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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

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US Government Sells Another 8,200 Bitcoin, On-Chain Data Confirms
The US government is slowly but surely ridding itself of its BTC connected to Silk Road.
On-chain analysts at CryptoQuant have confirmed previous rumors that the United States government has sold another large batch of Bitcoin (BTC) connected to the defunct darknet marketplace, Silk Road.
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I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.
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Op you are not from US and you are interested to write on US issues which their official language is English and now you have confused yourself with English Language Grin

From your topic to the conclusion of the thread is something else. You even used American language in the last phrase. Yes the demand and supply chain affect the market price. The full participation of whales in the market manipulate the prices.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.
Thank you

If I am understanding you correctly, you are interested in understanding the concept of manipulation in all markets including Bitcoin. It is a common belief that entities or individuals often referred as "Whales) with significant amount of funds can dictate or change the direction of market by making substantial buying and selling. The primary motive behind such actions is to make quick gains. This artificial movement of market is known as manipulation.

However, It is important to note that all significant buying or selling is not manipulation. There are many mega institutions who make huge buying for legit reasons, despite the fact that such buying can also potentially impact the market price of assets.

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The total amount of the seized silk road bitcoins could be considered worthless depending on how dirty or clean they are. If things they were exchange for are bad/evil, they will have little to no sufficient power to move the price of Bitcoin ... Only clean money can move the price of Bitcoin.
Bitcoin price was recalculated such that low supply & high demand for clean bitcoins can move price up while high supply moves price down. That also means if someone or people are buying clean bitcoins price would go up. If they are selling price goes down. Clean bitcoins have more powers to move Bitcoin price.
Price could also be moved by people with enough power in form of contributions to the development of Bitcoin. The logic here is that good contribution from such people is thesame as good/clean Bitcoin... good contribution = clean bitcoin = power. Your good contributions, depending on how quality/powerful they are help Bitcoin grow. If you contribute good ideas it grows, if you contribute clean bitcoins it grows

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market.

Just always have it in the mind that bitcoin market is not being manipulated, when you're conscious of these, you will then have a quicker understanding of more about how the market dumps and pumps works and the logic behind the demands and supply, especially when there's a sudden release of bitcoin into the market for circulation, some had also thought about the role of miners and how they can also use their block reward to trigger the market rise and fall, everyone keep coming with his own idea but know that US released of this bitcoin make no significant impact to rise the market significantly.

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I'm not really sure what the OP wanted to say, but obviously,

a. if big whales sell and it was seen by speculators then they might panic and sell as well
b. if big whales buy and it was seen by speculators then they might buy as well

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market? I wanna know some details from you guys.

Can you rephrase your question? What do you mean by 'manipulate' in this case? They sell the BTC on the open markets hence there's downward selling pressure. What more do you want to know?

I wonder what else folks want to know about large sell-off rather than a temporary price fall which will be an insignificant proportion to what the total Bitcoin being sold off, and if the US government decided to pull off their seized Bitcoin to support their inflation-afflicted economy trying to save the USD from sinking.

Even at that, this current Bitcoin price pullback is a kind of correction that will propel a more robust Bitcoin price in the coming weeks, since Bitcoin has sustained this price benchmark even with all the market pressure.

right, the decline in bitcoin seems to be just a price correction to get squared off to jump higher. here the bitcoiner's belief in bitcoin is more solid so that they have the thought that bitcoin is a good investment, which in the future the price will always rise along with the development of bitcoin adoption. price fluctuations that occur as if a normal phenomenon and currently bitcoiner is not as fragile as before, even though the price fell by more than 50%, because later it will fly more than the previous ATH

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Quote from: mk4 on July 21, 2023, 04:08:19 AM

Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market? I wanna know some details from you guys.

Can you rephrase your question? What do you mean by 'manipulate' in this case? They sell the BTC on the open markets hence there's downward selling pressure. What more do you want to know?

I wonder what else folks want to know about large sell-off rather than a temporary price fall which will be an insignificant proportion to what the total Bitcoin being sold off, and if the US government decided to pull off their seized Bitcoin to support their inflation-afflicted economy trying to save the USD from sinking.

Even at that, this current Bitcoin price pullback is a kind of correction that will propel a more robust Bitcoin price in the coming weeks, since Bitcoin has sustained this price benchmark even with all the market pressure.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.
Thank you
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It is only a manipulation if you have something to benefit other than the value of the traded assets.

- Say someone wants to buy Bitcoins at a cheaper, they can start selling their bitcoins faster than the market can buy at that moment, this often creates a cascading effect that prompts other trades to open sell positions as well. This way, the price goes down and they canbget it lower, at a discount. This is a common practice in the crypto market especially with altcoin projects with small to medium marketcap. For Bitcoin, it's much difficult since you to spend a lot more in other to tilt the direction of the market in your favor.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.
Thank you
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~speedx~

It's not really manipulation if you are selling or buying on the open market without any bad intentions, but very much possible to manipulate the price if you hodl a good stash of some crypto and you want to influence price in some way and trigger the herd mentality of which users will try follow what a whale is doing!

As of the question on how sells and buys influence the market value, well think of this being a tag of war...whoever comes out the Victor after the war decides the direction of the market on that particular day and in this case the US government selling a huge chunk of coins means putting selling pressure on the market such that if you were looking at the charts you could see a huge red candle for this transaction as it fills all buying orders at market value going down from highest to lowest order till all coins are sold.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on July 21, 2023, 04:14:24 AM

Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.

If more bitcoin is bought, the price will increase. If more bitcoiis is sold, the price will decrease. But bitcoin marketcap is too big for manipulation. Coins with low marketcap are the ones that can easily be manipulated.

I think he was too hasty to say it or motivated from the news he read then asked the forum, we already understand how the market mechanism, selling and buying is a definite factor in the market, and demand will increase the scarcity that affects the price to be higher, and selling is an action that makes goods become more abundant in the market, and that makes the price lower or lower, the mechanism is simple and it is common knowledge.
Regarding sales made by the US government, of course, this is not a strange thing anymore, because they have also done that before, and they do not manipulate the market from selling bitcoins, and also no one can manipulate that, as you said, the marketcap is very large so it is difficult to manipulate.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market? I wanna know some details from you guys.
Thank you
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The Bitcoin market is also controlled by forces of demand and supply, the higher the demand the greater the price, and the lesser the demand the lower the price. When the government makes such an announcement that it is selling a large chunk of bitcoin it also gives rise to FUD. Some investors will begin to dump their coins because of fear of the unknown. But in recent times these news or dumps is having less impact on the market price. Most times the market recovers in a few days. The bitcoin sector is gradually becoming immune to the impact caused by these sales which usually caused the market to nosedive in time past.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.

If more bitcoin is bought, the price will increase. If more bitcoiis is sold, the price will decrease. But bitcoin marketcap is too big for manipulation. Coins with low marketcap are the ones that can easily be manipulated.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.
Thank you

Let me make you understand in a simple manner, bro. Unlike any other asset, bitcoin follows the law of supply and demand. You might also be aware that bitcoins are limited in number. Hence, this makes bitcoin very rare. When you hear bulk buying the coins, it simply means the demand to acquire the bitcoins has increased, and in order to fulfil the demand, the price also goes up due to the limited supply of bitcoins. Similarly, when there is a huge "selling" order, the price goes down. This is a general overview of how buying and selling affect the price of bitcoins.

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Quote from: ~speedx~ on July 21, 2023, 04:01:35 AM

So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.

Can you rephrase your question? What do you mean by 'manipulate' in this case? They sell the BTC on the open markets hence there's downward selling pressure. What more do you want to know?

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US Government Sells Another 8,200 Bitcoin, On-Chain Data Confirms
The US government is slowly but surely ridding itself of its BTC connected to Silk Road.
On-chain analysts at CryptoQuant have confirmed previous rumors that the United States government has sold another large batch of Bitcoin (BTC) connected to the defunct darknet marketplace, Silk Road.
For more details->source

I have been hearing for a long time that large-scale of selling and buying Bitcoin has a big impact on the market. So now a question arasie in my mind that how this proccess manupulate the market. I wanna know some details from you guys.
Thank you
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~speedx~

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