I apologise for "going off" last night - staying up until 4am basically 7 days per week (for the last few months) is taking its toll on my ability to be calm (which normally I am if you look over my post history).
Anyway - if the topic could be moved into Project Development and "unlocked" then maybe I can try and "explain the technology" more (as seemingly that is the main problem here).
Whilst it is hidden under alts then no useful discussion is going to take place (all they care about there is pumping and dumping the latest rubbish coin).
I will send a PM to @gmaxwell to see if moving to Project Development is okay with him.
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In regards to the "bounty" that was announced a long time ago and has its own topic and clearly the main focus of the topic in question was not the bounty (am pretty sure there was only one mention of it in that topic).
Regarding posts about alts I was actively deleting anything that wasn't discussing the technology itself (and was being harassed because of that by - you guessed it - ad sig posters).
In as far as explaining what Automated Transactions are @theymos how does "a Turing complete method of creating smart contracts on any blockchain" sound (unfortunately marketing is not one of my special skills)?
Regarding posts about alts I was actively deleting anything that wasn't discussing the technology itself (and was being harassed because of that by - you guessed it - ad sig posters).
In as far as explaining what Automated Transactions are @theymos how does "a Turing complete method of creating smart contracts on any blockchain" sound (unfortunately marketing is not one of my special skills)?
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So after perusing and getting the basic overview, its a neat idea. I'd like to take it out of the Alt Coin section, but I can't think of an appropriate place to put it. I fully, and completely understand why it was moved to the Alt coin section, as I mentioned before, Mastercoin was ruled to belong in the alt coin section, and this has very similar traits. So I can pretty much guarentee you, that the mod that moved it didn't do it to spite you, its a really tough topic to place. Historical events lead it to belong in the Alt coin section, however burrying it there seems like a waste. Its not really a projects and development thread, as its just the idea and not a working model, and its not really Bitcoin technical and development since its coin agnostic.
I think I'd like to move it to projects and development, with this being the reasoning. "Organization of Bitcoin and related projects, bounty campaigns, advertising etc. " I suppose the theory is close enough to the beginning steps of a workable project. Since the thread is self moderated regardless, I'd say take caution to not cater to alt coin implementation discussion in the thread, at the risk that it will be moved again. If someone wants to implement it in their alt coin, I'd advise having them pm you.
Thats my proposal anyway, Ill wait for other mods to weigh in on it, since I dont want to be moving the thread back and forth.
As a side note, Psy and I once unknowingly moved the same thread back and forth to differing sections. It was at the point where we were both annoyed, and were going to send angry PMs to the OP for moving the thread back, until we checked the modlog and had a quick discussion over where the thread actually belongs. My point being, it happens.
I think I'd like to move it to projects and development, with this being the reasoning. "Organization of Bitcoin and related projects, bounty campaigns, advertising etc. " I suppose the theory is close enough to the beginning steps of a workable project. Since the thread is self moderated regardless, I'd say take caution to not cater to alt coin implementation discussion in the thread, at the risk that it will be moved again. If someone wants to implement it in their alt coin, I'd advise having them pm you.
Thats my proposal anyway, Ill wait for other mods to weigh in on it, since I dont want to be moving the thread back and forth.
As a side note, Psy and I once unknowingly moved the same thread back and forth to differing sections. It was at the point where we were both annoyed, and were going to send angry PMs to the OP for moving the thread back, until we checked the modlog and had a quick discussion over where the thread actually belongs. My point being, it happens.
Good to know!
There hasn't been any real interest or discussion in it in technical-development-- This isn't meant as an affront on your efforts: You don't see similar noise about related (and I think better and more relevant) projects being worked on by multiple people on the Bitcoin Core team (moxiebox), simply because they're also not mature, and not yet interesting to a wider audience.
The last updates I saw on it were repeated duplicate threads announcing a really large bounty for creating an altcoin based on it.
With the lack of interest and constant bumping, I was considering moving it between project development and altcoin subforum; the huge create-an-altcoin bounty made me think the latter were more suitable (or at least, would get you the attention you want).
The last updates I saw on it were repeated duplicate threads announcing a really large bounty for creating an altcoin based on it.
With the lack of interest and constant bumping, I was considering moving it between project development and altcoin subforum; the huge create-an-altcoin bounty made me think the latter were more suitable (or at least, would get you the attention you want).
-MZ
So after perusing and getting the basic overview, its a neat idea. I'd like to take it out of the Alt Coin section, but I can't think of an appropriate place to put it. I fully, and completely understand why it was moved to the Alt coin section, as I mentioned before, Mastercoin was ruled to belong in the alt coin section, and this has very similar traits. So I can pretty much guarentee you, that the mod that moved it didn't do it to spite you, its a really tough topic to place. Historical events lead it to belong in the Alt coin section, however burrying it there seems like a waste. Its not really a projects and development thread, as its just the idea and not a working model, and its not really Bitcoin technical and development since its coin agnostic.
I think I'd like to move it to projects and development, with this being the reasoning. "Organization of Bitcoin and related projects, bounty campaigns, advertising etc. " I suppose the theory is close enough to the beginning steps of a workable project. Since the thread is self moderated regardless, I'd say take caution to not cater to alt coin implementation discussion in the thread, at the risk that it will be moved again. If someone wants to implement it in their alt coin, I'd advise having them pm you.
Thats my proposal anyway, Ill wait for other mods to weigh in on it, since I dont want to be moving the thread back and forth.
As a side note, Psy and I once unknowingly moved the same thread back and forth to differing sections. It was at the point where we were both annoyed, and were going to send angry PMs to the OP for moving the thread back, until we checked the modlog and had a quick discussion over where the thread actually belongs. My point being, it happens.
I think I'd like to move it to projects and development, with this being the reasoning. "Organization of Bitcoin and related projects, bounty campaigns, advertising etc. " I suppose the theory is close enough to the beginning steps of a workable project. Since the thread is self moderated regardless, I'd say take caution to not cater to alt coin implementation discussion in the thread, at the risk that it will be moved again. If someone wants to implement it in their alt coin, I'd advise having them pm you.
Thats my proposal anyway, Ill wait for other mods to weigh in on it, since I dont want to be moving the thread back and forth.
As a side note, Psy and I once unknowingly moved the same thread back and forth to differing sections. It was at the point where we were both annoyed, and were going to send angry PMs to the OP for moving the thread back, until we checked the modlog and had a quick discussion over where the thread actually belongs. My point being, it happens.
but project development is still to do with bitcoin projects right? this is way above my head though
His project is Bitcoin related but it may not fit in Development & Technical Discussion and that's why, I suggested Project Development.
-MZ
Oh ok I wasnt sure if this was really bitcoin related sorry for the stupid post.
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but project development is still to do with bitcoin projects right? this is way above my head though
His project is Bitcoin related but it may not fit in Development & Technical Discussion and that's why, I suggested Project Development.
Edit: Solved.
There hasn't been any real interest or discussion in it in technical-development-- This isn't meant as an affront on your efforts: You don't see similar noise about related (and I think better and more relevant) projects being worked on by multiple people on the Bitcoin Core team (moxiebox), simply because they're also not mature, and not yet interesting to a wider audience.
The last updates I saw on it were repeated duplicate threads announcing a really large bounty for creating an altcoin based on it.
With the lack of interest and constant bumping, I was considering moving it between project development and altcoin subforum; the huge create-an-altcoin bounty made me think the latter were more suitable (or at least, would get you the attention you want).
The last updates I saw on it were repeated duplicate threads announcing a really large bounty for creating an altcoin based on it.
With the lack of interest and constant bumping, I was considering moving it between project development and altcoin subforum; the huge create-an-altcoin bounty made me think the latter were more suitable (or at least, would get you the attention you want).
-MZ
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I feel you as Altcoin board is full of trash topics these days. Which board is the best for your thread? It's not Bitcoin Discussion clearly.
I feel you as Altcoin board is full of trash topics these days. Which board is the best for your thread? It's not Bitcoin Discussion clearly.
I think it should be in Project Development if it don't fit in Development & Technical Discussion.
P.S.
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About categorization:
Firstly, an "altcoin" is any non-Bitcoin currency, even if it uses the Bitcoin block chain in some way. And for something to be considered to accept or send bitcoins, it must be able to accept or send Bitcoin transactions directly from/to an unmodified Bitcoin Core client without any intermediate step.
Project-related topics belong in the non-altcoin sections if any of these are true:
1. People can make use of the project directly using bitcoins without any explicit conversion step, and the end result of user action is not just another cryptocurrency (or something similar). For example, if you have some sort of gambling application that uses a sidechain/altcoin/etc. to function, but people can immediately send bitcoins to it and are get bitcoins back, then that's OK. The site can also use an altcoin as "chips" if the site has an integrated and very simple way of exchanging between these chips and bitcoins. Smart-property systems are OK (whether Bitcoin-based or not) as long as the site or software that the forum topic is about can accept bitcoins directly in exchange for the smart property. A site where you pay BTC to get a Namecoin domain would be OK. But altcoin or colored coin exchanges and topics about individual altcoins or colored coins themselves would usually not be OK (even if based on the Bitcoin block chain) because the end result of user action is a non-Bitcoin currency.
2. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss the creation/extension of something that would meet the above definition. (This probably belongs in Project Development.)
3. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss a reasonably-possible extension to the Bitcoin protocol/software or general discussion about ways of using the existing protocol. For example, discussion of merged mining is OK; discussion of Namecoin is not. (This probably belongs in Dev&Tech.)
I don't know enough about AT to say whether it belongs outside of the altcoin section or not. I don't even know whether it has a currency component.
About categorization:
Firstly, an "altcoin" is any non-Bitcoin currency, even if it uses the Bitcoin block chain in some way. And for something to be considered to accept or send bitcoins, it must be able to accept or send Bitcoin transactions directly from/to an unmodified Bitcoin Core client without any intermediate step.
Project-related topics belong in the non-altcoin sections if any of these are true:
1. People can make use of the project directly using bitcoins without any explicit conversion step, and the end result of user action is not just another cryptocurrency (or something similar). For example, if you have some sort of gambling application that uses a sidechain/altcoin/etc. to function, but people can immediately send bitcoins to it and are get bitcoins back, then that's OK. The site can also use an altcoin as "chips" if the site has an integrated and very simple way of exchanging between these chips and bitcoins. Smart-property systems are OK (whether Bitcoin-based or not) as long as the site or software that the forum topic is about can accept bitcoins directly in exchange for the smart property. A site where you pay BTC to get a Namecoin domain would be OK. But altcoin or colored coin exchanges and topics about individual altcoins or colored coins themselves would usually not be OK (even if based on the Bitcoin block chain) because the end result of user action is a non-Bitcoin currency.
2. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss the creation/extension of something that would meet the above definition. (This probably belongs in Project Development.)
3. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss a reasonably-possible extension to the Bitcoin protocol/software or general discussion about ways of using the existing protocol. For example, discussion of merged mining is OK; discussion of Namecoin is not. (This probably belongs in Dev&Tech.)
I don't know enough about AT to say whether it belongs outside of the altcoin section or not. I don't even know whether it has a currency component.
-MZ
but project development is still to do with bitcoin projects right? this is way above my head though
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I feel you as Altcoin board is full of trash topics these days. Which board is the best for your thread? It's not Bitcoin Discussion clearly.
I feel you as Altcoin board is full of trash topics these days. Which board is the best for your thread? It's not Bitcoin Discussion clearly.
I think it should be in Project Development if it don't fit in Development & Technical Discussion.
P.S.
=snip=
About categorization:
Firstly, an "altcoin" is any non-Bitcoin currency, even if it uses the Bitcoin block chain in some way. And for something to be considered to accept or send bitcoins, it must be able to accept or send Bitcoin transactions directly from/to an unmodified Bitcoin Core client without any intermediate step.
Project-related topics belong in the non-altcoin sections if any of these are true:
1. People can make use of the project directly using bitcoins without any explicit conversion step, and the end result of user action is not just another cryptocurrency (or something similar). For example, if you have some sort of gambling application that uses a sidechain/altcoin/etc. to function, but people can immediately send bitcoins to it and are get bitcoins back, then that's OK. The site can also use an altcoin as "chips" if the site has an integrated and very simple way of exchanging between these chips and bitcoins. Smart-property systems are OK (whether Bitcoin-based or not) as long as the site or software that the forum topic is about can accept bitcoins directly in exchange for the smart property. A site where you pay BTC to get a Namecoin domain would be OK. But altcoin or colored coin exchanges and topics about individual altcoins or colored coins themselves would usually not be OK (even if based on the Bitcoin block chain) because the end result of user action is a non-Bitcoin currency.
2. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss the creation/extension of something that would meet the above definition. (This probably belongs in Project Development.)
3. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss a reasonably-possible extension to the Bitcoin protocol/software or general discussion about ways of using the existing protocol. For example, discussion of merged mining is OK; discussion of Namecoin is not. (This probably belongs in Dev&Tech.)
I don't know enough about AT to say whether it belongs outside of the altcoin section or not. I don't even know whether it has a currency component.
About categorization:
Firstly, an "altcoin" is any non-Bitcoin currency, even if it uses the Bitcoin block chain in some way. And for something to be considered to accept or send bitcoins, it must be able to accept or send Bitcoin transactions directly from/to an unmodified Bitcoin Core client without any intermediate step.
Project-related topics belong in the non-altcoin sections if any of these are true:
1. People can make use of the project directly using bitcoins without any explicit conversion step, and the end result of user action is not just another cryptocurrency (or something similar). For example, if you have some sort of gambling application that uses a sidechain/altcoin/etc. to function, but people can immediately send bitcoins to it and are get bitcoins back, then that's OK. The site can also use an altcoin as "chips" if the site has an integrated and very simple way of exchanging between these chips and bitcoins. Smart-property systems are OK (whether Bitcoin-based or not) as long as the site or software that the forum topic is about can accept bitcoins directly in exchange for the smart property. A site where you pay BTC to get a Namecoin domain would be OK. But altcoin or colored coin exchanges and topics about individual altcoins or colored coins themselves would usually not be OK (even if based on the Bitcoin block chain) because the end result of user action is a non-Bitcoin currency.
2. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss the creation/extension of something that would meet the above definition. (This probably belongs in Project Development.)
3. The main purpose of the topic is to discuss a reasonably-possible extension to the Bitcoin protocol/software or general discussion about ways of using the existing protocol. For example, discussion of merged mining is OK; discussion of Namecoin is not. (This probably belongs in Dev&Tech.)
I don't know enough about AT to say whether it belongs outside of the altcoin section or not. I don't even know whether it has a currency component.
-MZ
First of all, moderators are volunteers. They can go on holiday or do whatever they want to do in their personal life. If a moderator is inactive for a long time without explanation, Administrators decide for change as there are a lot of users who help with reports.
I feel you as Altcoin board is full of trash topics these days. Which board is the best for your thread? It's not Bitcoin Discussion clearly.
Strike it as this subject is discussed here.
If paid signatures are banned I'm okay with it. Why should we ban just for moderators? That would be unfair. Let's ban for everybody. Until that time I'm using this feature to get extra Bitcoin, because I'm not an early adopter like you Legendary guys. I spend my Bitcoin to buy stuff and I support Bitcoin economy and to reach its intrinsic value. Everybody's hoarding, somebody should use it as money.
This is the thread SaltySpitoon: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/understanding-the-automated-transaction-system-at-949438
About 25% of ad income goes to the forum moderators as thanks for all of their work. (There are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees.)
Strike it as this subject is discussed here.
If paid signatures are banned I'm okay with it. Why should we ban just for moderators? That would be unfair. Let's ban for everybody. Until that time I'm using this feature to get extra Bitcoin, because I'm not an early adopter like you Legendary guys. I spend my Bitcoin to buy stuff and I support Bitcoin economy and to reach its intrinsic value. Everybody's hoarding, somebody should use it as money.
This is the thread SaltySpitoon: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/understanding-the-automated-transaction-system-at-949438
I complained about an Automated Transactions (AT) topic being moved into the alts section and I get told that that mod might have "gone on holidays" so I just have to wait until they decide to come back.
This is supported by hilariousandco (a new mod who - have a look - has an ad sig).
So now the mods are paid for their posts?
They go on "holiday" whenever they choose after moving your topic and "we should just wait patiently" until they decide what should happen.
Hmm....
(whether or not you care about my issue I think you should care about mods being part of ad sigs campaigns as any reasonable person would know that it is a "conflict of interest")
This is supported by hilariousandco (a new mod who - have a look - has an ad sig).
So now the mods are paid for their posts?
They go on "holiday" whenever they choose after moving your topic and "we should just wait patiently" until they decide what should happen.
Hmm....
(whether or not you care about my issue I think you should care about mods being part of ad sigs campaigns as any reasonable person would know that it is a "conflict of interest")
Its been discussed before, moderators are allowed to have paid advertising signatures. They don't really need to spam to meet their quotas, they can just do general moderator things to meet it, so its not like it changes their behavior. As far as moderators going on "holiday" we aren't employees of the forum, moderators can just dissapear for months at a time without giving anyone notice (although when its known ahead of time its nice to give notice) theres a decent amount of overlap between sections, so if someone who moderates a board goes on hiatus, there should be another person or two who can handle similar reports. That said, if there is a matter between two parties, and one "goes on holiday" I dont think there is really anything anyone can do about that is there?
after reading through your plethora of Meta threads (thanks for that by the way) would you mind posting a link to the Bitcointalk thread? I'll give it another look if you would like, however whoever moved it (assuming it didn't deserve to be moved) does have some precedence, thinking back to how Mastercoin was orginally proposed to be a layer on top of the Bitcoin protocol, but that was ruled to still belong in the alt coin section. So again, if it doesn't deserve to be in the Alt coin section, if your post is really long or technical, I'd guess that it was a very honest mistake.
I disagree with your suggestion that mods be barred from wearing paid signatures. If they are so corruptible, as you suggest, that being paid to display an ad will alter their judgment, then they shouldn't be mods in the first place. Personally, I trust the administration's choice of staff in this respect. Passively gaining a decent amount of income for doing something you would already be doing anyway isn't being "desperate for money", you could say the same of forum ads or ads in general.
Just move the topic back!
I complained about an Automated Transactions (AT) topic being moved into the alts section and I get told that that mod might have "gone on holidays" so I just have to wait until they decide to come back.
This is supported by hilariousandco (a new mod who - have a look - has an ad sig).
So now the mods are paid for their posts?
They go on "holiday" whenever they choose after moving your topic and "we should just wait patiently" until they decide what should happen.
Hmm....
(whether or not you care about my issue I think you should care about mods being part of ad sigs campaigns as any reasonable person would know that it is a "conflict of interest")
This is supported by hilariousandco (a new mod who - have a look - has an ad sig).
So now the mods are paid for their posts?
They go on "holiday" whenever they choose after moving your topic and "we should just wait patiently" until they decide what should happen.
Hmm....
(whether or not you care about my issue I think you should care about mods being part of ad sigs campaigns as any reasonable person would know that it is a "conflict of interest")
okay first is who told you mod gone on holidays? why do you trust them and also
there is no rule that a mod cant use a signature on their sig ads , they will be posting on this forum anyway, so why dont earn some pennies while post on this forum?
and then, mod isnt here 24/7 so you might need to wait a bit until your request is being looked at
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I complained about an Automated Transactions (AT) topic being moved into the alts section and I get told that that mod might have "gone on holidays" so I just have to wait until they decide to come back.
How old are you? You're acting like a child. And speaking of threads being in the wrong section why do you keep posting these in Bitcoin Discussion?
"They" are not against you, but you did seem to have a user asking for the posts to be moved who probably was mistaken.
I agree that "AT" is not an altcoin.
I agree that "AT" is not an altcoin.
Thanks for recognising I am not some "alt coin snake oil salesman" (as that is what I am beginning to think others think of me).
FYI: This is currently posted in the wrong section.
Do you need the assistance of a Mod?
Do you need the assistance of a Mod?
Ha - I don't think they are on my side - do you?
"They" are not against you, but you did seem to have a user asking for the posts to be moved who probably was mistaken.
I agree that 'AT' is not an altcoin.
Some people (such as myself) spend many hours trying to forward the technology of decentralisation (for no profit) but are constantly being *put down* by others that make money from posting with their "ad sigs".
Perhaps it is time for people to decide whether they think this is right?
Perhaps it is time for people to decide whether they think this is right?
FYI: This is currently posted in the wrong section.
Do you need the assistance of a Mod?
Do you need the assistance of a Mod?
Ha - I don't think they are on my side - do you?
FYI: This is currently posted in the wrong section.
Do you need the assistance of a Mod?
Do you need the assistance of a Mod?
I suggest that at a minimum ad sigs should be not allowed for "mods" at all.
(from what I understand the mods get paid by the forum anyway so they have no need to even do this)
If you are so desperate for money then you should not qualify to be a mod IMO (it is not difficult logic to understand that if you are *paid* you are going to be biased).
(from what I understand the mods get paid by the forum anyway so they have no need to even do this)
If you are so desperate for money then you should not qualify to be a mod IMO (it is not difficult logic to understand that if you are *paid* you are going to be biased).
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