Topic: How to end dependence on russian gas? Heat pumps, electric heaters, alt fuels? (Read 206 times)

They really didn't expect it would bite back to them. If they planned to, they would have seen it coming which they have an alternative for heat during winter.

What they have plan was for Russia to stop drilling oil which is why they hype Greta Thunberg a lot for Climate Change. EU and US had actually been committed to this climate change but where do they get electricity?  Obviously electricity still comes from Uranium, Coal and fossil fuel which anyone could actually figure, they are fooling themselves thinking Putin will actually stop digging oil because they say so.

It backfires and as matter of fact, Putin is now accused that he is conspiring with the Climate change movement where he funded so that US and EU will start using green energy all for Climate change.

All of Europe has long wanted to abandon Russian gas, so as not to be dependent on it. I think it will happen, but it takes time, at least to wait two winters. The nationalization of Gazprom's subsidiary, Gazprom Germania GmbH, will greatly help. The tanks of this company can be filled with gas supplied in the off-season from other countries in order to calmly survive the winter.

I don't think there's a need to invent new energy resources. Why not optimize what has been here for decades already like the nuclear energy. Also, tap all the possible renewable energy sources. It may take time to build but they need to start somewhere if they do want to stop getting gas from Russia. They have so many scientists, they can come up with something if they will dedicate their time and resources to find one. No need to re-invent the wheel. All the possible energy sources has been studied already.

It's all just talk. If it were possible to do this, the countries would not be dependent on Russia. There are many sources of energy. But natural gas is the most convenient and cheapest. Mankind will have to live for many years to invent a new convenient way. Now this is impossible. Everything ingenious is simple. I am convinced that humanity will find new energy sources, but not now. I don’t understand why sanctions are needed if many countries suffer from them. It's like we're trying to reinvent the wheel.

It's really the issue of energy that must be solved. All those pumps and heaters would still require electricity. And it don't seem they have anything good in the line. I watched that Netherlands has delayed shutting down its gas pumps because of the war but even with that and the other sources, western Europe isn't exactly blessed with gas and oil.

They can go back to coal but I don't know if that's enough (plus it'll be hypocritical after they told the rest of the world to stop using it). Maybe more nuclear?

But they can't implement everything all of sudden and light up the whole nation right? Its a long term process as far as I know and even countries recognized that and mentioned they will become completely eco-friendly and uses green energy as an alternative to non renewable energy comes from oil.

That's why I think when Russia received sanctions from European countries they weren't too worried,
On the other hand, European countries are also in a dilemma with such conditions, where they inevitably have to deal with Russia when talking about gas.
We'll see what developments happen next

The case of dependence on the Russian gas is the most important case when we are talking about the Ukraine-Russia war and the sanctions against Russia, because even if they make Russia under the strongest economic sanctions in the world, where they can't trade with another country and nation in the world, since Europe is demanding the Russian gas and Russia the biggest supplier of the gas for Europe and europian countries the sanctions are nearly useless because still, they do have to trade and deal with Russia, but for achieving that purpose, they need to find another supplier in the first place.

Europe is still relying heavily on gas at the moment, changing the dependence on Russia could happen in two forms. First, switching from Russian gas to other suppliers than can supply these large amounts needed. Second, would be to get rid of gas all together and go for other energy sources. Both of these options have issues and can't be accomplished short term on my opinion.
The problem with going for other suppliers and stop trading with Russia is that the contracts are long term. Countries can't just cancel them overnight. There might be repercussions in front of the WTO. Also the gas in Europe is distributed via pipelines, the whole system can't just be changed to rely on ships to bring gas now. Same goes for switching to alternative energy solutions. Heat pumps and renewable energy sources sound good on paper, but who pays for that? Most homes can't afford to buy new systems and heaters just because the politicians want it. Luckily it's spring now in Europe so most heating will only be needed again in the winter.

I cannot speak for the whole of Europe, I can only speak for Germany, which is the largest importer of Russian gas and the largest economy in Europe. They cannot take and refuse Russian gas, they simply cannot. Germany's entire energy infrastructure relies on pipeline gas from Russia like a house rests on a foundation. It is impossible with all the desire to completely change the foundation so that the house does not collapse and you can continue to live in it. It is necessary either to completely demolish the house and rebuild it, or to build a new house from scratch nearby in a free place. It is not a question of the degree of corruption of German politicians and officials, the system of pipelines and underground gas storages as a circulatory system for the German economy, and cheap gas from Russia is a guarantee of its economic strength. Take one away and there won't be another.

This is unfortunately true, because if the EU really wanted to become independent of gas and oil from Russia, then it could start working on it after the first invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine, and the fact is that they did nothing. Now, these same politicians are sending minimal quantities of weapons to Ukraine, imposing mostly innocuous sanctions, and at the same time, since the beginning of the war, they have paid Russia as much as EUR 18 billion just for gas.

Therefore, we can conclude that EU politicians (most) are just ordinary hypocrites who do not care who they do business with, it is important that they pay a lower price, which means that more money remains in their pockets.

France still retains the largest military presence in Africa of any former colonial power. We are still at colonial age? The bitter truth is countries like France, UK, Germany, Spain, USA developed themself on the blood of Asian, Africans and middle eastern country. Despite being one of the richest in the world in natural wealth Africans country still remains poor when so called humanist country developed themself by stealing wealth from those countries.

UN General Assembly votes to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council but when so called humanist country do that same judgement with France, UK and USA.

Surprisingly, Germany has recently confirmed that it is maintaining its policy of completely getting rid of atomic energy and is going to shut down its last three reactors at the end of the year. France turned out to be smarter in this regard, but it has two very serious problems:
1. Some reactors are already very old, about 40 years old, their service life has been repeatedly extended, and recently there have been reports of safety-threatening traces of corrosion on three reactors, which, apparently, will now have to be urgently shut down.
2. France has lost a significant part of its influence in its former colonies in Africa, such as Mali, is experiencing difficulties with the supply of uranium as a raw material for nuclear power plants. Fans of conspiracy theories can try to look for Putin's long arm here, especially since it seems to be really there.

In general, the current deep problems of Europe cannot be considered without breaking away from Africa, which Europe shamelessly plundered for a long time. In Africa, they say that when Russians come, they build hospitals, and when Europeans come, they bring a lecture on how to live right. Few people understood the wisdom of the USSR, which for half a century made great efforts in Africa, allocated large amounts of money even by modern standards, and then generously wrote off debts, and taught Africans in Moscow at Patrice Lulumba University, forming a local loyal elite. Now these long-term investments are starting to pay off.

1. Total control of European politicians regarding ties (of course financial) with the Kremlin gang. You can talk a lot about bias and "phobias", the fact remains - it was bribery and influence on the tops of European governments that allowed Gazprom to monopolize its position in the EU and then set conditions and engage in fuel terrorism. Like it or not, gas and oil are used by Russia as a "legal" means of terror and pressure
2. Of course, the restoration of nuclear energy.
3. The maximum possible transition to renewable energy sources "green technologies".

Along with the many breakthroughs and innovations I believe there will be a solution for this. Although the most difficult thing is to get started and get used to adapting to a resource that will surely experience a slight difference from the ones we are already using. It will not be the same 100% oil, gas, electricity, etc.

To be honest, not all people can be invited to have the awareness to start these activities, one of the things that have the most impact is transportation fuel. Dependence on electricity to perform daily activities.

Some of the solutions offered by the IEA above I strongly agree. The point is that apart from making people more efficient, they also appreciate how important these alternatives are in the current conditions.

A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch. Too bad it only works in green fantasies. Windmills, solar panels, tides - these sources of energy are too volatile, a good dessert, but not a main course. We need something more stable generating energy so that we can seriously rely on it. Of the environmentally friendly and carbon-neutral, this is the energy of a flowing river or the energy of the internal heat of the earth, and with some reservations, nuclear energy.

If our Government take the data into consideration then it would become way cheaper to set up tidal energy projects, windmills, and averagely efficient solar panel based on the geography.

They should subsidies and let every house give the solar panel and one windmill (for space free towns), and create their own energy hubs. That means one two one electricity generating sub station. This way Government can huge money back as they will be having only set up cost and maintenance as the lifetime challenge.

I mean like

((Green Energy Power Station - TOWN-1)). -----Powering---- ((TOWN-1))
((Green Energy Power Station - TOWN-2)). -----Powering---- ((TOWN-2))
....
........((TOWN-x)

We can have self sustaining and fossil free  ecosystem with this. I think, initially it will cost major amount of investment however, with the time that will surely pay off.

To overcome the challenges of natural calamities, power down due to low wind speed, low sunlight, one main station can power up the towns for temporary timings.

With a great plan this could be future.

Establishing this plan takes time so it's not a current solution. Also, gas is not only required to heat houses but run factories too. How renewable energy will full fill these huge demands? Also, it would cost huge money for building this infrastructure and maintain them. Buying Russian oil and gas is much easier and cheaper than that.

As long as Russia gets to ensure NATO will not come along its border there is nothing to worry about for EU countries. Russia is happy to sell its gas and oil to the EU because it's profitable for them and the EU too. So do not think major natural resource consumption countries in Europe will grant this plan.

Caught them unprepared for the type of attack from Russia which they are really dependent on. Now they are scrambling to manufacture heat pumps as much as they could to provide for the demand. So much options to do which could take time before they could live comfortably without cutting the sanctions to Russia.

They might have to look at though if finally established alt fuel sources and heat pumps, will Russia's rise thru their gas ever slow down?
For all the news we've seen, Hungary now considers buying gas with roubles too. It won't be long the neighbors will find it beneficial as well.

Estonian know-how about the hose-assed cow as a source of natural gas cannot be discounted.