How to Defeat ISIS and the hate. - page 2.

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Quote from: bitsmichel on February 09, 2016, 05:59:30 AM

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Quote from: Harry Hood on November 17, 2015, 02:10:29 AM

Are you kidding? This IS what ISIS is doing in Syria to the Syrian people. Murdering, pillaging, raping, eradicating those who they think are infidels.

It's awful.

And your facts on the US are terrible incorrect. Yes, there was a lot of fighting and killing but there wasn't rape, there wasn't forced marriage, there wasn't mass murder. Please get your facts straight or lose the passive aggressive approach toward your distaste for the US.

Its not really my thought, I do not hate the US, but your telling me native Americans weren't murdered? conquered? from their own country? Edit and women weren't raped?

It's history. All of the world murdered and conquered. The US is a great country, ISIS land is hell.

i agree with you .. god save the us.. isis are full of bastards..

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Quote from: Daniel91 on February 10, 2016, 11:07:59 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 10, 2016, 11:00:01 AM

Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 10:26:29 AM

Russian wars since the end of WW2:

Korean War
Hungarian Revolution
Invasion of Czechoslovakia
War of Attrition
Eritrean War of Independence
Angolan Civil War
Ethio-Somali War
Soviet-Afghan War

Which Russia are you talking about? Russia was not existent from 1917 to 1992. Perhaps you need a few history lessons as well. The USSR is not equal to Russia. The USSR was a union of 15 different republics, including Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan.etc. Now if you want to compare USSR with the US, then it is for another topic.

Also, if I remember well, USSR wasn't involved in Korean War but China.
In Angola Cuba send soldiers, not USSR.
Any way, let's back to original question.
You can defeat organization or state but can't defeat hate.
Hate is individual issue, and each of us have to deal with it.
Nobody can fight with feelings of people

That's why war kills the other people. Can't defeat them simply fighting them.

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Yes, someone wants civil war to break out in Europe. But it's too late to defend ourselves, just look at this subsection, people are digging their own graves

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 10, 2016, 11:00:01 AM

Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 10:26:29 AM

Russian wars since the end of WW2:

Korean War
Hungarian Revolution
Invasion of Czechoslovakia
War of Attrition
Eritrean War of Independence
Angolan Civil War
Ethio-Somali War
Soviet-Afghan War

Which Russia are you talking about? Russia was not existent from 1917 to 1992. Perhaps you need a few history lessons as well. The USSR is not equal to Russia. The USSR was a union of 15 different republics, including Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan.etc. Now if you want to compare USSR with the US, then it is for another topic.

Also, if I remember well, USSR wasn't involved in Korean War but China.
In Angola Cuba send soldiers, not USSR.
Any way, let's back to original question.
You can defeat organization or state but can't defeat hate.
Hate is individual issue, and each of us have to deal with it.
Nobody can fight with feelings of people

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Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 10:26:29 AM

Russian wars since the end of WW2:

Korean War
Hungarian Revolution
Invasion of Czechoslovakia
War of Attrition
Eritrean War of Independence
Angolan Civil War
Ethio-Somali War
Soviet-Afghan War

Which Russia are you talking about? Russia was not existent from 1917 to 1992. Perhaps you need a few history lessons as well. The USSR is not equal to Russia. The USSR was a union of 15 different republics, including Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan.etc. Now if you want to compare USSR with the US, then it is for another topic.

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Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 10:26:29 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 10, 2016, 07:32:43 AM

Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 06:37:32 AM

You are blaming the US but Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and tons of others are doing the same with different social motivations.

We are blaming the US because it is the root cause of terrorism around the world. Ever since the end of the WW2 in 1945, the United States have invaded or triggered proxy wars in more than 70 countries. The Al Qaeda was funded and armed by the CIA, at least in the starting phase. The Americans have toppled secular governments in the middle east, and have replaced them with hardline Islamist regimes.

I remain sceptical. What makes you think other superpowers don't do the same?

Russian wars since the end of WW2:

Korean War
Hungarian Revolution
Invasion of Czechoslovakia
War of Attrition
Eritrean War of Independence
Angolan Civil War
Ethio-Somali War
Soviet-Afghan War
War in Abkhazia
War of Transnistria
East Prigorodny Conflict
Civil War in Tajikistan
Georgian Civil War
First Chechen War
War of Dagestan
Second Chechen War
Russo-Georgian War
North Caucasus Insurgency
Annexation of Crimea
War in Donbass
Intervention in Syria

Chinese wars since WW2:

Chinese Civil War
Invasion of Tibet
Korean War
Vietnam War
Sino-India war
Sino-soviet border conflict
Sino-vietnamese war
Balochistan conflict
Syrian War

In addition, America with its gun freedom is keeping the rest of the world free. How? The leaders of the other nations of the world are afraid that if they enslave their people too much, the people will take a hard look at American gun freedom, and will make guns, themselves. Then the leaders of these nations will die, at the hands of their own people they were enslaving.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 10, 2016, 07:32:43 AM

Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 06:37:32 AM

You are blaming the US but Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and tons of others are doing the same with different social motivations.

We are blaming the US because it is the root cause of terrorism around the world. Ever since the end of the WW2 in 1945, the United States have invaded or triggered proxy wars in more than 70 countries. The Al Qaeda was funded and armed by the CIA, at least in the starting phase. The Americans have toppled secular governments in the middle east, and have replaced them with hardline Islamist regimes.

I remain sceptical. What makes you think other superpowers don't do the same?

Russian wars since the end of WW2:

Korean War
Hungarian Revolution
Invasion of Czechoslovakia
War of Attrition
Eritrean War of Independence
Angolan Civil War
Ethio-Somali War
Soviet-Afghan War
War in Abkhazia
War of Transnistria
East Prigorodny Conflict
Civil War in Tajikistan
Georgian Civil War
First Chechen War
War of Dagestan
Second Chechen War
Russo-Georgian War
North Caucasus Insurgency
Annexation of Crimea
War in Donbass
Intervention in Syria

Chinese wars since WW2:

Chinese Civil War
Invasion of Tibet
Korean War
Vietnam War
Sino-India war
Sino-soviet border conflict
Sino-vietnamese war
Balochistan conflict
Syrian War

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Quote from: bitsmichel on February 10, 2016, 06:37:32 AM

You are blaming the US but Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and tons of others are doing the same with different social motivations.

We are blaming the US because it is the root cause of terrorism around the world. Ever since the end of the WW2 in 1945, the United States have invaded or triggered proxy wars in more than 70 countries. The Al Qaeda was funded and armed by the CIA, at least in the starting phase. The Americans have toppled secular governments in the middle east, and have replaced them with hardline Islamist regimes.

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hey you, yeah you, fuck you!!!

Challenge for Defense Secretary: Get Arab Allies to Do More to Combat ISIS

BRUSSELS — When Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter convenes a meeting here on Thursday to cajole about two dozen of his counterparts into contributing more to the American-led campaign against the Islamic State, he will face one of his biggest leadership tests since he took office a year ago.

President Obama told Mr. Carter in December that as the administration intensifies its efforts against the Islamic State, other countries — particularly Arab ones — need to do more. Mr. Carter said Tuesday that he was confident he would leave the meeting this week with pledges of aid like air support, special forces, trainers and money.

But foreign policy analysts and former American diplomats say that while the administration may gain some help from European allies, it continues to miscalculate what the Arab countries are willing to do.

“The thing is, the Islamic State is nobody’s top enemy,” said Ryan C. Crocker, a former United States ambassador to Iraq. “For the Turks, the enemy is the Kurds, and for the Sunni Arabs, it’s Iran, followed by Assad,” he added, referring to President Bashar al-Assad of Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/world/middleeast/challenge-for-defense-secretary-get-arab-allies-to-do-more-to-combat-isis.html?ref=world

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Quote from: arbitrage on February 10, 2016, 03:51:56 AM

Quote from: zenitzz on February 09, 2016, 12:07:38 PM

don't worry their working on war with Russia and China plenty of countries to destroy yet Always a new boogie man for the US imperialists and war contractors.

US works on destabilization of whole region, and as always they came as saviors of humans rights and democracy but in reality, they care only for crude oil.

All countries have commercial or strategic interests but you can't convince soldiers or citizens that these are good reasons. They need "bad guy", "terrorist", "the new hitler","democracy" or some other kind of social motivation. Turn on your TV and you know who the new bad guys are Grin

You are blaming the US but Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and tons of others are doing the same with different social motivations.

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Quote from: Spendulus on February 09, 2016, 10:39:58 AM

Quote from: gregyoung14 on February 09, 2016, 10:19:33 AM

Guess people among all nations especially those who are being terrorized by ISIS ought not to merit them the hate they are soliciting.

This is practically their primary goal. To spread fear and terror among everyone. That is so it would be much easier for them to penetrate deeper into the system and get what they want.

So there is no difference between terrorists in middle eastern countries hiding behind women, children, schools, mosques and such; and terrorists hiding behind refugees in Europe?

I have to say yes. However different terrorist organization they are - they still share one common goal. And that is to instill fear among nations. Basically for their own self profit.

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Quote from: zenitzz on February 09, 2016, 12:07:38 PM

don't worry their working on war with Russia and China plenty of countries to destroy yet Always a new boogie man for the US imperialists and war contractors.

US works on destabilization of whole region, and as always they came as saviors of humans rights and democracy but in reality, they care only for crude oil.

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We British tried doing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10eLCX9Bnk
And look what happened

So now we wait for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ealCuCWzpOQ

When all along should be doing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NidBgt9pdv8

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Quote from: bizerinm on February 09, 2016, 07:18:49 PM

Destroy them it's the only way. They are sadists and insane, and they are hiding behind religion. Today is arrested woman of one of leaders of ISIS

Unfortunately, ISIS is only the latest in hundreds of incarnations of radical Jihad, going back decades. Today it is a new phenomena, though. It is an Internet and cellular phone based radical Islam. This does not have a central "Head" of an organization which if it is cut off, the organization dies.

It's necessary to combat, and beat them in the world of ideas. This means showing them why it is wrong to hate Jews, why it is not okay to cut off hands and feet, and why it is a bad idea to stone women to death.

I am of the opinion that the radical grows from the moderate, which is already quite radical by Western standards. These people believe that "Islam is perfect," by the way. Failures occur in people that try to follow Islam, but not in Islam itself.

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Destroy them it's the only way. They are sadists and insane, and they are hiding behind religion. Today is arrested woman of one of leaders of ISIS

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Quote from: Spendulus on February 09, 2016, 12:45:21 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2016, 12:32:51 PM

Nuke the Middle East. And at this stage of the game, we're going to have to nuke Europe as well.

By the way. Don't nuke out of hatred. Nuke them emotionlessly, coldly and calculatingly.

I'd prefer to wait for Skynet, thanks.

Nuke Skynet, too.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2016, 12:32:51 PM

Nuke the Middle East. And at this stage of the game, we're going to have to nuke Europe as well.

By the way. Don't nuke out of hatred. Nuke them emotionlessly, coldly and calculatingly.

I'd prefer to wait for Skynet, thanks.

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Nuke the Middle East. And at this stage of the game, we're going to have to nuke Europe as well.

By the way. Don't nuke out of hatred. Nuke them emotionlessly, coldly and calculatingly.

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Quote from: Harry Hood on November 17, 2015, 02:10:29 AM

Are you kidding? This IS what ISIS is doing in Syria to the Syrian people. Murdering, pillaging, raping, eradicating those who they think are infidels.

It's awful.

And your facts on the US are terrible incorrect. Yes, there was a lot of fighting and killing but there wasn't rape, there wasn't forced marriage, there wasn't mass murder. Please get your facts straight or lose the passive aggressive approach toward your distaste for the US.

i totally aggree with you.. isis and us are not the same thing.. this is so unfair..

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All those now destroyed countries with dictatorship were very prosperous, rich and without problems. Why? Because those radical tribes must keep calm. They probably performed their interpretation of islam quiet, but in public no problems. When so called 'democracy' came all evil spread. Now Europe have big problem.

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