What "reason" did theymos give you?
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Topic: How to discuss hardware manufacturers was Re: BFL fucked us over again (Read 2066 times)
November 19, 2014, 11:03:44 AM
November 19, 2014, 06:43:37 AM
While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.Fact: Joshua "Inaba" / "Nitrowolf" Zerlan of Butterfly Labs made it part of his career to dox and intimidate vocal people in the community that spoke out against them.
Fact: Josh Zerlan of Butterfly Labs paid Michael "Theymos" Marquardt significant advertising funds over the course of perpetuating their fraud[1].
Fact: Michael Marquardt did nothing to remove the dox that Joshua Zerlan posted despite protestations of his victims.
Fact: Michael Marquardt bans people that post his dox, and removes the offending posts while allowing Butterfly Labs' intimidation dox to remain.
Ergo, Michael Marquardt is a profiteering hypocrite who materially benefitted from Butterfly Labs and others that defrauded this community, while taking their advertising monies, looking the other way, and allows them to continue their bad behavior while he bans others for the same bad behavior.
Finally, I need to again call attention to the fact Michael Marquardt is paying out, by his own admission, an absolutely asinine sum of $100,000[2] per month for development of new forums software.
-Christian "Xian" / "Xian01" Antkow
[1]: http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html
[2]: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2m6zmi/mark_karpeles_attorneys_are_legally_laundering/cm1tjmk
What "reason" did theymos give you?
It's quite funny how the OP of this thread, PuertoLibre (iirc) was one of those that Josh Zerlan dox'd..
It seems that this community views anonymity as a sacred right, and discovering the real identity of ("doxxing") of someone as a mortal sin. Sorry, I don't buy that.
While it may be OK for people to use pseudonyms, it is also OK for people to blow them. In any significant personal interaction each party has the right to know the identity of the other. In commercial business, in particular, it is foolish to make a deal without knowing the other party's real name and photo, and the address where the police can be sent to; and without checking his professional history and legal record. That applies not only to the principals of companies, but also to key employees. The "right to dox" also applies to anyone who accuses or insults someone.
In particular, I think it is quite appropriate for BFL clients to try to uncover the identity of the "SLoK" who managed the BFL forum (under a deal that has not been clarified) and may hold assets that should be surrendered to the receiver.
While it may be OK for people to use pseudonyms, it is also OK for people to blow them. In any significant personal interaction each party has the right to know the identity of the other. In commercial business, in particular, it is foolish to make a deal without knowing the other party's real name and photo, and the address where the police can be sent to; and without checking his professional history and legal record. That applies not only to the principals of companies, but also to key employees. The "right to dox" also applies to anyone who accuses or insults someone.
In particular, I think it is quite appropriate for BFL clients to try to uncover the identity of the "SLoK" who managed the BFL forum (under a deal that has not been clarified) and may hold assets that should be surrendered to the receiver.
We basically all agree with that. We're talking about theymos banning anyone that posts his dox.
November 18, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
It seems that this community views anonymity as a sacred right, and discovering the real identity of ("doxxing") of someone as a mortal sin. Sorry, I don't buy that.
While it may be OK for people to use pseudonyms, it is also OK for people to blow them. In any significant personal interaction each party has the right to know the identity of the other. In commercial business, in particular, it is foolish to make a deal without knowing the other party's real name and photo, and the address where the police can be sent to; and without checking his professional history and legal record. That applies not only to the principals of companies, but also to key employees. The "right to dox" also applies to anyone who accuses or insults someone.
In particular, I think it is quite appropriate for BFL clients to try to uncover the identity of the "SLoK" who managed the BFL forum (under a deal that has not been clarified) and may hold assets that should be surrendered to the receiver.
While it may be OK for people to use pseudonyms, it is also OK for people to blow them. In any significant personal interaction each party has the right to know the identity of the other. In commercial business, in particular, it is foolish to make a deal without knowing the other party's real name and photo, and the address where the police can be sent to; and without checking his professional history and legal record. That applies not only to the principals of companies, but also to key employees. The "right to dox" also applies to anyone who accuses or insults someone.
In particular, I think it is quite appropriate for BFL clients to try to uncover the identity of the "SLoK" who managed the BFL forum (under a deal that has not been clarified) and may hold assets that should be surrendered to the receiver.
November 18, 2014, 09:11:19 AM
While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.Fact: Joshua "Inaba" / "Nitrowolf" Zerlan of Butterfly Labs made it part of his career to dox and intimidate vocal people in the community that spoke out against them.
Fact: Josh Zerlan of Butterfly Labs paid Michael "Theymos" Marquardt significant advertising funds over the course of perpetuating their fraud[1].
Fact: Michael Marquardt did nothing to remove the dox that Joshua Zerlan posted despite protestations of his victims.
Fact: Michael Marquardt bans people that post his dox, and removes the offending posts while allowing Butterfly Labs' intimidation dox to remain.
Ergo, Michael Marquardt is a profiteering hypocrite who materially benefitted from Butterfly Labs and others that defrauded this community, while taking their advertising monies, looking the other way, and allows them to continue their bad behavior while he bans others for the same bad behavior.
Finally, I need to again call attention to the fact Michael Marquardt is paying out, by his own admission, an absolutely asinine sum of $100,000[2] per month for development of new forums software.
-Christian "Xian" / "Xian01" Antkow
[1]: http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html
[2]: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2m6zmi/mark_karpeles_attorneys_are_legally_laundering/cm1tjmk
November 18, 2014, 07:57:11 AM
ANYTHING goes in that BFL fucks us over again so whats the point of this really! @ jorge - So yes, Another pointless thread!
That's the point, people interested in the BFL case were tired of reading posts with zero useful information. This thread is to discuss what belongs there (or in other threads that may be created for subtopics, I don't know). No one has to read this thread. I myself am glad that the issue is being discussed, but I won't be paying much attention to this thread.
November 18, 2014, 06:43:39 AM
This thread is to discuss what kind of stuff is admissible in the other thread, and other thread policy issues. That is why it is in the "Meta" section of the forum. Substantive posts and factual material about the BFL case should go the other thread.
November 18, 2014, 04:44:32 AM
While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.Yep. Seriously, RoadStress, go post theymos' dox (google and you'll find it) and see what happens.
What will happen? I thought the policy was not to remove dox? If the info is out there or on google what would it matter anyhow?
November 18, 2014, 04:25:01 AM
I am all for free speech.
That is the (origine and) nature of fora.
As long as everybody stays "civil" (and more or less on topic) anything goes (even ad hominem et al).
If you would like the "facts" please bookmark the court filings page and read them yourself.
If you like discussion put your big boy pants on and go through the whole nine yards...
That is the (origine and) nature of fora.
As long as everybody stays "civil" (and more or less on topic) anything goes (even ad hominem et al).
If you would like the "facts" please bookmark the court filings page and read them yourself.
If you like discussion put your big boy pants on and go through the whole nine yards...
November 18, 2014, 03:54:37 AM
While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.Yep. Seriously, RoadStress, go post theymos' dox (google and you'll find it) and see what happens.
November 17, 2014, 09:26:38 PM
Where do you recommend I could start a BFL thread for posting the latest updates on their case (no trolling)?
If it's not a scam accusation discussion, and just to discuss the FTC case against them, service discussion seems most appropriate with the added bonus that it would allow you to create a self moderated thread.Damn, bud, you now have your hands full.
Shouldn't the discussion about moderation be in some "meta" trhead? 
Indeed it should, but we didn't want to lose the flow of the discussion. Will Clean up, hang in there.Thanks, ckolivas.
November 17, 2014, 09:09:56 PM
Shouldn't the discussion about moderation be in some "meta" trhead?
Indeed it should, but we didn't want to lose the flow of the discussion. Will Clean up, hang in there. November 17, 2014, 09:05:18 PM
Shouldn't the discussion about moderation be in some "meta" trhead?
November 17, 2014, 08:57:23 PM
Where do you recommend I could start a BFL thread for posting the latest updates on their case (no trolling)?
If it's not a scam accusation discussion, and just to discuss the FTC case against them, service discussion seems most appropriate with the added bonus that it would allow you to create a self moderated thread. November 17, 2014, 08:55:50 PM
The Moderator team isn't applying its rules evenly across all segments. While I understand their is some kind of allowance for discretion...it isn't discretion when the rules are applied harshly against one company and not applied towards another.
C'mon I thought we have established that this is a "free-for-all" forum. While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Everyone knows you don't do crazy stuff on BTC Talk. Even moderators have a conscience for the donkeys identity.
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I was a moderator for 6 years so trust me I can switch caps. I know and have a pretty good idea of how forums are run.
November 17, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
Where do you recommend I could start a BFL thread for posting the latest updates on their case (no trolling)?
If it's not a scam accusation discussion, and just to discuss the FTC case against them, service discussion seems most appropriate with the added bonus that it would allow you to create a self moderated thread. November 17, 2014, 08:46:12 PM
If you said, "we don't allow trolling threads", in the hardware section. I'd understand.
And I will then ask you what constitutes a trolling thread and actively point it out instances of trolling threads [ or threads with trolling ] across all hardware manufacturers. Hopefully in your collective impartiality drawing you all to clean house until this board is especially clean.
It does state no trolling threads effectively in the conduct sticky:And I will then ask you what constitutes a trolling thread and actively point it out instances of trolling threads [ or threads with trolling ] across all hardware manufacturers. Hopefully in your collective impartiality drawing you all to clean house until this board is especially clean.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-point-of-order-conduct-in-this-subforum-139380
Please feel free to point out trolling threads, as you are no doubt aware the definition is grey so up to our discretion, but there has been and will be continual massive clean out. This thread started out as a complaint thread so it was a service discussion, then it was a scam accusation thread, then it was mud slinging and dick size comparison, celebration, remorse, doxing, you name it. Ideally it should be moved but for historical reasons it's remained in hardware, but honestly wtf is it now? The only real issue I see here is that service discussion, complaints and scam accusations are categorised under economy while it's about mining hardware manufacturers so people expect it to be under mining.
I've never been fond of the categories but they mostly predate me and it's kinda hard to convince the admins of the need for some change that involves recategorising existing topics. If you wish to discuss this aspect further, along with some potentially healthy debate about just what the categories should be, I suggest we take this discussion to meta/
One with a DNA of malcontent.
Where do you recommend I could start a BFL thread for posting the latest updates on their case (no trolling)?
November 17, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.Living just south of him, I once drove to his home, rang his doorbell, then ran away. He never knew it was me till now.
November 17, 2014, 08:35:40 PM
If you said, "we don't allow trolling threads", in the hardware section. I'd understand.
And I will then ask you what constitutes a trolling thread and actively point it out instances of trolling threads [ or threads with trolling ] across all hardware manufacturers. Hopefully in your collective impartiality drawing you all to clean house until this board is especially clean.
It does state no trolling threads effectively in the conduct sticky:And I will then ask you what constitutes a trolling thread and actively point it out instances of trolling threads [ or threads with trolling ] across all hardware manufacturers. Hopefully in your collective impartiality drawing you all to clean house until this board is especially clean.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-point-of-order-conduct-in-this-subforum-139380
Please feel free to point out trolling threads, as you are no doubt aware the definition is grey so up to our discretion, but there has been and will be continual massive clean out. This thread started out as a complaint thread so it was a service discussion, then it was a scam accusation thread, then it was mud slinging and dick size comparison, celebration, remorse, doxing, you name it. Ideally it should be moved but for historical reasons it's remained in hardware, but honestly wtf is it now? The only real issue I see here is that service discussion, complaints and scam accusations are categorised under economy while it's about mining hardware manufacturers so people expect it to be under mining. (EDIT: Only other thread like this is AMT fucks us over again for the same reason)
I've never been fond of the categories but they mostly predate me and it's kinda hard to convince the admins of the need for some change that involves recategorising existing topics. If you wish to discuss this aspect further, along with some potentially healthy debate about just what the categories should be, I suggest we take this discussion to meta/
November 17, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes. November 17, 2014, 08:29:35 PM
The Moderator team isn't applying its rules evenly across all segments. While I understand their is some kind of allowance for discretion...it isn't discretion when the rules are applied harshly against one company and not applied towards another.
C'mon I thought we have established that this is a "free-for-all" forum. While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.
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