How much is all of this stuff worth? Casascius coins + Lealana and others

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Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling.

If that is true than all nastycoins should be considered compromised, I wonder if OGnasty took any steps to prevent this.

The guy that made those wallets that were almost impossible to destroy, and bip38 encrypted xrayed his and the private key couldnt be read, They had a really weird name, and if someone could guessed the inspiration of the name they got one free. Can anyone recall?

They were the KEYOIS capsules
Original page here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-the-keyois-capsule-a-new-type-of-physical-bitcoin-new12-ton-press-video-1659001

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Quote from: Hellot on July 10, 2019, 01:15:01 PM

Quote from: JUPITYR on July 10, 2019, 01:11:29 PM

Quote from: TookDk on July 10, 2019, 06:46:36 AM

Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling.

There are no etched keys on Casascius coins. They are talking about the melt ring around the edge of the hologram that is made using a laser.

Does anyone have a good picture of a cas coin that has the laser etched edged vs one that has been peeled and the edge has been destroyed just curious to see how they look as ive never even held a real cassascius coin

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Quote from: JUPITYR on July 10, 2019, 01:11:29 PM

Quote from: TookDk on July 10, 2019, 06:46:36 AM

Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling.

If that is true than all nastycoins should be considered compromised, I wonder if OGnasty took any steps to prevent this.

The guy that made those wallets that were almost impossible to destroy, and bip38 encrypted xrayed his and the private key couldnt be read, They had a really weird name, and if someone could guessed the inspiration of the name they got one free. Can anyone recall?

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Quote from: Hellot on July 10, 2019, 01:15:01 PM

Quote from: JUPITYR on July 10, 2019, 01:11:29 PM

Quote from: TookDk on July 10, 2019, 06:46:36 AM

Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling.

There are no etched keys on Casascius coins. They are talking about the melt ring around the edge of the hologram that is made using a laser.

Ah, gotcha.

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Quote from: JUPITYR on July 10, 2019, 01:11:29 PM

Quote from: TookDk on July 10, 2019, 06:46:36 AM

Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling.

There are no etched keys on Casascius coins. They are talking about the melt ring around the edge of the hologram that is made using a laser.

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Quote from: TookDk on July 10, 2019, 06:46:36 AM

Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling.

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Correct, most coins can be peeled with the hologram at least 50% still attached.
And certain coins, once you put the hologram back down on them, it is hard to tell that they were peeled. BTCC 1st hologram is like this

Wow, that is good and scary to know at the same time.. I gotta send all my coins to you for rechecking.. lol

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on July 10, 2019, 06:51:48 AM

I prefer a coin with the holo AND the private key with it than nothing but a coin. Wink

This pretty much nails a post peel coins desirability. The more of the original that is still available, the better. Coin, holo AND Priv Key. All part of the provenance of the coin.
As we go forward, provenance of coins is going to become vital.
Coins without it will sell for much less.
Why?
We have yet to see a true wave of determined knock offs appear. When they do, custody chains, PGP certs and anything that can provide quality provenance will be incredibly valuable to a coins resell value.

We have already seen premiums getting mauled as a result of BTC's rise. They will get worse without a full/trustworthy history. This can be said for ANY loaded item.

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Quote from: FFrankie on July 09, 2019, 08:07:02 PM

Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

When I peel a coin I try to not destroy the hologram and only actually peel like 25% of it. I think most people here try to preserve the hologram when peeling so it's still got the hologram when they resell them

Yes agree...the hologram is an integral part of the coin and should be preserved as much as possible to be able to be sodl with the coin itself.

I prefer a coin with the holo AND the private key with it than nothing but a coin. Wink

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Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye.
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

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Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

When I peel a coin I try to not destroy the hologram and only actually peel like 25% of it. I think most people here try to preserve the hologram when peeling so it's still got the hologram when they resell them

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I believe these all are owned by the OP due to the pictures and camera matching up. That said anyone should use escrow with brand new accounts.

You've done very well for yourself with these purchases over the years. People on the forum tend to build up reputation, so it's odd that we see a brand new account with years worth of memorabilia.

The premium in BTC terms has taken a huge hit on all of the loaded coins. Those 1 btc peeled brass Casascius coins can go anywhere from $100-500 depending on condition. Ebay has several for reference pricing.

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Thank you all for your replies!

I’m not wanting to sell or trying to scam anyone I just want to know how much all is worth.

Guess all in all I spent about $2K in all of those items years ago, from the replies all of it can go for about $30K in todays market? Been kind off the collectables market for some time that’s why I’m asking.

Those 1 btc peeled coins I bought for $5 each, how much are they going for now?

I’ll probably just leave them for my kids or keep them and sell in 30 years for my retirement money if I survive that long Grin

unless I get some out of this world offer for any of the items... don’t think that will happen.

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on July 09, 2019, 06:53:40 PM

Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

We had a newbie years ago with graded coins...some of the best ive seen....he was a scammer...he never proved ownership as he was using other people's photos. So i become very skeptical seeing photos without proof of ownership.

Say no more not gonna question a vet!

Better safe than sorry...but at the end of the day escrow will protect you from harm. Goodluck to all in these purchases as they are stunning pieces to acquire.

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on July 09, 2019, 07:04:33 PM

Quote from: Bluewaffle on July 09, 2019, 07:02:46 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on July 09, 2019, 06:53:40 PM

Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

We had a newbie years ago with graded coins...some of the best ive seen....he was a scammer...he never proved ownership as he was using other people's photos. So i become very skeptical seeing photos without proof of ownership.

Say no more not gonna question a vet!

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Quote from: Bluewaffle on July 09, 2019, 07:02:46 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on July 09, 2019, 06:53:40 PM

Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

We had a newbie years ago with graded coins...some of the best ive seen....he was a scammer...he never proved ownership as he was using other people's photos. So i become very skeptical seeing photos without proof of ownership.

And as far as where they were acquired? Anyone can make up any story they want really...doesnt make it true.

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on July 09, 2019, 06:53:40 PM

Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

krogothmanhattan

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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.

Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

Bluewaffle

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Looks like someone got robbed
**how does someone have graded coins and no nothing about them maybe someone died ?

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Quote from: tothemoonsands on July 09, 2019, 06:14:09 PM

The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

I thought the same thing at first as it does look a little like the holograms I've solvent removed, but I think the coin was already swept when OP bought it. (I did some snooping.)

Also, if you were going to solvent remove holograms, you'd practice on some 1 BTC coins first, not butcher a 25 BTC
I've never peeled a cas though so take my opinions with a grain of salt.

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