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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on July 25, 2015, 10:49:59 AM

There are valid situations for escrow leaving a positive feedback. Eg:- if the trade had a big amount or if the trade took a long time and if there was good involvement from buyer/seller, then leaving a feedback is good. But leaving feedback for each and every trades escrowed or each and every trades done is not at all a good idea especially if the user is in default trust list. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=223869, for example. TBZ should not leave feedback like that IMHO.

Even though the amount may be big, the person canno be termed trusted with just one transation IMO. If the person keeps trading with another for a long time, it's fine but if escrow is used, then only escrow deserves a feedback and not the two users.

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Quote from: iqbal15st on July 24, 2015, 01:39:08 AM

Hallo!
How to get +Trust?
I just know trust in get because someone has the potential, or trustworthy. if I could be a trustworthy person so I can get +Trust

If anyone needs help me, please .. I would be happy to help her .. Wink

If you fear that my scam, I can show my full personal data Wink

There is no market to gain trust , trust is something that is built over time from successful trades and other stuffs.
Other stuffs Include:
1. helping the forum members,specially Newbies and helping forum to prevent spam.
2. Being in some Escrow services.

Moreover the Trust does reflect much what kind of people you are , if you have good deep trust then other trader can go first analysing the the risk.
Better for you is to forget all these things , spend more time here , do indulge yourself in constructive work and trades and you will get a lot of feedbacks.

Trust list(Default):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on July 25, 2015, 10:39:01 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 25, 2015, 10:31:26 AM

and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after).

This pisses me off to no end. There is no reason to give positive feedback to people you escrowed a deal for. Nothing is displayed that warrants that, the escrow does not actually risk anything - if someone doesn't send, they just return the goods/BTC of the person who did send. There is pretty much no reason for the escrow to be giving positive rep. Unfortunately, this happens a lot and you see lots of inflated trust scores with people who have 0-BTC risked trust all over the place.

I personally will very rarely leave positive trust when I escrow and when I do, it will be after a number of smooth deals that are large in size and I am confident that the person I am leaving trust for is not trying to farm trust; but even then I will generally not proactively leave trust (they will need to ask).

I have discussed this issue with a number of other escrows and I will generally give the same opinion as yours. The viewpoint that is usually given to me is that there should be a record of a successful trade, although I have noticed that some of these escrows have started leaving neutral instead of positive ratings.

The new trust algo has made it more difficult to farm trust this way because only the first trust rating you get from someone will count towards your trust score. Previously getting 4 trust ratings from an escrow in the default trust network would mean the calculation would factor in all 4 ratings.

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on July 25, 2015, 10:49:59 AM

There are valid situations for escrow leaving a positive feedback. Eg:- if the trade had a big amount or if the trade took a long time and if there was good involvement from buyer/seller, then leaving a feedback is good. But leaving feedback for each and every trades escrowed or each and every trades done is not at all a good idea especially if the user is in default trust list. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=223869, for example. TBZ should not leave feedback like that IMHO.

If TBZ did work upfront then received payment after the fact then he risked not receiving payment and this is the definition of when trust should be left (even though they are for small amounts). Generally speaking, if you risk money with someone in a trade then you should certainly leave a trust rating.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on July 25, 2015, 10:39:01 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 25, 2015, 10:31:26 AM

and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after).

This pisses me off to no end. There is no reason to give positive feedback to people you escrowed a deal for. Nothing is displayed that warrants that, the escrow does not actually risk anything - if someone doesn't send, they just return the goods/BTC of the person who did send. There is pretty much no reason for the escrow to be giving positive rep. Unfortunately, this happens a lot and you see lots of inflated trust scores with people who have 0-BTC risked trust all over the place.

There are valid situations for escrow leaving a positive feedback. Eg:- if the trade had a big amount or if the trade took a long time and if there was good involvement from buyer/seller, then leaving a feedback is good. But leaving feedback for each and every trades escrowed or each and every trades done is not at all a good idea especially if the user is in default trust list. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=223869, for example. TBZ should not leave feedback like that IMHO.

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Quote from: Quickseller on July 25, 2015, 10:31:26 AM

and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after).

This pisses me off to no end. There is no reason to give positive feedback to people you escrowed a deal for. Nothing is displayed that warrants that, the escrow does not actually risk anything - if someone doesn't send, they just return the goods/BTC of the person who did send. There is pretty much no reason for the escrow to be giving positive rep. Unfortunately, this happens a lot and you see lots of inflated trust scores with people who have 0-BTC risked trust all over the place.

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There are a number of people who actually trade with their alts and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after). Puzzel.me comes to mind as an example of who engages in this activity.

I have also seen a number of people give trust feedback to their own alts (and sometimes trade trust when no trades actually occur). Both candystripes and moreia come to mind as examples of people who engaged in this activity.

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Quote from: monbux on July 25, 2015, 09:58:21 AM

Quote from: Blazed on July 24, 2015, 07:14:35 PM

Most people do not need to be trusted and it is hard to gain. Having trust does give you some advantages though. I have a pretty good rating and do benefit from that pretty often (people who prove themselves do deserve some rewards for it). I think the system here while not perfect does work pretty well overall. Just like everyone else said - be honest, make trades, and contribute and you will slowly gain it.

it's honestly not that hard to gain, as long as you go into trading with the mindset to complete successful trades while making money, NOT to just gain trust. If your goal is to gain trust, you'll actually find it harder to accomplish.

Exactly. You trade when you need to, the point of trading is to trade, not to gain some internet points so you can seem like a trustworthy person. If you get positive trust, that's nice, and if it's from someone on DefaultTrust, that's nice too. But that's all it is. It isn't important. Even a lot of untrusted rep usually makes you somewhat "trusted".

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Quote from: Blazed on July 24, 2015, 07:14:35 PM

Most people do not need to be trusted and it is hard to gain. Having trust does give you some advantages though. I have a pretty good rating and do benefit from that pretty often (people who prove themselves do deserve some rewards for it). I think the system here while not perfect does work pretty well overall. Just like everyone else said - be honest, make trades, and contribute and you will slowly gain it.

it's honestly not that hard to gain, as long as you go into trading with the mindset to complete successful trades while making money, NOT to just gain trust. If your goal is to gain trust, you'll actually find it harder to accomplish.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 25, 2015, 05:30:33 AM

I dont think that positive trust is a must to a member

This is true.

Quote from: panjul07 on July 25, 2015, 05:30:33 AM

but if you want to get it means that you must working hard on it. Being trustworthy person is not an easy thing.

This isn't true. You just need to trade normally. And since when was being trustworthy hard - all you have to do is not scam people?

Quote from: panjul07 on July 25, 2015, 05:30:33 AM

But from what I learn, most positive trust is coming when you a member made some succeed trades with other members. Perhaps you can try it (selling/buying/lending) something, but dont forget to use an escrow.

True again.

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I dont think that positive trust is a must to a member, but if you want to get it means that you must working hard on it. Being trustworthy person is not an easy thing. But from what I learn, most positive trust is coming when you a member made some succeed trades with other members. Perhaps you can try it (selling/buying/lending) something, but dont forget to use an escrow.

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Most people do not need to be trusted and it is hard to gain. Having trust does give you some advantages though. I have a pretty good rating and do benefit from that pretty often (people who prove themselves do deserve some rewards for it). I think the system here while not perfect does work pretty well overall. Just like everyone else said - be honest, make trades, and contribute and you will slowly gain it.

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Unless OP wish to sell something, you don't need positive trust. You join discussions and read posts here, trust will not make a difference. You don't need trust to buy things either, you should always use an escrow. "Trusted" members shouldn't be blindly "trusted" because of account trading.

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Quote from: YoonYeonghwa on July 24, 2015, 09:52:47 AM

Quote from: XinXan on July 24, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

I still don't understand why is people so obsessed with getting positive trust, what do you need it for? Besides scamming i don't see any other option or benefit to have positive trust, you can always trade and get loans using an escrow, so you don't really need positive trust for that, so why do you want to build trust?

Not all is for scam. The logic is easy to get understood. Once you get positive trust. It means you are trusted by ppl and You have some reputation. The other party doing business with you will then trust you as well. They will go first and eliminate the middle man, which will boost the speed of the deals. You will be easy to do business here.

The "speed" excuse is featured so often in scams that attempt to cut out the middle-man that I just can't see it being used as a valid argument for trying to boost your trust on purpose. And if you purposefully tried to get that reputation, you aren't trusted either. I just let my rep build up and I have plenty, about to go into a 3-digit trust score once my newest feedback matures some more. Really, you care about it too much.

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People usually choose to become an escrow to earn reputation from this community but unless you have done a lot of trades here (50+) and have spent a lot time in this community (+2 years), it's tough to earn positive trust from DT members. Just be trustworthy and be active here. The trust doesn't matter then.

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Quote from: XinXan on July 24, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

I still don't understand why is people so obsessed with getting positive trust, what do you need it for? Besides scamming i don't see any other option or benefit to have positive trust, you can always trade and get loans using an escrow, so you don't really need positive trust for that, so why do you want to build trust?

If you have a lot of trust then your overall chances of getting scammed are reduced. Even if you are using escrow then there is a small possibility that the escrow will run right as your buyer funds escrow, or the person you are trading with is able to trick the escrow into siding when them when the escrow really should not.

The overall chances of getting scammed when using escrow are still overall very low, and I really don't think it is that important for the other party to send first when dealing with a highly trusted person

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: XinXan on July 24, 2015, 09:57:59 AM

Quote from: YoonYeonghwa on July 24, 2015, 09:52:47 AM

Quote from: XinXan on July 24, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

I still don't understand why is people so obsessed with getting positive trust, what do you need it for? Besides scamming i don't see any other option or benefit to have positive trust, you can always trade and get loans using an escrow, so you don't really need positive trust for that, so why do you want to build trust?

Not all is for scam. The logic is easy to get understood. Once you get positive trust. It means you are trusted by ppl and You have some reputation. The other party doing business with you will then trust you as well. They will go first and eliminate the middle man, which will boost the speed of the deals. You will be easy to do business here.

Do you really believe that? If he wanted to do that why not start doing his thing, whatever it might be, trading in this case, i guess and he would eventually get the trust, asking this kind of questions is really suspicious, at least for me. Besides you would need a lot A LOT of trust to eliminate the middle man, personally i woulnd't trust anyone that is not a super trusted escrow already, but that's me.

Eboner might be a reason.

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Quote from: YoonYeonghwa on July 24, 2015, 09:52:47 AM

Quote from: XinXan on July 24, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

I still don't understand why is people so obsessed with getting positive trust, what do you need it for? Besides scamming i don't see any other option or benefit to have positive trust, you can always trade and get loans using an escrow, so you don't really need positive trust for that, so why do you want to build trust?

Not all is for scam. The logic is easy to get understood. Once you get positive trust. It means you are trusted by ppl and You have some reputation. The other party doing business with you will then trust you as well. They will go first and eliminate the middle man, which will boost the speed of the deals. You will be easy to do business here.

Do you really believe that? If he wanted to do that why not start doing his thing, whatever it might be, trading in this case, i guess and he would eventually get the trust, asking this kind of questions is really suspicious, at least for me. Besides you would need a lot A LOT of trust to eliminate the middle man, personally i woulnd't trust anyone that is not a super trusted escrow already, but that's me.

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Quote from: XinXan on July 24, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

I still don't understand why is people so obsessed with getting positive trust, what do you need it for? Besides scamming i don't see any other option or benefit to have positive trust, you can always trade and get loans using an escrow, so you don't really need positive trust for that, so why do you want to build trust?

Not all is for scam. The logic is easy to get understood. Once you get positive trust. It means you are trusted by ppl and You have some reputation. The other party doing business with you will then trust you as well. They will go first and eliminate the middle man, which will boost the speed of the deals. You will be easy to do business here.

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I still don't understand why is people so obsessed with getting positive trust, what do you need it for? Besides scamming i don't see any other option or benefit to have positive trust, you can always trade and get loans using an escrow, so you don't really need positive trust for that, so why do you want to build trust?

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it's better to not get neg trust(not from scammer of course, those not count shit) than getting green trust, neg trust are far stronger, and even one can destroy your whole green status

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