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Quote from: STT on October 07, 2023, 02:14:16 PM

If you can type faster then 50 wpm and I know people well over 100 wpm then you need to register your hands as weapons, you might be posting past the speed limit and people don't appreciate. I'm definitely on your side philipma1957 as I could do 50wpm before I was 10, it was required for early computer use, coding so I self learnt.
Now I have to be aware not everyone can type that fast and it could be seen as a negative, I definitely try to go back and check I wrote in a readable way hopefully but the onus is on the writer pretty much. I have 17k posts elsewhere believe it or not so I actually post far less then I could most of the time, I got sympathy for anyone who can type very fast anyhow

I also noticed some terms in a sig campaign, the moderator or operator of that campaign Royce was offering a bounty on AI posts. :

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▶️ If I find campaign members breaching these terms, I will remove them from the campaign immediately.
▶️ If you find AI-written posts for this campaign and report them to me publicly or via PM, you will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner (if your report was successful). Please include as much evidence as possible when submitting a report.

I thought it was worth mentioning and seems very generous to me but please do not just spam him (that'd be ironic Tongue

), be very certain before accusing anyone on this forum and have defined proof to give.

On days I am very relaxed I can do 55-60 but not as easy as it was when I was keypunching data entry cards in the navy. When we were in port and you finished the cards you could knock off work.
So the three off us entering would race. We all could do low 60 speed with no errors.

Fuck that is almost fifty years ago 1978-2023 45 to be exact.

As for burst 💥 posting I think this is my 60th post in three days. since last payout. I only need 40,but in the next few,days I will post at least 50 more. Say 110 for the week.

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If you can type faster then 50 wpm and I know people well over 100 wpm then you need to register your hands as weapons, you might be posting past the speed limit and people don't appreciate. I'm definitely on your side philipma1957 as I could do 50wpm before I was 10, it was required for early computer use, coding so I self learnt.
Now I have to be aware not everyone can type that fast and it could be seen as a negative, I definitely try to go back and check I wrote in a readable way hopefully but the onus is on the writer pretty much. I have 17k posts elsewhere believe it or not so I actually post far less then I could most of the time, I got sympathy for anyone who can type very fast anyhow

I also noticed some terms in a sig campaign, the moderator or operator of that campaign Royce was offering a bounty on AI posts. :

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▶️ If I find campaign members breaching these terms, I will remove them from the campaign immediately.
▶️ If you find AI-written posts for this campaign and report them to me publicly or via PM, you will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner (if your report was successful). Please include as much evidence as possible when submitting a report.

I thought it was worth mentioning and seems very generous to me but please do not just spam him (that'd be ironic Tongue

), be very certain before accusing anyone on this forum and have defined proof to give.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 03, 2023, 06:24:30 AM

Quote from: SamReomo on September 30, 2023, 11:28:02 AM

I believe that even top posters won't be able to make 10 constructive posts in an hour because we as humans need to have some rest after making some posts.

I guess it would depend on the strict definition of "constructive". If that doesn't necessarily include post length, 10 posts in an hour is not only possible but I think I've done it before and probably others have as well. Sometimes there are discussions where there's actually back-and-forth conversations between members (which unfortunately isn't the case most of the time), and if that back-and-forth is fast enough, it'd be easy to make 10 or more in an hour.

I don't think rest has anything to do with posting. It's more a matter of finding threads that catch your interest and in which you can write something halfway decent instead of just writing a very generic, vague, and poorly-constructed series of words--and that's generally what burst posters do. I've seen them in action plenty of times, and I can say with certainty that there's only one exception that I've ever seen to that rule but I'll be damned if I can remember that member's name. He got called out for it, but the stuff he was writing was by no means crappy.

This the most important part of writing a good reply post to a thread. Find something you understand and can relate to. I am in posting and reading mode at the moment. I read 1 or 2 pages of a section. I look at 1 or 2 pages of my last posts. I look at the last 20 posts I merited and I look at the last 20 posts I got.

I read 3 pages of
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I read bitcoin discussion
I read economics
I read mining

And this can all take 2 hours time I may only find 2 threads to reply to. Or six or 7.

This is a routine I do 2 times every day so say 4 hours a day on the forum is very typical time frame for me.

But mining and gear sales is my business. They got slow and I opened a signature I do not do that very often.

In order to do a good job I spend more time looking for good threads .

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 03, 2023, 06:24:30 AM

Sometimes there are discussions where there's actually back-and-forth conversations between members (which unfortunately isn't the case most of the time), and if that back-and-forth is fast enough, it'd be easy to make 10 or more in an hour.

I agree with you that with back and forth conversations between two members it's actually possible to make more than 10 posts in an hour, but during those conversations we really don't care much about the constructiveness of the posts but focus mainly on continuing the conversation so that it can be helpful for both parties and also for the other members who later read that conversation.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 03, 2023, 06:24:30 AM

I don't think rest has anything to do with posting. It's more a matter of finding threads that catch your interest and in which you can write something halfway decent

Rest has nothing to do with the posting in general but as humans we have limited energy and sometimes we really have to take rests in order get enough energy to think better. The interest in a thread is the most important thing without it we really can't write anything helpful at all. Sometimes we have interest in threads and we are also knowledgeable enough to write something in that thread but due to lack of energy we may not be able to make very helpful posts.

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Quote from: Poker Player on October 03, 2023, 10:10:10 AM

I don't think I've ever gotten that far, what I do usually write is about 5 posts in that time, which is when I usually connect during the week, sometimes it's in 50 minutes or an hour and 20 minutes. Or it's 4 posts instead of 5 but writing about a post every 12 minutes on average in an hour I do.

If you're doing that and writing at the level that you are (which indeed is above average for bitcointalk IMO) you're definitely not burst posting. The way I see it, burst posting is like hardcore pornography. It's hard to define it precisely, but you know it when you see it (that's paraphrasing SCOTUS Justice Potter Stewart, FYI). When I look at my feed of unread threads and I look down the list at the most recent poster and see that the same member's name appears in most of the first ten threads and maybe even more, when I look to see what that member wrote it's a few lines of nonconstructive, generic nonsense. Every single time--and I've seen that happen more times than I'd care to.

You got accused of burst posting? That's just plain stupid, and your accusers ought to flog themselves in shame.

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Burst posting is not always bad and those posts are not only bad in quality.

If they are good posts, who care about burst posting?

The issue with burst posting is with it posters usually make shit posts. So if burst posts are shit posts, it will become problems for campaign managers because they will waste money of business companies by paying to shit posts and shit posters. They as campaign managers are against low quality posts, not only burst posts.

Posts are make after few hours don't mean they are quality posts and can be shit posts too.

[EXPERIMENT] Testing the Limits of Shitposting. It's an interesting test.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 03, 2023, 06:24:30 AM

Quote from: SamReomo on September 30, 2023, 11:28:02 AM

I believe that even top posters won't be able to make 10 constructive posts in an hour because we as humans need to have some rest after making some posts.

I guess it would depend on the strict definition of "constructive". If that doesn't necessarily include post length, 10 posts in an hour is not only possible but I think I've done it before and probably others have as well.

I don't think I've ever gotten that far, what I do usually write is about 5 posts in that time, which is when I usually connect during the week, sometimes it's in 50 minutes or an hour and 20 minutes. Or it's 4 posts instead of 5 but writing about a post every 12 minutes on average in an hour I do.

I was once accused of being a burst poster, which I didn't agree with, because to begin with I wouldn't be, but if you look at where I write (usually in the first or second page) and the quality of what I write, which without being top is not bad, and it was recognized by those who said that I was burst posting, it is clear that I am not. And precisely my manager, who is the one quoted in the OP, doesn't think I am either.

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I have actually came across some profile that are doing post bursting which are not encouraging and how to know bursting posts are just click on the users profile check the time between when he creates or comments on a topic. Usually there are some discussion you would engaged yourself with like an active thread or topic where questions are often coming you can be replying to them but doesn't subjected the campaign you are promoting.

10 to 20 minutes is enough time to post between different sections but it should be in line with what the topic is saying most people often reply to a thread based on the title without reading the content and when replying you can be partially off the track of what they are saying in the whole thread by so doing to me I can consider it as post bursting I don't know of other members.

For a campaign participant's it doesn't mean you must complete all your post within a week but the must important thing is to meet your minimal requirements, than to involve yourself with post bursting.

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If you post one post and then post another if there is not much time gap between the two posts, then that post is considered as a burst post. If you are involved in a campaign and are asked to refrain from posting bursts, you must post with a gap. But if you do 15 to 20 posts every day then you won't get much time gap after each post, because if you don't get enough time gap due to excess posting then that post will not be considered as bust post. If you post four or five per day, make sure to take a break after each post.

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Quote from: SamReomo on September 30, 2023, 11:28:02 AM

I believe that even top posters won't be able to make 10 constructive posts in an hour because we as humans need to have some rest after making some posts.

I guess it would depend on the strict definition of "constructive". If that doesn't necessarily include post length, 10 posts in an hour is not only possible but I think I've done it before and probably others have as well. Sometimes there are discussions where there's actually back-and-forth conversations between members (which unfortunately isn't the case most of the time), and if that back-and-forth is fast enough, it'd be easy to make 10 or more in an hour.

I don't think rest has anything to do with posting. It's more a matter of finding threads that catch your interest and in which you can write something halfway decent instead of just writing a very generic, vague, and poorly-constructed series of words--and that's generally what burst posters do. I've seen them in action plenty of times, and I can say with certainty that there's only one exception that I've ever seen to that rule but I'll be damned if I can remember that member's name. He got called out for it, but the stuff he was writing was by no means crappy.

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Quote from: Mariah20 on September 30, 2023, 11:16:39 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on September 30, 2023, 01:45:10 PM

Quote from: crwth on September 30, 2023, 01:40:29 PM

I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting. Maybe it could help other managers as well if they haven't already talked about it or something. The posts that some of the members made are obviously helpful for determining what is burst posting etc but it can be different for icopress.

Now I just did 5 posts in 14 minutes. They all add to the threads I posted on.

5 posts 14 minutes sound wrong maybe burst posting.

But I will do a dozen more today which is 17 posts. I need 6 to get full pay. so I am 11 over and not concerned about bursting posts.

Why do we put restrictions on people so they do not do many posts in quick time, when there are not any restrictions from the forum end Huh

I don't think they gave any restrictions on how or the time to post, is just that whenever someone makes a post like making up to 10 posts in an hour, 7 of those post ain't constructive is like they just did it to beat the time and the remaining 3 was careful arranged to meet up standard post, so these rushing to make up to 10 post in an hour is sometimes out desperation and it makes all 10 post useless and they can be #shittypost. And is not like a restriction was placed to drop many post in a quick time like you said.

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Posting should be done at whatever pace anyone likes.

Posting should be done at anytime, yes... But must it must pass a meaningful message across. Ok, What if the post doesn't send any meaningful message and it is created out of hurry? Can you applaud that post? I don't think so.
That's why they're trying as much as they can to keep this Forum in check, so that no one can just come and start dropping post that doesn't make any sense because you saw other users dropping theirs and you feel you can do it any how, the Forum won't be in other if the whole Forum has unconstructive post.

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Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 01:22:08 PM

I guess, post bursting implies not only a short period of time between posts, but also a short length of the post itself.

Post bursting has always meant posting successively without a cool off/ timeout especially if it is 3 or more most all down under 5-10 minutes especially if it's meant to reach weekly quota of sig requirement & also falls out of your usual posting style!
Btw, anything to do with the length of a post usually implies quality subject to a campaign manager's interpretation especially if it's in line with sigs.

Quote from: crwth on September 30, 2023, 01:40:29 PM

I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting.

Eagerly waiting for this one too, but probably CM looks for a spike in the last 7 days of the graph and analyses these posts for any possible burst posting Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 01:22:08 PM

I guess, post bursting implies not only a short period of time between posts, but also a short length of the post itself.

The length of a post does not determine the quality it adds to the discussion.
Many users wrongly relate post length to quality and this causes then to throw in a lot of fillers to make the reply look muh longer than it's necessary.

Managers add that character limit and set it very low as a baseline precaution, so users don't just write 'good observation there' and expect it to be counted.

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I guess, post bursting implies not only a short period of time between posts, but also a short length of the post itself. After all, a person does not have time to write something substantial and extensive in 3-5 minutes, so that it is relevant to the discussion. If he or she writes a lot of posts in such a short time, then usually, it is a one-sentence answer. This can be confirmed by another rule that icopress introduced.

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Quote from: crwth on September 30, 2023, 01:40:29 PM

I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting. Maybe it could help other managers as well if they haven't already talked about it or something. The posts that some of the members made are obviously helpful for determining what is burst posting etc but it can be different for icopress.

I am not sure he will open his cards. Especially giving that he reserves the right to interpret his rules as he deems necessary.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on September 30, 2023, 04:29:31 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on September 30, 2023, 01:45:10 PM

Now I just did 5 posts in 14 minutes. They all add to the threads I posted on.

5 posts 14 minutes sound wrong maybe burst posting.

But I will do a dozen more today which is 17 posts. I need 6 to get full pay. so I am 11 over and not concerned about bursting posts.

Post bursting is not just about how many posts you do within a particular time in the forum. If the posts are made consecutively or within a short time period as you said; to my understanding, it can only be labeled post bursting if they contain very low quality and of course, every manager will refer to such posts as low quality and are basically done to reach the minimum quota for payout of the week.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 30, 2023, 04:09:39 PM

Yeah, you have already been explained how to use ninja stic to check post bursting, but a good example of what I understand as post bursting on the forum is if you are in a campaign and you only use 1, 2, or 3 days to make the maximum of 25–50 posts for that weekly tenor, while you are expected to split the 25–50 posts into at least 5 or 6 days.

You have a point in what you refer to as post bursting in your opinion but I don’t seem to be convinced with it. But looking at it from this angle again, If a user used 1,2,3 days to reach the minimum quota of the post for the week and stop posting for the remaining days for reasons known to him/her, that shouldn’t be seen as post bursting especially if the posts are of high quality. I think post bursting is commenting on a thread that has no discussion going on or abandoned for a very long time in order to add your input which might have already been discussed severally in that topic, that’s what I refer to as post bursting in my understanding.

So my last cycle for payment ended sept 27. New cycle began sept 28. That would be 28, 29, 30, 1
four days so far> I have done 53 posts my max is 40 and I think of the 53 done 42 are in good sections. So I could stop for the week and argue I am done. Of course my manager could say you stopped and did not post the last three days.

As I said I am not the right example cause everyone knows I will get back to posting next week and that I post way over what is needed. But I can see if a lessor guy did 40 posts in 2 days and did not post for the next 5 that a manager would be annoyed even if the 40 posts were good.

As for post shit posts in dead threads yeh that is an easy peasy violation of burst posting. It would be interesting for a manager to talk about the guy that did good posts and enough, but in only days 1 and 2 for a week time slot.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on September 30, 2023, 01:45:10 PM

Quote from: crwth on September 30, 2023, 01:40:29 PM

I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting. Maybe it could help other managers as well if they haven't already talked about it or something. The posts that some of the members made are obviously helpful for determining what is burst posting etc but it can be different for icopress.

Now I just did 5 posts in 14 minutes. They all add to the threads I posted on.

5 posts 14 minutes sound wrong maybe burst posting.

But I will do a dozen more today which is 17 posts. I need 6 to get full pay. so I am 11 over and not concerned about bursting posts.

Why do we put restrictions on people so they do not do many posts in quick time, when there are not any restrictions from the forum end Huh

Posting should be done at whatever pace anyone likes. Also, there are some shitposting being done keeping certain time intervals between them but this does not make them constructive.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on September 30, 2023, 01:45:10 PM

Now I just did 5 posts in 14 minutes. They all add to the threads I posted on.

5 posts 14 minutes sound wrong maybe burst posting.

But I will do a dozen more today which is 17 posts. I need 6 to get full pay. so I am 11 over and not concerned about bursting posts.

Post bursting is not just about how many posts you do within a particular time in the forum. If the posts are made consecutively or within a short time period as you said; to my understanding, it can only be labeled post bursting if they contain very low quality and of course, every manager will refer to such posts as low quality and are basically done to reach the minimum quota for payout of the week.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 30, 2023, 04:09:39 PM

Yeah, you have already been explained how to use ninja stic to check post bursting, but a good example of what I understand as post bursting on the forum is if you are in a campaign and you only use 1, 2, or 3 days to make the maximum of 25–50 posts for that weekly tenor, while you are expected to split the 25–50 posts into at least 5 or 6 days.

You have a point in what you refer to as post bursting in your opinion but I don’t seem to be convinced with it. But looking at it from this angle again, If a user used 1,2,3 days to reach the minimum quota of the post for the week and stop posting for the remaining days for reasons known to him/her, that shouldn’t be seen as post bursting especially if the posts are of high quality. I think post bursting is commenting on a thread that has no discussion going on or abandoned for a very long time in order to add your input which might have already been discussed severally in that topic, that’s what I refer to as post bursting in my understanding.

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Yeah, you have already been explained how to use ninja stic to check post bursting, but a good example of what I understand as post bursting on the forum is if you are in a campaign and you only use 1, 2, or 3 days to make the maximum of 25–50 posts for that weekly tenor, while you are expected to split the 25–50 posts into at least 5 or 6 days.

If you are expected to do a maximum of 25 or 50 posts in a week (7 days), you can do 5 or 10 posts each day for that one week, but if you only use two days to make the 25 posts, then it will be considered post-bursting.

I sometimes do about three or four posts per hour, which means I could end up doing about 20 posts for that day.

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Quote from: crwth on September 30, 2023, 01:40:29 PM

I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting. Maybe it could help other managers as well if they haven't already talked about it or something. The posts that some of the members made are obviously helpful for determining what is burst posting etc but it can be different for icopress.

Now I just did 5 posts in 14 minutes. They all add to the threads I posted on.

5 posts 14 minutes sound wrong maybe burst posting.

But I will do a dozen more today which is 17 posts. I need 6 to get full pay. so I am 11 over and not concerned about bursting posts.

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I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting. Maybe it could help other managers as well if they haven't already talked about it or something. The posts that some of the members made are obviously helpful for determining what is burst posting etc but it can be different for icopress.

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