http://razorsforex.blogspot.com/2014/06/why-i-like-darkcoin-and-anonymous.html

Quote from: Q7 on October 28, 2014, 09:01:54 AM

Every bitcoin address is going to be the equivalent or should i say better than swiss bank account

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Every bitcoin address is going to be the equivalent or should i say better than swiss bank account

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Quote from: bornil267645 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:13 AM

Why should IRS are the only organization to have this kind of authority. Why cant we, the bitcoin community make our own lawsuit to fight against government.

Because we don't rob people by force.

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