Topic: How profitable Is investing in a crypto casino or sportbook? - page 2. (Read 403 times)

Only developers know the benefits that the owner of this casino gambling place gets, but at least we must know that making a gambling place like this requires a lot of money and of course it is not easy because every week and even every day there will definitely be an evaluation for the developer to see if there is any bug or not so they don't lose a lot of money, because the capital they use to develop this gambling is also certainly very much so they should try to make a gambling place that is easy to use and always provides bonuses or events to make visitors interested in gambling in its place. The gambling owner cannot relax to enjoy the money he makes because they have to be creative to always increase the users of this gambling place.

I've remember my experience on Yolodice where I invest on their casino bankroll and earn good profit after that. They have 4 cryptos e.g. BTC, ETH, LTC and DOGE. Not so many gamblers play using LTC, so if there's a high roller played, the casino bankroll will change more significant than the rest coins. There's a lucky high roller that make huge winning and the profit site was -80%, so most of the investors are rekt. But I start to invest when the bankroll at around -70% and it slowly recover since the high roller is keep losing. It's profitable, depends on your luck too.

I can understand your curiosity, but the thing that matters is that on which casino or sportsbook you choose to invest.
If the casino has huge number of gamblers playing, then it’s wise decision to invest there. But generally these type of casinos doesn’t accept personal investments as they already raised funds and also they might be making good profits from the players.
Moreover you can also invest in casinos which are not so popular, but yes there the ROI is very less so you need to take risks.
Moreover investing in bankroll of a site is always profitable upto a certain extinct. As we have all heard that the house always wins.

We only know that the casino makes a lot of profit from its business but we will never know the exact amount. I also never thought about how much profit the casino will get. Every casino will be different in number because it also depends on how many people are playing in each casino. In addition, each casino will not want to say the amount of profit they make each month or year because that is their company's privacy.

Have not really tried joining a bankroll but its seem close to a risk free investment due to what they say the odds are always on the casino's favor. These two Bitvest and Bustadice today are not advertising in bitcointalk talk anymore which is not a good indicator.

I don't see any other else on how a regular crypto user can invest in crypto casino other than bankroll but if they mean crypto casino tokens, there are plenty of them right now that seen not profitable.

Just remember one thing, Stake.com is not just a Sport betting site... they are a fully functional casino with a wide variety of in-house games and third party games that helps to fund these sponsorships. 

They host a weekly giveaway that generate 1 ticket for every $1000 wagered by players... and there are a few million tickets (2mil +) generated after 7 days, so their gross profit per week must be close to 2 Billion Dollars per week. 

Well, you can compare different crypto casinos here, and I have some outdated threads that I don't know whether will help you or not.

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And one of my fave sites to see when it comes to gambling.

⭐ BTCGOSU ⭐ Your Trusted Guide to the Best Bitcoin Casinos ⭐ by efialtis

Maybe you can get some info with it and maybe start your investing journey there?

I am not really an expert on the profitability of crypt casinos or sportbooks, but it's obvious that they are a really profitable and good investment for their owners. The boom in the online gambling industry over the last several years saw a rise in new casinos who are competing for market shares. Even with strong competition among the casinos and offering promotions like 200% deposit bonuses it' still a lucrative business to operate your own or be part of a casino. All of the games a casino runs has a house edge, this positive expected value means that the more people play their games the higher their profits. We know the winning percentages of the casino from the Roulette or BlackJack, here the casino usually has a 4-6% edge. In slots the number is even higher, the RTP is between 90-96% that means that on some slots the casino can make up to 10 cents for every $1 played. It's the same games a physical casino is running and they have to pay for rent, electricity, a lot of more employee, security, etc. When it's already profitable for a physical casino to operate with all these additional costs than it makes it so much more lucrative for a online casino to operate the same games. If you have the chance to invest in a crypto casino or sportbook you should look at it in great detail, it's important not to overpay for your share.

For me the concern is who can you trust?  Most of the established casinos don't need funding and the casinos that do need funding might not have the best intentions with your money.  If a casino did offer an investment opportunity, it would be cool, but would be extremely risky as it would make that wallet a target for hackers.  If a place like stake offered a chance to get in on the house take with an investment and it was liquid, I would be all over it.  I don't think opportunities like that are as easy to come by though as you would like.  Be careful.

I guess that will remain a secret for the casino. They simply provide a global overview of the forms of investment they offer their users and how much they can earn.
We won't know how much they will get if, let's say, a casino can have 100 investors and invest a lot of money into their casino.
If the casino has a good and trusted reputation, I will try to invest some money in bitcoin or altcoins so that at least it will be passive income for me.
But we can't expect that passive income will be able to generate a lot of profit shortly because it is a business.

I doubt any casino is really transparent about detailing earnings. As for large-scale casinos, in addition to large revenues they have significant sponsorship, development and other costs. Some investors may consider the unfairness of profit sharing that triggers the interest to increase investment to decline.
Looking back at casinos that issue typical tokens, they only offer a static return based on a percentage of the amount invested, no matter how many times the actual company profit is because such investors on the other hand get priority rights on the platform as well (a kind of VIP Club).

So about the same as the article OP mentioned then I guess? At the minimum of 5% that is, which I imagine is rather true since crypto casinos and fiat casinos would generally be the same imo. Even if there were changes as you said with the taxes, I don't think it'd be that big since it'd call to reason that it'd then be regulated if it actually was.

Here's an article to read: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/26/tech-gambling-alcohol-helped-nfl-earn-almost-2-billion-in-sponsorships.html

NFL is big though, so it may not be the case across all sponsorships, not to mention this isn't exactly with crypto itself. Here's another article that involves crypto itself though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/cryptocurrency-companies-take-multi-million-dollar-step-into-sports.html

To quote the specific part I found, (Not a football club though)

We may need to wait for a "bookie" to answer here or the book owner himself. How long will that be? We don't know.
These numbers may be a private matter and for their eyes only.
But there must be someone who will be willing to share their experience on this matter. Even just a rough estimate of how much they will make or a percentage for every bet.

Did you mean investing in casino bankroll? It doesn't have any guarantee you will earn profit since it depends on how much the gamblers won or lose and some casinos usually charge a deduction if you withdraw your investment funds. Each casino have vary calculation, percentage, deduction fee and many more.

AFAIK only Bitvest and Bustadice still offer bankroll investment until now.

I remember this article wherein the author advised investors to not put their money in the casino. Usually, the profits only trickle until one big whale splurges on the whole bankroll of the casino. It will take months for you to get a return on your initial investment but only one good day for a whale to lose it all. It's kinda like gambling too since you're betting that your money will be fine for a few months until you can safely pull out. As for sportsbooks, I've no idea how profitable those can be. But IMO they are quite safer to place your investments on since on each events, the bookies already have a fix cut on the proceeds of the whole lot.

Everything must boil down to how huge and trusted a crypto casino or sportsbook is. It is of course very profitable if you look at how certain crypto sportsbooks and casinos can afford partnerships with expensive players, teams, and leagues. But you can also notice that there are many crypto casinos and sportsbooks that are barely known. So it is just a matter of how popular a casino or sportsbook is or how big their userbase is. The more popular they are, the bigger revenue they must have.

Apart from getting information from articles and other secondary source, it would be nice if you get first hand information from business persons that have invested in crypto casino or sportbook. These set of person already has first hand experience about the business. Most of what is published online are based on hearsays, untested theories and speculations. If you can contact a sincere person that is already in the business you might get a honest and more reliable information about the profitability and risk of investing in crypto casino .

Stake and Sportsbet are able to sponsor huge events and partner with sports teams, I guess that gives us a hint of how much they can afford. Although there ain't no real record that will show us, these facts alone are indeed proof. They wouldn't be running thier betting site if they are not killing. This is apart from the percentage of profit a crypto-related business from the crypto bull market.

Bookmakers really make a lot of money from sports games, but I think the exact account we will never know.

Cryptographic sites tend to be more transparent in terms of values, but an exact account is complicated... the money is usually prorated between the site, the platform and in some rarer cases of fraudulent sites even teams and players receive an amount to manipulate the outcome in favor of a given outcome.

Anyway, what we need to know is that sports betting sites tend to be quite profitable also for bettors who know how to manage their resources wisely, so... if the money won by the casinos is honestly, I don't see any problem.

Taxes and other reductions would really be the main difference plus having crypto volatility then it could give out chance whether they would make money even more or the profits they had made would be
lessen up due to volatility but in overall essence and scheme of things then gambling industry is profitable no matter what.Numbers might be true or not into those percentage mentioned above
but no one would know the exact one except the casino or bookmakers alone but we could really presume that they are making hell of a good profits out of those people
who do gamble out.