How to get away with posting off-topic replies.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 05, 2023, 07:41:59 PM

I don't understand why it was so hard for you to accept that it was not off topic but very relevant to the topic created by the OP.

If they were very relevant to the topic, my reports would have been marked as "bad", and they have remained "unhandled", so I was somewhat right.

So hard? Boo hoo, yes I haven't slept for the last couple of days because of how hard it has been.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 05, 2023, 07:41:59 PM

But all made you so butthurt that you had to come this far. Huh!

Yes, so butthurt that I've gone as far as Mars.

But the fact is that this is not the first time this has happened. This thread is not about the individual reports in the airfinex thread. The same thing has happened to me before, and that's why I already said what was going to happen.

Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 12:42:04 AM

I've just reported your posts for being off topic, although from previous experiences it seems to me that they will remain unhandled.

Quote from: NotATether on April 05, 2023, 08:44:25 PM

I was going to post the popcorn eating GIF on this thread but considering that would also be classified as spam by the OP, I'll just watch this unfold from the stands. Wink

Don't worry. I think the same rules apply to Meta. You are a established member, so you can post off-topic replies and enjoy!

Quote from: RapTarX on April 04, 2023, 02:16:33 PM

True sometimes and it's not only about the Reputation board. I have faced the same issue in the Gambling discussion board as well. A well-reputed established forum member has derailed my thread with off-topic nonsense. I have reported the post twice IIRC but guess what; moderators didn't give it an F. I can assure you that the response would be deleted if it has been posted by a newbie or not an established spammer.

Yes, but as far as I can see, the off-topic is about a reputation issue, so I see a common pattern here. I think moderators are more reluctant to act on these issues, and more so if we are talking about higher-ranked members.

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I was going to post the popcorn eating GIF on this thread but considering that would also be classified as spam by the OP, I'll just watch this unfold from the stands. Wink

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 10:09:00 PM

1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Post them on Reputation section threads.

Just because you think something is something that does not mean it has to be something. I don't understand why it was so hard for you to accept that it was not off topic but very relevant to the topic created by the OP. The reply of TryNinja and my reply for him was a side discussion and not entirely disconnected from the main discussion which is absolutely fine when you are in a discussion. But all made you so butthurt that you had to come this far. Huh!

Quote from: Poker Player on April 04, 2023, 09:48:16 PM

I wrote this in a joking tone.

And nobody was able to get that tone. May be all fuckers who are in the discussion including me have no sense of understanding.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 10:09:00 PM

So, I've found a system that works 100% of the time if you want to post off-topic replies and not having them deleted (I exclude here the WO thread, where they are allowed).

The system is as follows:

1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Post them on Reputation section threads.
3. Enjoy.

100% all the time you say! How true might that be? I think not and probably not something I want to experiment.
The reputation board is one controversial place and have active users dedicated to cleaning the forum. There isn't any way in which, a thought or cleat off-topic reply would be identified, reported and not acted upon by moderators. There is still no room for off-topic replies except when not found.

Being an established user might only cover you so much but, the water ball always breaks and you could get off topic replies or even have a thread deleted and there you have them missing posts.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 10:09:00 PM

So, I've found a system that works 100% of the time if you want to post off-topic replies and not having them deleted (I exclude here the WO thread, where they are allowed).

The system is as follows:

1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Post them on Reputation section threads.
3. Enjoy.

This is ~~not~~ true.
The moderators on their own do not tour the forum searching for off topic replies. Yes, they don't unless by coincidence they stumble on one.
It therefore means that people report such of topic posts and the reporters respect the somewhat established members and refuse to report their posts.
The reporters are delighted in reporting newbies and lower-ranked members posts who are also delighted in making low value posts.
But in all the forum is becoming more lenient to her members in terms of moderation.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 04, 2023, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: BenCodie on April 04, 2023, 12:33:11 AM

If you actually care about this

Not really. I wrote this in a joking tone. Doesn't point 1 ring a bell?

As I understand the unofficial rules do not apply in 100% of the cases, I also understand that it is more logical to act if the member does not have a high rank than if he does. We have all had replies deleted, but as you advance in rank it is more improbable. In addition, as in the Reputation section there are a lot of heated discussions maybe the moderators are more careful before acting.

Quote from: dragonvslinux on April 04, 2023, 04:48:08 PM

You just sound butt hurt...

Not really, see above.

Quote from: dragonvslinux on April 04, 2023, 04:48:08 PM

Your criteria for "getting away" with off-topic posts is nonsense, because actually the posts you reported were neither specifically on-topic nor off-topic, but instead related to the topic. The thread in reference was about Royse777 (yet again), and BitcoinGirl.Club merely referenced all related reputation-based threads in relation to Royse777. There's an argument that it adds context to the thread itself, despite the associated commentary.

In the first comment, there is still some relation to the thread, but to discuss how to search on ninjastic.space you see it very on topic?

The fact is that this is not the first time nor the second time I see it happen in this section. Reports for off topic that remain unhandled. That's why when I reported them I already guessed what was going to happen.

Not a big deal.

On that particular topic, no. In general yes.
That is why you can start self moderated posts.

At times I will start something to discuss 'A'. If it moves and grows to 'A¹' and 'A²' and 'A³' that is fine.
But if you want to make sure that it never gets to 'B' or 'B¹' you really need to self mod.

It's also too much of an opinion question. There is a topic going on about the situation with the General Bytes ATM hack
[ https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ongoing-hackers-manage-to-steal-crypto-from-customers-of-general-bytes-atms-5410704 if you care]

I was going to do a much longer comment then the last one I made on the 27th about security in general and a better way of securing the machines and servers and OS and so on. However, I did not do it since it was more related in only general terms to the hack. COULD someone have reported it as OT and been correct? YES. Would someone have done it? Possibly. Would the mods have removed it? Who knows, because even though I am saying it did drive OT, you could also see a justification in that it was discussing the hack and ways to prevent another one in general.

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Quote from: BenCodie on April 04, 2023, 12:33:11 AM

If you actually care about this

Not really. I wrote this in a joking tone. Doesn't point 1 ring a bell?

As I understand the unofficial rules do not apply in 100% of the cases, I also understand that it is more logical to act if the member does not have a high rank than if he does. We have all had replies deleted, but as you advance in rank it is more improbable. In addition, as in the Reputation section there are a lot of heated discussions maybe the moderators are more careful before acting.

Quote from: dragonvslinux on April 04, 2023, 04:48:08 PM

You just sound butt hurt...

Not really, see above.

Quote from: dragonvslinux on April 04, 2023, 04:48:08 PM

Your criteria for "getting away" with off-topic posts is nonsense, because actually the posts you reported were neither specifically on-topic nor off-topic, but instead related to the topic. The thread in reference was about Royse777 (yet again), and BitcoinGirl.Club merely referenced all related reputation-based threads in relation to Royse777. There's an argument that it adds context to the thread itself, despite the associated commentary.

In the first comment, there is still some relation to the thread, but to discuss how to search on ninjastic.space you see it very on topic?

The fact is that this is not the first time nor the second time I see it happen in this section. Reports for off topic that remain unhandled. That's why when I reported them I already guessed what was going to happen.

Not a big deal.

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I saw the thread and posts you were talking about. The posts you reported could also be considered on-topic. When we discuss something about A, It brings B to us. Sometimes it's connected with C as well. As long as you are talking about everything related to A, B and C and not about XYZ, which is far from A, B and C. It could be considered as on-Topic.

Let's say a user asks a question about what Bitcoin is. It won't be off-topic to tell him that those things were discussed before, and you can search here and there about how it works and what Bitcoin is without answering his main question. Even if you explain What Blockchain is and how it works, the Difference Between native chains and side chains, it's still somewhat on-topic since Bitcoin uses Blockchain Technology. You may have arguments that those things are not related here. Well, you have done your job by reporting the Posts. Now it's up to forum Moderators to judge whether those are off-topic. Let's not criticize them for not agreeing with you.

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You just sound butt hurt that your reporting of off-topic posts in Reptuation board was accurate, nothing else. No doubt based on this recent reporting.

Your criteria for "getting away" with off-topic posts is nonsense, because actually the posts you reported were neither specifically on-topic nor off-topic, but instead related to the topic. The thread in reference was about Royse777 (yet again), and BitcoinGirl.Club merely referenced all related reputation-based threads in relation to Royse777. There's an argument that it adds context to the thread itself, despite the associated commentary.

In certain cases this can actually be very useful to highlight other "related" threads when a topic is based on a user. So no doubt moderators ignored/rejected your report. Boo hoo.

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True sometimes and it's not only about the Reputation board. I have faced the same issue in the Gambling discussion board as well. A well-reputed established forum member has derailed my thread with off-topic nonsense. I have reported the post twice IIRC but guess what; moderators didn't give it an F. I can assure you that the response would be deleted if it has been posted by a newbie or not an established spammer.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 04, 2023, 10:08:12 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on April 04, 2023, 12:33:11 AM

If you actually care about this then why not post examples of what you are talking about and propose a way to solve the problem? To me, all you have done here is make a baseless post with no supporting evidence, which serves almost as a pointless topic in itself. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but what I am saying is that you've given the reader no supporting references to see exactly what you are talking about.

If you want to solve a problem or make a change, put in some effort to help it to be addressed...instead of putting the bare minimum effort into a thread like this.

You can go to the reputation section, which is what the OP actually writes about. I think this section has become a sore point for the OP, as there are controversial topics that pop up from time to time and bring bad memories to the OP.
I constantly ask myself, Why waste your nerves on strangers? If there are any controversial points, why not just pass them by so as not to deliver feelings of anger, aggression, and all that in yourself? An adult should control himself, especially since this is the Internet.
As for the topic, sometimes during the discussion, it is simply impossible not to break away from the discussion itself, and people have thoughts that the conversation is going in a different direction. What happened the day before served as a signal for the creation of this topic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62030782

That was a very polite way of calling me/my post childish. Kudos I guess

I suppose that I came across as if I have some sort of emotion as to how the OP conveyed his post. To be clear, I do not. I also understand that one could easily visit the reputation board and see what he is talking about. However, I think that if the OP wants to make change, assist the moderators and potential supporters to easily see the problem with clear examples, out the perpetrators and provide good basis. Sure, if change is not the goal and it's just a form of humor or a light complaint, then I misinterpreted the post and I apologize.

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Quote from: Razmirraz on April 04, 2023, 11:53:54 AM

somewhat established member is like a rich person in the midst of poor people, every word that comes out of his mouth is always considered true. Although my assumption is not entirely correct, relatively low ranking members rarely use the RTM button for posts that are considered less qualified from established members.

OK, that's a common case that probably has a point. But I think this thread is about something else, pay attention to the last point of @lovemayfamilis post, hope you understand it.

Anyone can report any post for any reason, but the decision as to how to handle it rests with the moderator. I think the moderators have their own discretion about the rating of the report, if it's really off topic then the post will be handled properly. While they may ignore the report and leave it unhandle it's not because they don't agree with your report, there may be other things being considered.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 10:09:00 PM

So, I've found a system that works 100% of the time if you want to post off-topic replies and not having them deleted (I exclude here the WO thread, where they are allowed).

The system is as follows:

1. Be a somewhat established member.

somewhat established member is like a rich person in the midst of poor people, every word that comes out of his mouth is always considered true. Although my assumption is not entirely correct, relatively low ranking members rarely use the RTM button for posts that are considered less qualified from established members.
Sometimes their posts seem off topic, but if they are digested deeper, the contents have meaning hidden in them. Established members serve as role models for juniors, there's no way they'd make posts off topic on purpose. Even if there were, the number could be counted on the fingers.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 04, 2023, 10:08:12 AM

I constantly ask myself, Why waste your nerves on strangers? If there are any controversial points, why not just pass them by so as not to deliver feelings of anger, aggression, and all that in yourself? An adult should control himself, especially since this is the Internet.

Sometimes some people are content to get emotionally involved in controversial topics, some hope to solve the problem by make mediating, some also want to propagandize the problem to make the problem bigger.

I don't really expect to be on many controversial topics myself and just tend to want some peace of mind rather than arguing about things that shouldn't be. It's an individual choice, but there will always be controversy. This is the uniqueness of the bitcointalk forum, may could even say this is an internet forum that is almost the same as real life. I can only thank satoshi for providing such a unique place like bitcointalk.

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Quote from: BenCodie on April 04, 2023, 12:33:11 AM

If you actually care about this then why not post examples of what you are talking about and propose a way to solve the problem? To me, all you have done here is make a baseless post with no supporting evidence, which serves almost as a pointless topic in itself. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but what I am saying is that you've given the reader no supporting references to see exactly what you are talking about.

If you want to solve a problem or make a change, put in some effort to help it to be addressed...instead of putting the bare minimum effort into a thread like this.

You can go to the reputation section, which is what the OP actually writes about. I think this section has become a sore point for the OP, as there are controversial topics that pop up from time to time and bring bad memories to the OP.
I constantly ask myself, Why waste your nerves on strangers? If there are any controversial points, why not just pass them by so as not to deliver feelings of anger, aggression, and all that in yourself? An adult should control himself, especially since this is the Internet.
As for the topic, sometimes during the discussion, it is simply impossible not to break away from the discussion itself, and people have thoughts that the conversation is going in a different direction. What happened the day before served as a signal for the creation of this topic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62030782

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Quote from: Die_empty on April 03, 2023, 11:46:19 PM

The fact might be members tend not to report posts from established members to the moderators. While most of them because of the experience and reputation of the member will always want to make meaning out of a somehow meaningless post. The bottom line is if the post of these established members are reported and the moderator believes it is off-topic it will be handled accordingly. It is also important to also know that established members rarely post off-topic, I know that there are also some exceptions.

I agree that your reputation and position in the forum can get you ignored by spam busters, especially when it comes to the quality of the posts. A lot of spam hunters tend to get regular users who are not reputable and have no position in the forum because they are usually the ones posting spam and tend not to care about the quality of the posts.

In one case, I agree that it makes sense because users with good reputation and status in forum tend to have good quality posts although sometimes some posts may also go off topic, but reputation and status are the reason why someone doesn't report those posts to moderators. But I think there must be different viewpoints on this as off-topic posts are easy to identify and there should be no exceptions.

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Based on my experience, the more you explore, the more you learn here and that knowledge you accumulate will lead you to less mistakes and less off topic replies. As of now I am still trying to learn new things from other fellow members, and who knows when it will be helpful in the future. One more thing for me is that, sometimes off topics can serve as an ice breaker for a member to take a breather after engaging the seriousness here in the forum. That is the reason why there is an off-topic section in which members can sit back and relax and talk about something unrelated to economy, bitcoin or opportunities, but of course off topics should remain on the off-topic board. In regards of those off topic replies, usually they get deleted but often times they are marked as spam from the mods.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 10:09:00 PM

1. Be a somewhat established member.

Well, there's a thing called "lost glory". If someone was thought to be established either from how they carried themselves here in their supposed exceptional posting habits or the way they resolved issues, and then they started abusing that by making off topic and spam posts. Sooner than later logic will catch up with them and their sham will become obvious. Their value will be lost forever. I've followed certain cases of established members who later turned rogues and got punished for that here.

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If you actually care about this then why not post examples of what you are talking about and propose a way to solve the problem? To me, all you have done here is make a baseless post with no supporting evidence, which serves almost as a pointless topic in itself. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but what I am saying is that you've given the reader no supporting references to see exactly what you are talking about.

If you want to solve a problem or make a change, put in some effort to help it to be addressed...instead of putting the bare minimum effort into a thread like this.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 03, 2023, 10:09:00 PM

So, I've found a system that works 100% of the time if you want to post off-topic replies and not having them deleted (I exclude here the WO thread, where they are allowed).

The system is as follows:

1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Post them on Reputation section threads.
3. Enjoy.

The fact might be members tend not to report posts from established members to the moderators. While most of them because of the experience and reputation of the member will always want to make meaning out of a somehow meaningless post. The bottom line is if the post of these established members are reported and the moderator believes it is off-topic it will be handled accordingly. It is also important to also know that established members rarely post off-topic, I know that there are also some exceptions.

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