I have an alt with some negative trust. It was gifted to me by a scammer. I tried to give it to Vod once. He didn't want it. 
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Topic: How many red trust users are ACTUALLY scammers? (Read 2749 times)
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I have an alt with some negative trust. It was gifted to me by a scammer. I tried to give it to Vod once. He didn't want it.
We've been promised a new trust system and a new forum for years now.
But your account was registered in February?
Same old shit different day supposed newbies with years of forum experience
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We've been promised a new trust system and a new forum for years now.
But your account was registered in February?
I see the only people moaning here are those left with negative trust for asking for no collateral loans or other shady practices. So surprise really .
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It all makes sense now... you've been trying to shutdown scammers to eliminate the "competition" of your own scamming through an alt that you probably purchased from one of the glorious account scalpers! 
That actually describes Quickseller.
I have only one account, and I dislike the sale and use of alternate accounts. To me there is no reason other than to eventually scam.
+1 to this Vod. The sales and trading of accounts pisses me the fuck off.
Not sure if all red users deserve their trust rating. I know personally I think that my red trust ratings are fine the way they are until I get my site fully launched and investors dividends rolling out at a fair rate.
This came across my mind just after seeing another member given red trust complain on the forum. It's obvious that red trust is ugly, and basically f*cks up your forum profile and reduces your trust to dust. But, do people who got red trust actually deserve it? I feel as if red trust is given out too easily. I see no point in marking a newbie asking for a loan, a scammer. It's too easy to assume they will run-off. Funny, because people refer to bitcointalk as a great place to get a loan, so why not make an account and ask for a loan if you actually need one?
The point is, how many people who have red trust would scam you if they could. I see red trust for any reason nowadays, whether it's selling illegal items, a potential alt, or even for selling disagreeable items like Microsoft keys. It makes me wonder, what % of red trust users are scammers? My guess: 70%. What's your guess?
Most of them probably are not. Lots of people leave negative feedback for things like requesting a no collateral loan, or running a ponzi website.The point is, how many people who have red trust would scam you if they could. I see red trust for any reason nowadays, whether it's selling illegal items, a potential alt, or even for selling disagreeable items like Microsoft keys. It makes me wonder, what % of red trust users are scammers? My guess: 70%. What's your guess?
And newbies asking for loans do not know it is wrong by forum rules, they are not given a chance.
It would be best when someone signs up for an account to read some rules ( threads) ,stipulating certain conditions loans etc) what they must do/or do not concerning the forum.
Agree to the said rules under a written warning, ticks agree then continues on.
In my opinion.
This came across my mind just after seeing another member given red trust complain on the forum. It's obvious that red trust is ugly, and basically f*cks up your forum profile and reduces your trust to dust. But, do people who got red trust actually deserve it? I feel as if red trust is given out too easily. I see no point in marking a newbie asking for a loan, a scammer. It's too easy to assume they will run-off. Funny, because people refer to bitcointalk as a great place to get a loan, so why not make an account and ask for a loan if you actually need one?
The point is, how many people who have red trust would scam you if they could. I see red trust for any reason nowadays, whether it's selling illegal items, a potential alt, or even for selling disagreeable items like Microsoft keys. It makes me wonder, what % of red trust users are scammers? My guess: 70%. What's your guess?
Most of them probably are not. Lots of people leave negative feedback for things like requesting a no collateral loan, or running a ponzi website. The point is, how many people who have red trust would scam you if they could. I see red trust for any reason nowadays, whether it's selling illegal items, a potential alt, or even for selling disagreeable items like Microsoft keys. It makes me wonder, what % of red trust users are scammers? My guess: 70%. What's your guess?
Just to add-on to this topic, the fact that trust is not moderated is a joke.
I would prefer that than a staff member removing everything that they didn't like. Not that any of the current staff would.I've seen scammers spam other users profiles with red to make them look bad. Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418
And they can have any actual trust spam removed by contacting theymos about it. In past times where I have been spammed with negatives I had them removed in a matter of hours. However, multiple negative feedbacks != spam.No one should care about untrusted feedback that doesn't leave proof anyway.
Funny how people can get away with putting any trust they want, and "trust abuse" is not against any rule here. It's asking for straight corruption.
See my above point. Trust spam is against the rules.We've been promised a new trust system...
Please point out where these promises were made. All I know about a new trust system is that theymos did a survey about a new implementation, and the majority voted to keep the current system.bitcoin is shit and satoshy sold his majority of the shit while the price was highest and now only thermosy,jonny,suchmoony can profit from it and no one else. fuckk
Then stop using it if you find it so shitty. No one is asking or forcing you to be here.Also Satoshi didn't sell anything, he left. I've profited thousands of dollars from Bitcoin, where do I fit into this equation?
this trust is just made to destroy the profiles of people who dont agree to them and to improve their own shits.It will be like this forever. scam scam scam & scam.
No. Default trust was made to protect people. Vod is a nice guy, PM him in a month or two and he will probably remove the feedback for you as long as you've contributed in some way.
what a troll DT has turned into ,i cant control myself maidak ..master p ..vod etc..etc.,how much more fucking with the population ?
The examples you have pointed out are either invalid (Vod isn't a scammer) or can happen in any sort of system. Next please.Vod be prepared to get removed. I first thought i could let this go but i need to do this for others newbies whom u want to fuck out of no where,u troll.
Vod won't be removed. He's annoyed a lot of newbies by posting negative feedback before; one that professes how shitty Bitcoin is isn't going to have him removed from default trust. Stop crying because you got a negative feedback and work it out with Vod to fix it.And i also think it's Trust rating system.
NOT a scammer rating system. (look at the topic title = comments)
The two can be linked, but you're right. NOT a scammer rating system. (look at the topic title = comments)
All of them but me
seriously though it's hard to say it is used as a weapon a lot here.
And i also think it's Trust rating system.
NOT a scammer rating system. (look at the topic title = comments)
Seems to me people just think it is what ever they want it to be.. regardless of reality.
Such as a "Troll rating System" or "High School Popularity Contest" rating system etc
Trust ?
Who has confirmed violated it in the crypto scene ?
seriously though it's hard to say it is used as a weapon a lot here.
And i also think it's Trust rating system.
NOT a scammer rating system. (look at the topic title = comments)
Seems to me people just think it is what ever they want it to be.. regardless of reality.
Such as a "Troll rating System" or "High School Popularity Contest" rating system etc
Trust ?
Who has confirmed violated it in the crypto scene ?
We've been promised a new trust system and a new forum for years now.
we have been promised to see god but r we seeing ? because we motherfuckers dont unite and deserve this.
bitcoin is shit and satoshy sold his majority of the shit while the price was highest and now only thermosy,jonny,suchmoony can profit from it and no one else. fuckk
this trust is just made to destroy the profiles of people who dont agree to them and to improve their own shits.It will be like this forever. scam scam scam & scam.
what a troll DT has turned into ,i cant control myself maidak ..master p ..vod etc..etc.,how much more fucking with the population ?
Vod be prepared to get removed. I first thought i could let this go but i need to do this for others newbies whom u want to fuck out of no where,u troll.
We've been promised a new trust system and a new forum for years now.
I'm not surprised Quickseller posted here. He has not scammed. Let's see the rule again:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Chances are you're another one of his alt accounts.
The odds of that statement being true are slim to none. Your logic to me sometimes make no sense, while other times your logic astounds everyone with how you came to the conclusion. I feel like sometimes you just post with your fingers. That goes for alot of defaulttrust users. There's a problem. Just because I am standing for something that's right, it doesn't mean I'm on his team, or I am Quickseller. Odds are I am a bystander who's giving the honest opinion.
Everybody wants to be right, not everyone can. Chances are't that I'm Quickseller's alt. I look down on users who like to fight and cause a havoc. Don't be the police officer that has to shoot innocent people dead because they won't listen, just do your job and stay calm, and be smart. It seems like most users here have a struggle doing so, especially the default trust users. I'm not insulting, but rather pinpointing the exact problem. Your post said it all for me.
Yes, I realize that was an inappropriate post, so I edited it earlier.
Ahh that's better.
Just to add-on to this topic, the fact that trust is not moderated is a joke. I've seen scammers spam other users profiles with red to make them look bad. Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418
Funny how people can get away with putting any trust they want, and "trust abuse" is not against any rule here. It's asking for straight corruption.
I'm not surprised Quickseller posted here. He has not scammed. Let's see the rule again:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Chances are you're another one of his alt accounts.
The odds of that statement being true are slim to none. Your logic to me sometimes make no sense, while other times your logic astounds everyone with how you came to the conclusion. I feel like sometimes you just post with your fingers. That goes for alot of defaulttrust users. There's a problem. Just because I am standing for something that's right, it doesn't mean I'm on his team, or I am Quickseller. Odds are I am a bystander who's giving the honest opinion.
Everybody wants to be right, not everyone can. Chances are't that I'm Quickseller's alt. I look down on users who like to fight and cause a havoc. Don't be the police officer that has to shoot innocent people dead because they won't listen, just do your job and stay calm, and be smart. It seems like most users here have a struggle doing so, especially the default trust users. I'm not insulting, but rather pinpointing the exact problem. Your post said it all for me.
Yes, I realize that was an inappropriate post, so I edited it earlier.
It was a knee-jerk post caused by the reaction that someone still thinks QS didn't scam. I'm not surprised Quickseller posted here. He has not scammed. Let's see the rule again:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Chances are you're another one of his alt accounts.
The odds of that statement being true are slim to none. Your logic to me sometimes make no sense, while other times your logic astounds everyone with how you came to the conclusion. I feel like sometimes you just post with your fingers. That goes for alot of defaulttrust users. There's a problem. Just because I am standing for something that's right, it doesn't mean I'm on his team, or I am Quickseller. Odds are I am a bystander who's giving the honest opinion.
Everybody wants to be right, not everyone can. Chances are't that I'm Quickseller's alt. I look down on users who like to fight and cause a havoc. Don't be the police officer that has to shoot innocent people dead because they won't listen, just do your job and stay calm, and be smart. It seems like most users here have a struggle doing so, especially the default trust users. I'm not insulting, but rather pinpointing the exact problem. Your post said it all for me.
I'm not surprised Quickseller posted here. He has not scammed. Let's see the rule again:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
this is just to show their control..cliques dont Grow Up.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13499022
I'm not surprised Quickseller posted here. He has not scammed. Let's see the rule again:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Are you another one of his alt accounts?
I'm not surprised Quickseller posted here. He has not scammed. Let's see the rule again:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
The odds of Quickseller scamming are slim to none. Same goes for the red trust given to users like dooglus... it makes no sense.
I have only one account, and I dislike the sale and use of alternate accounts. To me there is no reason other than to eventually scam.
Ummm, what do you call this:- Official PICISI - despite it currently having zero posts, it was used to impersonate Armis's PICISI project
- Offical PICISI
- pickissy
Ummm, I would call those accounts I gave away to another person before I went sailing. He was supposed to continue the fight against Armis' scam, but I guess he didn't. Look at their last login date - I have no control over over those accounts anymore and haven't for months.
In full disclosure, you should also add WhatsUpEdmonton to your "list". I created that account when my account was hacked and I needed to communicate with Theymos. See the last login date?
Hope this clears it up for you. I have only one account.
I have only one account, and I dislike the sale and use of alternate accounts. To me there is no reason other than to eventually scam.
Ummm, what do you call this:- Official PICISI - despite it currently having zero posts, it was used to impersonate Armis's PICISI project
- Offical PICISI
- pickissy
Bot accounts are sensible because it separate automated activities (information scraping, APIs, campaign moderating bots etc) away from human activities. Or "official" accounts like BITMAIN, which is an entity rather than a person. Other than that I really can't think of a legitimate use/need for "alt" accounts.
Making a controversial statement that might negatively impact the reputation of the person making such statement. Being able to insulate yourself when someone you have done business with attempts to extort you and damage your reputation. To answer the question in the OP - some people with negative/red trust were not able to actually scam from others, but instead attempted to do so, for example someone asking for a no collateral loan with a throwaway account, offering a too-good-to-be-true offer, but refusing escrow and insisting the other party to go first, ect..
There are also some accounts who are an alt of a scammer, or of someone who attempted to scam, and since the same person is behind such account, it would be logical that it be appropriate for the alt accounts to have such negative reputation.
There seem to be a growing number of instances in which negative trust is left for no reason other then the person disagrees with the account he is leaving negative trust for. For example one person likes to leave negative trust for those who sell MSDN keys despite the risks of buying such keys is disclosed, and a few people like to leave negative trust for anyone who believe that a site/company might not be a scam when the person leaving such trust believes that it is a scam.
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