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Quote from: Dictator69 on October 06, 2023, 03:04:36 PM

theymos has the most of the BTC and as per LoyceV's Post, which I stated above, theymos has around 755 BTC on that address.

What are you up to? If only you would have checked that address, you would have seen it's empty. You're quoting old data and taking it out of context. Either way, the post you linked was about forum funds, not theymos' personal funds. Forum funds are still public knowledge, personal funds are, you guessed it: personal.

If you want to dig theymos' financials, at least make it fun:

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My 0.003 trades were actually below the market rate of the time, and may in fact be the lowest-value BTC trades ever. I had measured that it only cost me 0.0007 USD per BTC in electricity (at 7.8 difficulty), so 0.003 seemed sufficient to me...

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Quote from: Dictator69 on October 06, 2023, 03:04:36 PM

I was reading some topic few days ago, and that topic led me to this post of LoyceV where I read that, theymos address has 750 BTC and I did not believe it. Then I checked the theymos profile, and an address was mentioned there, and I checked it on blockchair explorer and found out that, there are 2 addresses connected to it one is of BCH and one is of BTC. Well, on checking, he has around 388.96 BTC. Then I came to get the idea of finding out how many BTC does the administrators of this forum have. It is possible that these administrators might have other addresses containing more BTC, but my way is simple.

I went to each profile and checked the address mentioned there on blockchair for the amount of BTC they have received or sent.

First of all bitcointalk does not have "Administrators", we have only ~~one~~ two "Administrator" that is theymos. Yes Bitcointalk have moderators and staff. (Edit: I forgot Cyrus also holds Administrator position)

Secondly I don't know why we should be calculating how much BTC theymos or forum administrators are holding? Does it have anything to do with bitcointalk forum?

Yeah you can check how much donations forum has received this information is available https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html for quite some time.

Or may you just want to say how much bitcointalk forum is paying to it's Staff or Moderators? Of course that's something confidential info you can't calculate just based on some random public bitcoin address.

Forum has some expenses other then hosting or maintenance expense, moderators who working to make sure bitcoin it does not turn into garbage

Also once theymos said moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees.

Quote from: theymos on January 10, 2015, 11:09:50 PM

About 25% of ad income goes to the forum moderators as thanks for all of their work. (There are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees.)

FYI above quote was true when there was advertisement on the forum, which has been stopped so we don't know if its still true, but moderators should be seen as volunteers should be true.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on October 06, 2023, 03:52:25 PM

I understand that some members have no reason to hide their Bitcoin holdings, but I see no reason to make it public either. For example, I have nothing to hide, but I still want to exercise my right to privacy. No one needs to know how many Bitcoins I have in my possession, just as no one needs to know how much money I have in the bank or in a private safe.

As for the mods and admins, I believe most of them are very well aware of how to keep their Bitcoin holdings safe, and I doubt they have made their cold store addresses public.

I completely agree. There are people who like to stick their noses into the keyhole to look into their neighbor's wallet. I think this is a very bad trait, and I’m sure the OP would be against it if we were discussing his personal affairs here. OP, looking into someone else’s wallet and counting other people’s money gives rise to envy and, as a result, bad illnesses. Am I seeing merit hunters again?

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Quote from: komisariatku on October 06, 2023, 08:23:42 PM

What is your motivation for sharing their address? Additionally, is there any guarantee that they are not using multiple wallets? So I don't see the urgency of this thread except spreading people's privacy to the public.

They are great people contributing to the forum. I don't think it's ethical to create a thread like this even though the address can be found on the forum.

What do you mean by privacy? Are they trying to hide their balance from the public eye? If that's the case, they should consider using a different Bitcoin address on their profile. On Theymos' profile page, there's a BTC address visible to anyone. This means that Theymos isn't really keeping their wallet completely confidential.

That's a wallet that we can know about and is allowed to be publicized. As for the number of wallets owned by Theymos, that might be one of the secrets that can't be disclosed.

I'm sure Theymos' wealth in the address displayed on the profile page isn't all of it. In other words, it's one of the wallets that can be publicly tracked, given the transparent nature of the blockchain. The exact amount of Theymos' wealth is unknown. There's nothing wrong with the original poster's inquiry, and I don't think there's any intention to intrude on someone else's privacy.

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I don't really see any need for this topic because what they have should be their private business and not important to any of us. Some administrators of this forum are early to Bitcoin so if they have good number of Bitcoin, it simply means they got then when it was easier. I even learnt there was a time they were gifting people as much as 5BTC for simple task like signing up in a website. Those of them that believed in Bitcoin right from time, held those easy BTC till date. So, it is not really supposed to be a subject of discussion here as that is their private assets.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 06, 2023, 07:42:24 PM

Agreed. While it might be a neat-o thing to know if the people who make bitcointalk happen are bitcoin ballers, it's not a question I'd ever ask--and for the same reason I wouldn't ask any member here how much they've got.

Quote from: Helena Yu on October 07, 2023, 12:38:03 AM

I don't understand with users who're saying @OP is exposing forum staffs' privacy when they're the one who share it. If someone share address, everyone can view that and there's nothing wrong. But it's wrong when they have an another address which never been posted, you share it to everyone.

OP's intention wasn't against their privacy though. We must make this clear.

I believe OP may not know that the address you put on your bitcointalk profile may be one of the many addresses the user owns.

In fact, OP can use my profile as a reference. I have set a vanity address starting with 1Apogio which is my username here. I have exposed this address on purpose. Perhaps someone wants to send me some sats, or perhaps I do some transactions on the marketplace here. This is the address I want other users to know. I may have private keys that derive other addresses too. Who knows?!

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I don't understand with users who're saying @OP is exposing forum staffs' privacy when they're the one who share it. If someone share address, everyone can view that and there's nothing wrong. But it's wrong when they have an another address which never been posted, you share it to everyone.

I'm sure if such amount isn't the total Bitcoins they have.

Guessing their total Bitcoins is like guessing how many Bitcoins are lost forever.

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I do believe that address you mention it is not their personal address like their cold wallet take a look at mprep do u believe the admin of this forum don't have any single btc at all hahahha.

and I also believe that some of user in this forum have their own personal address that never said the address publicly, for their own safety, privacy etc.

Tho what I believe is this forum has a large reserve of BTC but we dont know the address and how much is it.

"Finally, bitcointalk.org has a large reserve of BTC, so we're able to continue operating without ad revenue for many years. It's not even necessary to cut expenses or find replacement sources of revenue anytime soon, and I currently have no solid plans to do these things. I do regard it as less than ideal to be operating at a constant loss, especially because it constraints any desired future growth in expenses. Improving this situation will be on my mind in the coming years, but luckily it need not be a high priority." - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60976136

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Happy to know that we have some forum admins with a good number of Bitcoin. and that is just expected since of all people they are one of the most enthusiastic and believers of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Anyway, I think this is something that should not actually be talked so much as what they are holding is of private concern though they can still be traced if we want to though no one can be sure how much BTC a person is holding because it would be easy to create a wallet and not share the address to anyone. In conclusion, I am actually wondering what is the main purpose why we are sharing this information here.

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What is your motivation for sharing their address? Additionally, is there any guarantee that they are not using multiple wallets? So I don't see the urgency of this thread except spreading people's privacy to the public.

They are great people contributing to the forum. I don't think it's ethical to create a thread like this even though the address can be found on the forum.

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Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 03:28:13 PM

Hey man. Well personally I dont believe we have anything to gain from knowing how much BTC anyone owns.

Agreed. While it might be a neat-o thing to know if the people who make bitcointalk happen are bitcoin ballers, it's not a question I'd ever ask--and for the same reason I wouldn't ask any member here how much they've got. It's none of my damn business unless for some reason it is my business, and since I have no stake in the forum's funds or the earnings/holdings of the moderators I'm not looking to see any data on that.

I mean, come on. This is bitcoin we're talking about. You know, cryptocurrency. I'm fairly certain that along with cryptography being used in the code to make the network secure and functional, the spirit behind it is that there ought to be as much anonymity among its users as humanly possible. Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous of course, but blabbing about people's holdings in a thread? Eh, I wouldn't go there.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on October 06, 2023, 06:29:52 PM

Their is something I want to ask, what does how much bitcoin theymos and the head administrators has have to do with bitcointalk.org forum, knowing the amount of Bitcoin in possession of administrators is not time wasted, because even though you know it will not implies anything, what I don't know is how forum the is being managed and if their is a necessary charge being subscribed by theymos every month or every year, its what I don't know, so I'm using this opportunity to ask if this forum do pay a monthly or an annual tax to any arm's of government. And those bitcoin that op mentioned I know that it was achieved or gotten from donations and what is it for?

AFAIK, that fund will be used on the forum to maintain domain cost, staff costs, and their salary.
I didn't hear about the annual tax or any tax payment, which I think is unnecessary since the forum is decentralized. Have you ever heard that signature campaign participants paid taxes through their signature campaign earnings? I think that scenario is the same.

IMO this thread isn't accurate and isn't necessary.
They can hide their assets and create a new wallet as their cold storage. We can't really measure how really much Bitcoin they have.

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Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 03:28:13 PM

Quote from: Dictator69 on October 06, 2023, 03:04:36 PM

To be honest, I thought the administrators might have thousands of BTC in their holding as they are the ones who made it this far from the start. But I think they don't have that much BTC, or I might be missing the right addresses to check. And I don't really think mprep has none BTC, he might not have written his main account in his profile.

Hey man. Well personally I dont believe we have anything to gain from knowing how much BTC anyone owns.

Exactly, how many they have or don’t have doesn’t go to prove anything. Besides, you can’t completely tie them up to those addresses, they can have many more addresses that you or anyone else don’t know about and that’s okay and solely there business too. No need bringing someone else’s business with regards to there holdings to public notice. Leave it be and concentrate on trying to accumulate some yourself at OP. Privacy is still a part to the bitcoin idea and I think it would be great if you leave it that way with this one. Like I said, it’s unnecessary!

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Their is something I want to ask, what does how much bitcoin theymos and the head administrators has have to do with bitcointalk.org forum, knowing the amount of Bitcoin in possession of administrators is not time wasted, because even though you know it will not implies anything, what I don't know is how forum the is being managed and if their is a necessary charge being subscribed by theymos every month or every year, its what I don't know, so I'm using this opportunity to ask if this forum do pay a monthly or an annual tax to any arm's of government. And those bitcoin that op mentioned I know that it was achieved or gotten from donations and what is it for?

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I really appreciate on the hard time that Op has spent to gather those data. But you can't totally determine how much Bitcoin do they have, only the Bitcoin they get from here. Some of them are using multiple addresses and I think none of them will expose the Btc they have if possible.

One of the possible reason why they didn't change the address:

1. As what I have noticed here in Bitcointalk, if possible, there is no changing of addresses, just like what theymos did.

2. Those addresses can be used to recover your account especially if you put it in your profile.

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Because the assets are personal, I don't believe it is necessary for the forum community to be aware. Perhaps because you have already done this or before you did it, they have moved it to another add moved because, as individual holders, we do not want others to know about it because we desire as much anonymity as possible.

That's why you did it; you revealed their holdings based on your investigation here on the forum site. Were the people whose identities you mentioned on this platform notified, or did you obtain their permission first? In any case, you did it. What is your point in bringing this up? What advantages do we have here?

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Quote from: Dictator69 on October 06, 2023, 03:04:36 PM

To be honest, I thought the administrators might have thousands of BTC in their holding as they are the ones who made it this far from the start.

Broken logic. It's not always the case. Do you think an oldtime holder won't spend their bitcoin? What's the purpose of holding it, just for show that i have this kind of numbers? And become rich virtually?

Well, with those numbers, you could say at least its their average holdings, users here are not that open for public viewing.

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Nobody will be stupid enough to keep all their bitcoin on one wallet, talk more of the wallet that was provided here. It is advisable that one shouldn't keep all his bitcoin in one wallet, but in various wallets, so that when one wallet is compromise, it will not be all your bitcoin that is gone but just some fraction of your bitcoin. This is the reason why your information doesn't have all the fact of number of bitcoin that the staffs have in their custody. I don't understand why you chose to use you precious time to know how many bitcoin is in the staff's wallet that was pasted here.

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OP, you really have a lot of time on your hands. If it were possible, I would have borrowed your time, since you have plenty to waste around.

Having a bitcoin address on the profile does not signify
1. That is the person's main address for receiving Bitcoins
2. The total number of received Bitcoins in that address isn't the total amount that person currently owns

A good example is the addresses on my profile. It received only ‎0.0362 BTC in 16 transactions since 2019. Does that mean that's the total number of bitcoin I have received in the past 4 years?

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 06, 2023, 04:39:04 PM

Ok thanks for this, but I really don't know what we can get out of this data? I mean what purpose that it will served knowing the administrators BTC in their possession or how much they have right now?

Maybe this has made me know how rich theymos is;
This will give me the reassurance that theymos will continue to pay for the domain of this forum for a long time;
The data will also make you understand that Welsh is a rich staff Grin

Quote from: Baofeng on October 06, 2023, 04:39:04 PM

I'm sorry but this is non-sense, sorry to burst the bubble @OP. Unless you are a tax collector, Wink

Op would have made further efforts by including that of satoshi to the data. It is obviously that of Satoshi's address that people are so interested to know and to claim.

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