Topic: How much can world governments control (strangle) bitcoin? (Read 2088 times)

Should States Pay Attention to Bitcoin?

As the virtual currency climbs in popularity and value, state regulators would be wise to start figuring out a way to make it safe and user-friendly in their borders, experts say.

Article here: http://t.co/IHBPVuA363

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I am sure CIA introduced all the opium and forced the farmers to grow them at gun point. What else do they have to do, grow it for them?

Apparently you would think the chemical weapons storage and research facility found in Sargat, northern Iraq was a detergent factory. Not to mention trace amount of chemical weapons.

But I am sure you want to pretend those kurds gassed by saddam died from all the republican guard passing gas in their direction.

Following a trend is not a way to view anything objectively. Take note.

What a dork!

What about the CIA in Afghanistan and the Opium? And where are the weapons of mass destruction in irak? GFY!

Ah yes. US government is directly responsible for the sectarian and civilian violence that has been fester in that region by their own volition even before saddam hussein came into power. It MUST be US fault that Iraqis squandered away a chance to be rid of a feudal strong man and somehow get themselves back together. No, it is always the fault of US that Iraqis couldn't pull out of the bag what other nations in worse situations achieved and more.

Direct US caused civilian casualties are less than the number of people in developed worlds dying every year from auto accidents. Out of a nation of over 30 million, that's fairly tame compared to what a real all out war could have entailed.

Afghanistan, I would love to hear you try and justify how that was even worse than Soviet invasion.


The myopia of self-righteous people who conveniently ignore all evidence to the contrary is amazing. You seem to enjoy the idea that US should be held responsible for a woman breaking her water in the middle of a warzone while ignoring the fact that those people, sovereign nations as they are, also have a responsibility not to allow some dictator wannabe to take over their nation and invade and sack two nations in less than a decade after just coming into power.

Obviously those poor oppressed people have no responsibility as a free and respectable culture. Never mind as a sovereign nation.

What the fuck is your problem with your own people and nation anyway? Are you so damn pampered that you just latch onto any shallow excuse to bitch and call that a moral right?

This is worse than listening to a self-hating jew. I think some reflection on fundamental motivation is necessary before anyone else starts thinking themselves as any kind of political revolutionary.

Edit: Balls. For Bitcoin. I heard it all. Jesus christ LOL the fuck is wrong with your head.

I don't brand anything as evil, I'm just pointing out what I see and as far as I'm concerned both sides are just as bad, also if I didn't have the balls to cope with the situation I wouldn't be in Bitcoin and be like a lot of people out there right now about it.

What is really important is not necessarily what they acted upon, but rather their core motivation as individuals. Anyone can try to ride the bandwagon of 'freedom of speech' and 'liberty', and expose 'secrets', but if that individual is nothing more than a poor imitator who tries to punk the MAN for shits and giggles, he might find himself being slapped around by reality. Snowden and Assange really does exemplify this well.

Think how incompetent and naive individuals could ruin a good cause simply due to their ignorance. Even worse, they delude themselves into thinking they are somehow pillars of morality while not even having an inkling of what those ideals entail in terms of dedication, proper understanding of real balance of power, and empathy to those who truly suffer in silence. All anyone can see is shallow and frankly pathetic self-congratulation of individuals who know nothing beyond their masturbatory delusions of moral high ground.

Have those 'revolutionaries' go and dig deep into the archives of KGB and SVR-FSB, or better yet, MSS. Let's see how fast they pull out when they realize there are those who don't give a shit about even a veneer of human rights.

I am being a realist about acknowledging the characteristics of the situation at hand. If you think you should just brand something as 'paranoid' because it makes you feel uncomfortable, I think you may have a VERY wrong idea about what it means to truly deal with a situation. If you can't face something like this without giving into feeling vulnerable enough to run away, maybe you are not cut out to deal with it in the first place.

It's a problem precisely because it is seemingly insurmountable. Not all problems are solved by walking down the red carpet laid out in front of you and is obvious to anyone with one eye open. You are supposed to break through such obstacles, not brand it as 'evil' and book it the first chance you get.

I could go into the numbers of Iraqi and Afghanistan civilians the U.S government has killed but then you'd go into denial even more oh and then there's the fact that your guys 'accidentally' shot British troops without bothering to check whether they were friendlies.

Haha now that's a first. Oh, those EVIL first world governments with deadly 500 people 'massacres' and 'police states' (swiping a bunch of wannabe internet revolutionaries who squeal like school girls when they get nailed) and 'human rights abuses' (God, how could they BELLY SLAP a prisoner?! How could they house them and feed them even 3 times a day and keep them alive so long in such INHUMANE conditions?!).

I think you might need to check yourself before thinking you know anything about what those words really mean. I don't think anyone who has actually lived in third world countries with the poor invisible victims (invisible because a bunch of soft-assed 'human rights activists' like to ignore their point of view and instead try to impose their version of 'human rights wrongs') would think of your statement regarding 'atrocities' as anything other than laughable.

Really. Get some proper perspective. Would you like to go hiking along Iranian border to issue a proclamation about the evils of the west while your at it?

The difference is that we already know about about it, we knew that something was going on behind the scenes in America but now we know for sure and I'm sorry but defending your 'side' just because they're your side is a bit like the way Republicans and Democrats always defend themselves no matter how big their fuck up was. Comparing Julian Assange and Edward Snowden to the likes of occupy wallstreet protesters just makes you look ridiculous especially when their actions have put everybody's alarms on and now the American government can't cause a thermonuclear war by pissing everyone off without our knowledge.

Frankly you sound like the classic cold war nut who still thinks the Russians and Chinese are all out to get you and they're still communists, fact is, most of them are like us and just don't give a fuck anymore.

I think you might need to understand that those 'heroes' couldn't even be bothered to go after really hard targets like Russia, China or arab nations with religious scruples that make inquisitors look tame. But no, they understood that those nations will not give a two penny fuck about some wannabe kid's moral conundrum made to feel heroic for themselves.

They are just cowards and wannabe revolutionaries who crave the notion of being seen as 'radical leaders against the MAN' or some childish and infantile mentality that could only be considered 'heroic' in a soft, pampered and complacent environment of the first world college students. The whole 'stand up against government spying' is nothing more than a convenient excuse that doesn't really mask a very laughable attitude of these kids playing at being a hero against the EVIL government.

When chips are down and they actually have to stand up personally against whatever they believe is the 'enemy', they run to very embassies and countries who commit such 'totalitarian' acts as par the course on a regular basis, and in all likelihood view such individuals as sad, pathetic and laughably naive. I am sure russians had a lot of fun toying with snowden and making him squeal.

As for the government spying, I really don't think you understand that they couldn't care less about 'embarrassing' details of nobodies who amusingly believe their personal affairs constitute the center of the universe. They do have vested interest in keeping tabs on enemy elements that try to exploit the complacent and gullible nature of our public, and eavesdropping on mindless 'problems' of individuals is just shifting through the chaff and getting to the wheat.

If you really want to know what government spying is, I suggest you try to live in a country where 'informers' and 'public order ministry' are a fact of life. While our government should conduct itself with greater efficiency and professionalism, people who can't even get their act together to act their age (as in, not idolizing obvious man-children) really lose the right to be held on high regard that is given at birth to citizens of first world nations.

Rights are inalienable by actions of others. However, they are definitely alienable by the virtue of your own actions. You are given the opportunity at birth to exercise those rights, instead of having to struggle and fight for them tooth and nail throughout your whole life as many of our ancestors did. However, that opportunity is dependent on your own actions as an individual. Those who demonstrate a clear lack of motivation and ability to correctly exercise themselves will find they will have no shoulder to cry on when called to account for their failings.

That means, holding your idea of 'heroes' to a higher standards. Not some mouthy albino fool with an attitude of a spoiled 15 year old school girl.

Right, because Snowden and Jullian assange are scum traitors that need to be hanged for exposing government tyranny, constitutional illegal spying on their citizens and allies, theft, police state, illegal wars, torture, massacres, human right abuses, etc, etc….

You really have no idea of anything do you

Good luck attacking Snowden and Julian in a liberty loving Bitcoin community, maybe you should look for the "i love the government, please spy on me more" forums.

Since they have never succeeded in eradicating the black market, they likely won't be able to stop it being used as the currency of the black market. And in that case, it's game over for fiat currencies.

lol sorry but I respect Julian Assange and Snowden quite a lot, you can't defend government spying if they hadn't had stood up to them who knows what would have happened?

Exactly. Most of the ones that are loudest aren't even all that poor. I have seen poor and lived along side them. 90% of the people in US who are 'poor' are laboring under a false impression that their largely self-inflicted lifestyle is somehow someone else's fault, while riding a private vehicle and buying cheap food at a local market store. Not to mention all the packs they buy for 6 bucks a pop daily.

The first thing really poor people tell those from US with that kind of attitude is 'stop crying'. That is, if they are even nice enough to feel pity for that kind of pathetic attitude instead of being really REALLY PISSED OFF.

With wannabe kids like Jullian Assange and Snowden being hailed as a 'hero of freedom', or incompetent and naive president being called a 'symbol of fairness and equality', it's little wonder that many truly suffering people outside of US regard all that bitching and moaning coming from these 'freedom fighters' and 'civil rights activists' as nothing more than a sad joke.

My ethnic minority status aside, what's wrong is wrong - and what is pathetic probably is how it seems.

If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, etc. etc.

P.S: Look up that one video about a CEO coming down to chastise the OWS kids. It's like watching a kindergarten principle talking down a bunch of whiny 5 year olds.

"Share the wealth!" "WAAHHHH WE WANT EQUALITY" ........."Go sell your 600 dollar iphone and invest that shit"

Not sure why you got offended when you heard the word "anon"

Anoncoin has nothing to do with the so called anons carrying their iPhones and screaming about ivory towers, you shouldn't link it to those protests (that were totally useless imo and mainly delusional socialist in nature). There are more real problems in the economy that they ignored and don't understand like the Fed and endless cost of living pressures and rising poverty.

The coin just uses the idea and branding of anon to create this new anonymous crypto currency. If you really think something like anoncoin cannot survive under a government crackdown you're delusional. Sure you can't cash out to USD but anoncoin will survive as a medium of exchange in the anonymous networks (that's the purpose of it). Look at silk road, shutdown, silk road v2, and many other silk roads poped up in the deep web they can't be stopped illegal or not.

The only way to shut it down is shutdown the internet and take back humanity to the stone ages.

To be honest Honeypot, I've come to understand exactly why rich people usually tend to live in gated communities with security guards protecting them when you hear the kind of talk coming out of peoples' mouths, it really is ignorant and I'm unemployed lol.

" due to their anon architecture that makes them government proof"

Ah the sweet illusion of those without knowledge of true sovereign power...

As if they had any trouble tracking down people who regarded themselves as the new 'revolutionaries of free speech'.


I don't know which is worse, the government that is slightly bent, or these fools without any proper knowledge or experience of political and economic power who thinks knocking on the very system that gurantees their soft lifestyle is a 'revolutionary' thing to do.

Watching anons is like watching occupy wall street movement. They scream about ivory tower feel good bullshit then whip out their 500 dollar smartphones and pick up latte at starbucks.

Well we've already seen what they're doing to exchanges like MTGOX but here's the thing, my nightmare scenario is when they start trying to confiscate and severely restrict the trade of Gold/Silver as many have done in the past. In order to buy this with cryptocurrencies the only thing you need is an address for the delivery company to go to and there are very few restrictions on trading that, you can even sell it for paper money pretty easily without needing to worry about ID's and so on.

That's my nightmare scenario, once they start trying to confiscate the precious metals and really start tightening the noose that's when we'll have a full blown dictatorship because a failing country always gets really desperate to keep capital from leaving.

If bitcoin is crushed by governments the price will crash to double or single digits. Bitcoin needs exchanges for large scale adoption.

If that happens, Cryptos like AnonCoin and Stablecoin will rise in value due to their anon architecture that makes them government proof. However they will remain largely underground and used for illegal purposes, as you'll never be able to cash them out legally.