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Quote from: Lumen111 on December 06, 2017, 11:26:56 AM

They are completely legal, as they do not violate the laws of their jurisdiction.
They do not need to buy licenses and pay taxes.
The server, the Internet and the software product are all that is needed for a full-fledged work.

I think you are wrong on this matter. Take Primedice as an example. It is forbidden in USA to gamble online, but that's not the matter now. The casino is registered in Japan (form what I've found on the Internet), where some forms of land-based gambling are allowed and "Japanese government allows online betting for lottery, soccer toto, and public sport". I don't think dice is any of the above and yet, as the law on gambling is enforced rarely, they keep going.
Even if I'm wrong about PrimeDice, I am sure most of casinos are operating half-legal, mostly being registered in the countries without certain laws on gambling.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 08, 2017, 12:06:12 PM

I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it. Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions.

I do not think that you can say like that easy, there are many sites that operate more than 2 years turn out scam everyone out, saying that they being hacked or say any other thing which is unreasonable. You need to have some solid proof for this license but in bitcoin industry I do not think that they want to give out the real data because we need this anonymous

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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions.

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling.

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal. There are more options available because it can be both legal and illegal at the same time very much like the famous Schrodinger's cat which can be simultaneously dead and alive.

LOL did you seriously just compare a simple question about online casino legality to the incresibly complex problem of Schroedinger's Cat?
Again, LOL

That is funny, but you do have a point. Depending on which state something can be considered illegal in the state but federally legal, and vice-versa.

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Quote from: thirdprize on December 05, 2017, 10:31:11 AM

You know, have the correct licenses, etc. Just curious.

The biggest ones, often requiring identification too, are mostly legal.
The vast majority of the smaller ones definitely aren't though and with a good reason: It's way too much work for a small casino!

Cryptocurrencies especially make it easy to avoid going through the legal work.

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Quote from: thirdprize on December 05, 2017, 10:31:11 AM

You know, have the correct licenses, etc. Just curious.

The biggest ones, often requiring identification too, are mostly legal.
The vast majority of the smaller ones definitely aren't though and with a good reason: It's way too much work for a small casino!

Anyways, like others have said, it differs per country. Not only your's, but also the country the casino is being operated from. I'd say it doesn't really matter though.
You can probably trust the bigger ones that they got the right papers and the smaller ones most likely won't be shut down by the government either.

Anyways, back to your question: Big ones, a lot. Small ones, almost none.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 08, 2017, 12:06:12 PM

I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions.

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling.

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal. There are more options available because it can be both legal and illegal at the same time very much like the famous Schrodinger's cat which can be simultaneously dead and alive.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on December 08, 2017, 11:10:30 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 08, 2017, 12:06:12 PM

I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions.

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling.

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

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I always advise others and even myself to trust sites that are having strong paperwork and government licenses supporting their project work. People and employees would like to work on the project that is liked and supported by the government. I have heard many sites that are running on the Loopholes and I don't support or indulge on those sites as they are against the government.

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I would say most of these Bitcoin gambling sites are unregulated. Think about it, if BTC is unregulated for even normal businesses obviously it is going to be regulated for the gambling ones.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 08, 2017, 12:06:12 PM

I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions.

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling.

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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it. Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on December 05, 2017, 11:02:49 AM

I bet most of them are in a loophole. They are based on some tax haven and they have all the correct papers to establish a business there but to operate in certain countries you must have a legal license.

In my country, fiat casinos not having a license are blocked but I can access all the crypto ones and that’s just because there is a loophole.

Agree with you.However it is not their fault entirely,bitcoin itself is under a big loophole when it comes to regulations.It's hard to make a law against the services that use the parent entity.

Quote from: thirdprize on December 05, 2017, 10:31:11 AM

You know, have the correct licenses, etc. Just curious.

Most of the gambling sites go register themselves with some 3rd world countries where the government isn't aware or doesn't have any laws with cyber crimes.The legit sites have warnings such as "American Players Are Not Allowed".

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Licence is the least important thing for Dice sites in my opinion

This is true to be honest, the most thing on bitcoin dice sites here are about trust, population about how many players gamble on that dice sites and promotion. I don't know is this also apply to bitcoin sportsbook, but nitrogensports who is not licensed (cmiiw) is very popular bitcoin sportsbook.

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They 100% legal (some of them) they runing from country wich allowing online gambling or have no policy or rule for it. for US some state make rule for online casino and ban it

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I think most of the gambling sites are legal in EU countries or USA. So I do not think they are many illegal sites there.

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Quote from: thirdprize on December 05, 2017, 10:31:11 AM

You know, have the correct licenses, etc. Just curious.

I think there is just a few who have full documents to operate gambling sites. You could tell by the name gambling, yes some can win but many will lose and that alone makes them hard to comply to make papers and documents to make sites for gambling. Eventhough there are more gambling sites that have enough documents it is really hard to know which sites are legal and not.

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even with proper paper work ect make sure they give money and people have had sucess as some of the sites are not us bound or w/e country. can leave like that and nothing u can do.

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Quote from: thirdprize on December 05, 2017, 10:31:11 AM

You know, have the correct licenses, etc. Just curious.

I am willing to bet " pun intended lol " that many of this sites are not regulated by the American government or any government for that matter. I think many of this are run by early bitcoin investors who now have alot of bitcoin funds. This allows them to bank roll all operations smoothly.

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Quote from: thirdprize on December 05, 2017, 10:31:11 AM

You know, have the correct licenses, etc. Just curious.

i think the license is important no matter which country you belong to . Its really important that the a person has all the paper work to start such a work. But, still with all these license and paper work the casinos scam. So, people should watch out for that.

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Actually if the casino have license than that doesn't mean they can't scam you by altering their terms and conditions. When you want to play with crypto than its might be best to play in casino without any license so you will not be liable of any type of legal issues. If you are gambling with bitcoin than you might also want to hide your identity.

Casino offering provably fair games + good trust + exit for years is enough to play with.

Found this about bitcoin casino + licenses, might be worth for reading https://bitcoingamblingreviews.com/bitcoin-casinos-licences/

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