Topic: How these guys have an active thread? (Read 582 times)
It is already known that forum don't mod Scam. So many people here have more than one account. The forum allows users to have as many account as they like and in the same way scammers too. I don't see why is so difficult to accept this fact. The mod are doing their best to see that we have a better atmosphere in this ecosystem.
Could those posts be reported as breaking the first rule regarding uninteresting and low value posts?
Necrobumps are usually only acceptable when they provide something of dramatic value: to justify reactivating an old/obsolete thread, you have to bring a significant amount of depth or nuance to the discussion for revitalization. Otherwise, what would prevent people from just sorting by last active (ascending) and making agree-type spam posts or generic vague remarks to regurgitate information they haven't posted before?
I will often report posts that are 6mo+ old necrobumps if they do not serve any meaningful purpose.
No one can make genuine posts like that.
If you are familiar with game-protect then you will it's none but him. He is permanently bad for doing the same thing.I have not reported them yet but maybe I should. Will give a try.
If you review the post history of those users then you will see that they post same contents but only changes then company or service names.
For example:
Could those posts be reported as breaking the first rule regarding uninteresting and low value posts? For example:
It's not really duplicate posting, but if you look at the timeframes, maybe you will find a moderator that agrees with you that the user is basically posting the same thing over and over again in different threads. No one can make genuine posts like that. It's obvious that a certain site is being targeted where the same group of users are spreading the same idea.
The site sucks, and it's a scam - that's all they talk about. Reporting them as somehow breaking rules 1 and 12 maybe will work.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/max-bet-amount-at-stakecom-5326990
Half the comments on new gambling threads are anti-stake/sportsbet and pro adkinsbet. All these accounts are already heavily negative trusted but are allowed to keep spamming trash all over the forum.
Welcome to Bitcointalk. Or rather, welcome to what it can turn into: I was wondering when someone would start (half-)weaponizing the strong inaction against shady behavior and the lax stance on spamming/trolling about the forum.Half the comments on new gambling threads are anti-stake/sportsbet and pro adkinsbet. All these accounts are already heavily negative trusted but are allowed to keep spamming trash all over the forum.
I can understand this because all our efforts are just going into trash but they ANN never getting in there which is kind of dissappointed but moderators can consider giving temporary ban them when their posts getting deleted and multiple violations should give them perma ban which can put atleast a temporary stoppage to these bumping groups.
If you review the post history of those users then you will see that they post same contents but only changes then company or service names.For example:
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I can understand this because all our efforts are just going into trash but they ANN never getting in there which is kind of dissappointed but moderators can consider giving temporary ban them when their posts getting deleted and multiple violations should give them perma ban which can put atleast a temporary stoppage to these bumping groups.
It is supposed to be considered as spam and all the conversations created by the shills should be deleted and I am also agrees that there should be a rule against such kind of behavior because bumping threads using incentives is against the rule so the thread will be immediately trashed but if they are using the account bumpers and paying out which is clearly visible but still there is no action.
Problem here is that you have to provide some proof that those altcoin projects are indeed paying those sock puppet accounts. So literally you would have to find something like this on their website in order to get ANN deleted (this was an airdrop case though, but it resulted in ann getting deleted). That kind of evidence unfortunately you wont find from those that hired bumping service. 
You can connect as much accounts as you want to as many threads, and it still won't be enough to get ANN deleted, as visible from sheet I made some time ago for that purpose. At least 17 accounts consistently working on at least 14 different threads (there were probably more threads but this was enough to make a point) simply can't be coincidence. So yeah, all you can do really until (if) rules change is to report single posts and thats about it.
I am not sure if there is a rule about creating fake conversations by the same group for the sole purpose of bumping threads. But if not, that should be added. If an entire thread page is covered with posts of the same group of users and that same group dominates the entire thread with unnecessary comments, admins should react to it.
It is supposed to be considered as spam and all the conversations created by the shills should be deleted and I am also agrees that there should be a rule against such kind of behavior because bumping threads using incentives is against the rule so the thread will be immediately trashed but if they are using the account bumpers and paying out which is clearly visible but still there is no action. Watching with regret that the same group of users are bumping the thread with the same garbage. Other day I reported the tread by requesting to lock it to the mod but no response yet.
Not getting a response to your report is a kind of response itself, when you think about it. All you can do is to report posts and that's about it. In some cases they stop with spamming when enough posts get deleted.I am not sure if there is a rule about creating fake conversations by the same group for the sole purpose of bumping threads. But if not, that should be added. If an entire thread page is covered with posts of the same group of users and that same group dominates the entire thread with unnecessary comments, admins should react to it.
Unfortunately there is no rule against that. Some time ago I started thread here in Meta asking can those threads with no real conversations and basically only paid shill be removed, but I never got an answer.. If you check that thread you will see few examples of completely useless and spam filled threads that I reported and of course my reports stayed unhandled.The only way to get thread removed (from my experience) is if you get a solid written proof that users are indeed getting paid to write on thread. In most cases it happens when some altcoin project organizes airdrop and set comment as one of the requirements and of course published that rule on website/Telegram group. In my opinion it should be extended to bumping services as its pretty obvious to everyone what is going on.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/max-bet-amount-at-stakecom-5326990
Half the comments on new gambling threads are anti-stake/sportsbet and pro adkinsbet. All these accounts are already heavily negative trusted but are allowed to keep spamming trash all over the forum.
Welcome to Bitcointalk. Or rather, welcome to what it can turn into: I was wondering when someone would start (half-)weaponizing the strong inaction against shady behavior and the lax stance on spamming/trolling about the forum.Half the comments on new gambling threads are anti-stake/sportsbet and pro adkinsbet. All these accounts are already heavily negative trusted but are allowed to keep spamming trash all over the forum.
The threshold between advertising for a service and segueing into it through a discussion is yet to be rigorously discussed but in the meantime, we can expect a whole slew of these to burst out of the shadows. At least the newcomers to the forum will know exactly what to do due to our comprehensive welcome message that exists.
Other day I reported the tread by requesting to lock it to the mod but no response yet.
You got your answer through the fact that your report wasn't handled by the admins and the thread is still there with all the posts. The best approach is to find things like multi-posting, off-topic replies, or low quality posts and report those. That stuff is against the rules and will be deleted by mods if reported. I am not sure if there is a rule about creating fake conversations by the same group for the sole purpose of bumping threads. But if not, that should be added. If an entire thread page is covered with posts of the same group of users and that same group dominates the entire thread with unnecessary comments, admins should react to it. 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/max-bet-amount-at-stakecom-5326990
Half the comments on new gambling threads are anti-stake/sportsbet and pro adkinsbet. All these accounts are already heavily negative trusted but are allowed to keep spamming trash all over the forum.
Half the comments on new gambling threads are anti-stake/sportsbet and pro adkinsbet. All these accounts are already heavily negative trusted but are allowed to keep spamming trash all over the forum.
Watching with regret that the same group of users are bumping the thread with the same garbage. Other day I reported the tread by requesting to lock it to the mod but no response yet.
Maybe they did not pay any attention into it before. Either way it is good that this function is now available so users can update their balance with one click on the button.
Tomorrow we have the Formula 1 race with Verstappen way ahead the obvious favorite to win the race. Let's hope we do not have any covid cases.
I just read the news that Verstappen was the fastest one again in the last free training. Could it be a trick from the Mercedes team? since we do not know if they give everything with their engine.
it looks to easy for me if Verstappen will just easily walk away (drive away in this case) like he did in the training. I am very curious about what will happen tomorrow.
I have noticed that the site was increased with a new feature that people can refresh their balance. that was something that was missing before, so i think the team from Adkinsbet did a good job by inplementing this feature.
Maybe they did not pay any attention into it before. Either way it is good that this function is now available so users can update their balance with one click on the button.
Tomorrow we have the Formula 1 race with Verstappen way ahead the obvious favorite to win the race. Let's hope we do not have any covid cases.
I just read the news that Verstappen was the fastest one again in the last free training. Could it be a trick from the Mercedes team? since we do not know if they give everything with their engine.
it looks to easy for me if Verstappen will just easily walk away (drive away in this case) like he did in the training. I am very curious about what will happen tomorrow.
Yeah but this is an online forum which allows people to do anything they wanted and scam on the online platform cannot be solved even by banning them because they are free to create a new account and do the same like what happens when they got tags but when a brand is keep repeating then they should not be given an excuse.And also the netizens (term used to call people who are surfing which I am recently hearing everywhere) should be aware of possible scams and they should never lose their common sense for any reason to save them from getting scammed.
How many people have doubt that adkins are not scammers?When we all are 100% sure and it was proven that they are scammers then why we still show this play-card that scams are not moderated so let them continue with the thread they have.
If they create a new thread then report it to the moderator and suggest them to lock it. They can lock the current ANN thread too.
Scams are not moderated here,which is hard to accept but that is the truth.
It is difficult for people to accept that the forum has taken such an attitude towards scammers, because in real life such people are prosecuted by the police and the judiciary, and they are punished in accordance with the law. Here, the greatest possible punishment for a proven scam is to give someone the opportunity to leave negative feedback or create a flag - which does not prevent scammers from continuing what they have done before.
In a nutshell scams survive in the online world because no one wants to be an online police and try to punish them - I wrote once long ago that I could compare it to the real world in the following example : A man scam, say, 10 000 people and steals a total of $1 million - instead of being punished and imprisoned, he gets a T-shirt that says scammer as a warning to others - we all know that T-shirts are the same as tags or flags, throw away a T-shirt or create a new account, you are free to scam again.
Kind of sucks that there's nothing at all we can do about the scammers on the forum.
I remember they (adkins) once wanted a slot on the forum ad slot and theymos denied it. There used to be 1xbit not we have adkins. Who else is next?Yeah I know forum does not moderate scams. Good for the scammers that they found the hole to rank up their scam sites. Who is liable here? Search engines or community like us who has a clause that we do not moderate scams?
It is difficult for people to accept that the forum has taken such an attitude towards scammers, because in real life such people are prosecuted by the police and the judiciary, and they are punished in accordance with the law. Here, the greatest possible punishment for a proven scam is to give someone the opportunity to leave negative feedback or create a flag - which does not prevent scammers from continuing what they have done before.
Yes, it's a good thing we all learned about this immediately after joining the forum and guarded ourselves against any transaction with an unknown member.Kind of sucks that there's nothing at all we can do about the scammers on the forum.
Scams are not moderated here,which is hard to accept but that is the truth.
It is difficult for people to accept that the forum has taken such an attitude towards scammers, because in real life such people are prosecuted by the police and the judiciary, and they are punished in accordance with the law. Here, the greatest possible punishment for a proven scam is to give someone the opportunity to leave negative feedback or create a flag - which does not prevent scammers from continuing what they have done before.
In a nutshell scams survive in the online world because no one wants to be an online police and try to punish them - I wrote once long ago that I could compare it to the real world in the following example : A man scam, say, 10 000 people and steals a total of $1 million - instead of being punished and imprisoned, he gets a T-shirt that says scammer as a warning to others - we all know that T-shirts are the same as tags or flags, throw away a T-shirt or create a new account, you are free to scam again.
Scams are not moderated here,which is hard to accept but that is the truth. Well the DT system can save the people from the scammers and actually more DT members should concentrate on finding these scammers and tag them instead of leaving rating for their own personal reasons.
Another useful thing is flag creation which will surely gives a red sign warning on every thread created by that user once it got the enough support.
Another useful thing is flag creation which will surely gives a red sign warning on every thread created by that user once it got the enough support.
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How I wish that those having some red tagged with -5 warning above should not have the option to open a moderated thread even on creating a flag, just my two cents.
In that way, you may prevent the users who will create thread but what about already created thread? No one registered here start with 5 negative tag. They can create self-moderated thread and later, they can receive 5 negative tag. So, what will happen to that thread which already have been created? May be auto disable is the option but that doesn’t best suit the current forum rules of not moderating scam.I think all the faults are the users who use this shit. See, the thread started has been tagged, now if someone doesn’t check that or if they don't care the pop up which clearly states that adkinsbet can be a scammer, it’s their fault. You can't prevent that. Their are some noobs who have no idea how things work, they believe everything they see internet. You can't prevent this group to be scammed.
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