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Topic: How to deal with haters in positions of authority? (Read 2498 times)

newbie
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No point in becoming susceptible  to the negative attitudes of other people.
sr. member
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Discussion of it is forever banned on overclock.net.  Not exactly sure of the logic behind it.

The logic is that they had some teams on SETI or protein folding or other CPU for glory and perhaps money schemes, and bitcoin was eating into that.


Satoshi should have just said that the "CPU work" was also used for decoding alien messages -- problem solved! Cheesy


The main problem is this law:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

sr. member
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Discussion of it is forever banned on overclock.net.  Not exactly sure of the logic behind it.

The logic is that they had some teams on SETI or protein folding or other CPU for glory and perhaps money schemes, and bitcoin was eating into that.
mrb
legendary
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On certain boards the topics are immediately crushed/deleted/warnings handed out just for mentioning what they claim is a "pyramid scheme"...I'm actual quite surprised by this huge amount of inexplicable aggression towards bitcoin by some people.

With all the recent press about Bitcoin, it is easy to point misinformed people to media giving it legitimacy:

- Bloomberg TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVVECKKSXo
- NY Times: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/
- CNBC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1POVoi9NPk
legendary
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Primedice.com, Stake.com
The curious and wise will find btc, and that is what matters. From there others will discover it.
member
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Ive found that some people are politically against Bitcoin and therefore think its ok to say whatever they can to stop it.


The real mystery to me is why someone would be politically against Bitcoin if they aren't rich. Are fiat currencies so good for you that you should seek to fight all alternatives?

You're scratching the tip of the (rapidly melting) iceberg with that.

Why do people in the poorest states of the US - those states one can affectionately refer to as "The Arc of Republican Poverty" - consistently vote against decent public health care?

Why do people who will never have two nickels to rub together consistently elect politicians who give away the public coffers to the wealthy while at the same time raising taxes on the middle class and even the poor?

Why do politicians all over the world get elected by promising to hold the banks faultless?

Let me refine your question a little bit:

How is it that people are consistently convinced to vote against their own self-interest?
hero member
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Let the flapping heads flap, and we just need to keep doing what we're doing.

With anything new there will always be uninformed naysayers, haters, etc. I don't pay attention to what they say because I don't give a shit. In doing, we will prove them wrong. By succeeding, they are defeated. Spend more energy pushing the fold instead of pushing their lies and propaganda.
legendary
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Bitcoins seem to get pretty well dispersed now, due to the difficulty of creating them and the number of people involved. Creation of new coins should have followed a logistic curve instead of log. Or maybe even in proportion to the number of transactions. That might have been more stable. The whole bitcoin economy is hostage to early adopters periodically removing vast amounts of other people's wealth basically for doing nothing at all.

Still, what's done is done. Not much can be done about it now. But it's something to consider if and when a new currency is designed.

At the time, nobody knew what a crypto-currency was (except for the lucky few who happened to be interested in the subject.)  Given that Bitcoin is likely to fail at some point in time in the future (even if we're counting beyond our own lives), by then, if most people know what Bitcoin is/was, and Bitcoin 2 released its genesis block, there would be a much larger number of people lining up to take a slice.  Then it would be much more balanced, and much more spread out.  But you gotta start somewhere, and someone's gotta do the mining to keep the whole thing afloat.
hero member
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It's a common misconception that only the originator of a pyramid scheme profits.  It is very common for several in not most of the levels to do so.  The defining quality is that the bottom most, last to get on board lose and their loses are what those earlier in the scheme pocket.

Did you just describe cyprus ?
newbie
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Bitcoin was designed to make people who got in early incredibly wealthy at the expense of everyone else. So, yeah, it's similar to a pyramid scheme. There's another thread on this forum estimating the guy who can up with bitcoin's wealth. Take a look at that some time.

There's no other way to do it in a natural way.  Just look at how Ripple's handling the opposite of how Satoshi did it.  Look how well that'll work out.

Bitcoins seem to get pretty well dispersed now, due to the difficulty of creating them and the number of people involved. Creation of new coins should have followed a logistic curve instead of log. Or maybe even in proportion to the number of transactions. That might have been more stable. The whole bitcoin economy is hostage to early adopters periodically removing vast amounts of other people's wealth basically for doing nothing at all.

Still, what's done is done. Not much can be done about it now. But it's something to consider if and when a new currency is designed.
legendary
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Bitcoin was designed to make people who got in early incredibly wealthy at the expense of everyone else. So, yeah, it's similar to a pyramid scheme. There's another thread on this forum estimating the guy who can up with bitcoin's wealth. Take a look at that some time.

There's no other way to do it in a natural way.  Just look at how Ripple's handling the opposite of how Satoshi did it.  Look how well that'll work out.
newbie
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Bitcoin was designed to make people who got in early incredibly wealthy at the expense of everyone else. So, yeah, it's similar to a pyramid scheme. There's another thread on this forum estimating the guy who can up with bitcoin's wealth. Take a look at that some time.
hero member
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Go on a gold trading website like Kitco and look in the forums for bitcoin. You'd think these tinfoil hat gold standard guys would be all over bitcoin. Nope: it's a 'pyramid scheme' invented by the feds or monopoly money. Even more surprisingly, none of these gold companies want to take BTC for payment, even using bitpay.com where the price is fixed , guaranteed and they are paid cash to bank account next day. Total morons. They would boost sales instantly if they did, be exposed to no risk either because if bitpay doesn't pay you out then don't ship. Right now they want bank wires and hold for days or mailed cashiers cheques. DA FUQ. It's not like gold is covered by any fincen or other regulations. You can freely sell up to $10k worth no ID.


Even Alex Jones is against Bitcoin now. I've even had arguments with people on this forum claiming Bitcoin early adopters are the new Rothschilds and are part of the Illuminati.
hero member
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Ive found that some people are politically against Bitcoin and therefore think its ok to say whatever they can to stop it.


The real mystery to me is why someone would be politically against Bitcoin if they aren't rich. Are fiat currencies so good for you that you should seek to fight all alternatives?
hero member
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I have noticed that on some general message boards that I am a long time member, there have recently been a lot of bitcoin threads popping up.

On certain boards the topics are immediately crushed/deleted/warnings handed out just for mentioning what they claim is a "pyramid scheme"...I'm actual quite surprised by this huge amount of inexplicable aggression towards bitcoin by some people.

And there is no reasoning with them, they throw out total incorrect facts, or outdated articles and when you show them that this information is incorrect they basically  stick their fingers in their ears and then warn you again.

I just don't understand where is all this hate coming from (and i was encountering this long before the recent $250 price spike/crash, so it's not just coming from people burned at $250)

It's a shame because their ignorance is costing other people from learning useful information.

Google astroturfing. This is politics and if you use Bitcoin you are an enemy of most authoritarian types.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 510
I have noticed that on some general message boards that I am a long time member, there have recently been a lot of bitcoin threads popping up.

On certain boards the topics are immediately crushed/deleted/warnings handed out just for mentioning what they claim is a "pyramid scheme"...I'm actual quite surprised by this huge amount of inexplicable aggression towards bitcoin by some people.

And there is no reasoning with them, they throw out total incorrect facts, or outdated articles and when you show them that this information is incorrect they basically  stick their fingers in their ears and then warn you again.

I just don't understand where is all this hate coming from (and i was encountering this long before the recent $250 price spike/crash, so it's not just coming from people burned at $250)

It's a shame because their ignorance is costing other people from learning useful information.

They hate Bitcoin because Bitcoin was making the wrong people rich.
hero member
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Merit: 1002
Go on a gold trading website like Kitco and look in the forums for bitcoin. You'd think these tinfoil hat gold standard guys would be all over bitcoin. Nope: it's a 'pyramid scheme' invented by the feds or monopoly money. Even more surprisingly, none of these gold companies want to take BTC for payment, even using bitpay.com where the price is fixed , guaranteed and they are paid cash to bank account next day. Total morons. They would boost sales instantly if they did, be exposed to no risk either because if bitpay doesn't pay you out then don't ship. Right now they want bank wires and hold for days or mailed cashiers cheques. DA FUQ. It's not like gold is covered by any fincen or other regulations. You can freely sell up to $10k worth no ID.
hero member
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No Maps for These Territories
Discussion of it is forever banned on overclock.net.  Not exactly sure of the logic behind it.
Probably their way of thinking is that they are protecting their members from doing stupid things like buying BTCs with their parent's life savings or taking part in scams. Though granted, censorship is a pretty stupid solution for that. That said, many freedom loving people change into rabid censorship advocates as soon as there's (for example) kids involved.

Their attitude may change once/when bitcoin becomes more well-known and is mentioned in fleeting conversation as a payment scheme instead of pump/dump-ish hype topics Smiley
sr. member
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It's a common misconception that only the originator of a pyramid scheme profits.  It is very common for several in not most of the levels to do so.  The defining quality is that the bottom most, last to get on board lose and their loses are what those earlier in the scheme pocket.
legendary
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"Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme!"



Surprise!  Except in this case, there's no single head raking in all the cash.
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