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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

I guessed correctly the fake tile, the model is not reliable, because first, we have to manage enough back space for the drawer and manually create the system so the other people won't know about it right the fewer people know the better. Secondly, the model is not efficient because the water can get inside as it's in the Bathroom and what if all the pipes around the drawer got leakage and you have to call a plumber and what if at the same time, the water got earthed and it short circuit the water and that water gets into the drawer, will the items in it be safe or not?

A proper and safe place must be preferred to store such valuable items. We can simply store our seed phrases in our home safe locks and just encrypt them with any encryption method so others won't understand a thing if somehow they get their hands on it.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on October 30, 2024, 03:58:03 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

Thanks for sharing Pmalek, these are clever ways of hiding our seed phrases. My eyes aren't good at finding those secret compartments but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

You won't take the remote and add a customer tag to it that says this is what it's for or even keep it close to the position where it controls.

Walking into modern houses these days, you will see a lot of remotes that you can't explain what they control unless you ask the owner of the place. Aside from that, an extra security measure can also be taken by hiding the remote far from what it controls.

I think most of the intruders are smart enough to identify things and if they've got some target areas when they do rob a house. Well, in case that if the owner of the house is too vulgar and talks a lot that their house has sort of compartment with some remote controls and stuff, that would give them an idea. But being far from the actual safe where it's placed won't be suspicious.

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And I think someone who's an expert in tile setting might be able to find something odd if there are grouts that haven't been cleaned properly if this is going to be done DIY by a non-expert.

It's all depends on the location and how perfect the work is being done. If an electrician can perfectly install a hidden box inside a working socket without it being noticed, a good tiler can do the work perfectly in a way that another tiler can't identify.

If the owner of house is an electrician or a tile setter, that's better. But having this and letting someone to work for it, I don't think that it's a good idea. They're attracting some inside job with that.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

Thanks for sharing Pmalek, these are clever ways of hiding our seed phrases. My eyes aren't good at finding those secret compartments but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

You won't take the remote and add a customer tag to it that says this is what it's for or even keep it close to the position where it controls.

Walking into modern houses these days, you will see a lot of remotes that you can't explain what they control unless you ask the owner of the place. Aside from that, an extra security measure can also be taken by hiding the remote far from what it controls.

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And I think someone who's an expert in tile setting might be able to find something odd if there are grouts that haven't been cleaned properly if this is going to be done DIY by a non-expert.

It's all depends on the location and how perfect the work is being done. If an electrician can perfectly install a hidden box inside a working socket without it being noticed, a good tiler can do the work perfectly in a way that another tiler can't identify.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 30, 2024, 03:55:29 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

...but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

No, not necessarily. Remote controls can be used for all kind of things. Your building could have an underground garage where the remote control opens the door to the garage. Many gates are remotely controlled, not to mention numerous home appliances and devices.

Hmmm, you're right. As long as it's not specifically placed wherever these compartments are placed or near to it then the intruder won't have an idea that it's a remote for it.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 29, 2024, 04:45:33 PM

...but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom.

No, not necessarily. Remote controls can be used for all kind of things. Your building could have an underground garage where the remote control opens the door to the garage. Many gates are remotely controlled, not to mention numerous home appliances and devices.

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Thanks for sharing Pmalek, these are clever ways of hiding our seed phrases. My eyes aren't good at finding those secret compartments but having a remote control could give a hint to an intruder that there's something inside the room or in the bathroom. And I think someone who's an expert in tile setting might be able to find something odd if there are grouts that haven't been cleaned properly if this is going to be done DIY by a non-expert.

Quote from: Pmalek on October 23, 2024, 06:03:51 AM

There are many ways in which you can do this. A user in our Croatian local forum recently shared a video of a guy who drilled a hole at the top of a door in his home. He put a tube inside of the hole in which you can hide certain items, including seed phrases, for example. You can check it out here. It's quite a neat trick and good hiding place if you do it right.

Now, another idea. Shocked

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

From the video, this Looks genius they way the skilled man concealed the whole stuff in the bathroom wall tiles, though I have seen several other videos and ways that people have also device to try to conceal their valuables so people don't easily get access to the information to what they're trying to hide.

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I was able to tell from the image which tile could be the fake tile without watching the video.
The edges of tile which had the white sealing was not like the other ones and a difference could be seen.
It's a good technique to store valuables. I have even seen this in movies too where people hide their valuables in the walls and bathroom.
May be someone just did it for real but to be honest, I am not sure how long it would be sustainable.

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It's a creative ideal on how we can secretly secure our seed phrase because it'd always be unimaginable by anyone that such action is ever possible to existence there in a bathroom using this strategy.
But meanwhile, according that there're several means of how we can always be creative in hiding our values or seed phrases, let's not forget to consider possible disasters that can feasibly occur within the regions where we spotted to hide our seed phrases.

Using this remotely wall strategy, I think there should be manual alternative by which we can extract our values from the wall in case the electronic device fails when we're hasty for safety especially during an approach of disaster.

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Quote from: Cricktor on October 24, 2024, 02:47:05 PM

Not bad but in my opinion a bit overengineered. Maybe if you own the house, know how some walls are built and where enough space and width is available. I would place the drawer less central and somewhere where you won't likely look at it even when it's well concealed or where the spot won't draw your attention simply by placement, more in edge areas and at unconveniently low heights, so it's a bit off view.

Yeah that's quite true this method of seed storage would be more viable if you own the house plus it should be I a place that hardly gets much attention or renovation like the sitting room or kitchen that we mostly mod using DIY stuff. Another thing to also be very cautious of is that literally only you knows about it and if you have kids in the house it's better to do this kind of tweak when they are away.

Not as if kids are actually a threat to you seed however let's not dispute the fact that kids can give out important information even as crucial as your seed if they happen to find it due to their inquisitiveness. The fewer the trusted people you have at home the more secrets it should be.

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Quote from: m2017 on October 26, 2024, 03:42:03 AM

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That's one way to mitigate reliance on power via house's electric power support.

Let's overengineer this further: I suggest to place a magnetic inductive charge port behind the tile, so you won't need to open the drawer to recharge the autonomous power source. A nice add-on would be shine-through status LEDs as charge gauge that light up when an inductive charge coil has docked with the tile. Make it compatible with the fenced fallen fruit cult mobile chargers as bonus.

To allow shine-through you might need to carefully drill holes from the backside of the ceramic tile to achieve thin-enough thickness of material.

I'd make shine-through brightness low enough so that it's not visible under normal lighting conditions but only when it's dark in the bathroom.

Oh, btw, are there local therapy groups like Anonymous Overengineers? Grin

I might consider to join...

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Quote from: Cricktor on October 26, 2024, 02:53:23 AM

Now that I looked at the video again, I saw a major flaw of the "design" of presented solution that AFAIR nobody here talked about yet. An electromagnet holds the drawer in retracted position while a simple spring pushes it forward a bit when the electromagnet is disengaged with the remote.

To stay retracted the contraption needs permanent power for the electromagnet. Now imagine a power loss situation or someone messing with the breaker box, intentionally or not. The hidden drawer becomes unintentionally exposed... duh, bummer!

Place an autonomous power supply in the form of a battery or a rechargeable battery in the box structure. This will not take up much space and will not increase the weight of the structure. You will only need to periodically and pre-change the battery (or charge it).

Also, an autonomous power supply eliminates the problem of power outages, which would reveal the location of the box and make it accessible.

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Now that I looked at the video again, I saw a major flaw of the "design" of presented solution that AFAIR nobody here talked about yet. An electromagnet holds the drawer in retracted position while a simple spring pushes it forward a bit when the electromagnet is disengaged with the remote.

To stay retracted the contraption needs permanent power for the electromagnet. Now imagine a power loss situation or someone messing with the breaker box, intentionally or not. The hidden drawer becomes unintentionally exposed... duh, bummer!

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

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I think this is very nice, it's way better than keeping your seed phrases around the house where it can be easily desired by pests or tampered easily if found out by an unrelated person.

However the success of this strategy being achievable depends on the investor and his ability to be confidential with his Bitcoin involvement. If he could keep his mouth shut and not let outsiders know of his holdings, I think he's not going to have much issues since no one would normally think of breaking a wall in search of what he has no information about.

Secondly, this has to be situated in a least accessible bathroom, maybe his personal bathroom for more security and I believe the intention of safeguarding the seed phrase has a high possibility of being achieved

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Not bad but in my opinion a bit overengineered. Maybe if you own the house, know how some walls are built and where enough space and width is available. I would place the drawer less central and somewhere where you won't likely look at it even when it's well concealed or where the spot won't draw your attention simply by placement, more in edge areas and at unconveniently low heights, so it's a bit off view.

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It seems this is one of the unique way to hide your seed well even me I do scatter all of my seed into an unexpected place in my house if I lost one I have backup, also no one seems to make a suspicious act to check the bathroom or else people really bored at the bathroom and makes a check of each tiles like try to knock it down and hit the hidden one because possible it will give a different sound.

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Quote from: satscraper on October 22, 2024, 08:02:01 AM

Regarding SEED, entirely. Instead of placing it behind any provocative tail (which can be attached with magnets, BTW) i would drill the small-diameter-hole somewhere in the wall of my house ^{(not in bathroom)}, shove inside this hole the small medical capsule ^{(commonly used to deliver medicine inside your body)} with the rolled-up piece of paper holding SEED phrase and seal this hole with appropriate stuff so that this place were not be recognizable at any angle.

There are many ways in which you can do this. A user in our Croatian local forum recently shared a video of a guy who drilled a hole at the top of a door in his home. He put a tube inside of the hole in which you can hide certain items, including seed phrases, for example. You can check it out here. It's quite a neat trick and good hiding place if you do it right.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

When I see in the video is a wall but my question here is that the wall of a building is never that thick. And usually the main pillars of the building are thick but they cannot be carved with such width because there is road inside. From what I saw in the video, it seems that the walls of the building are very thick, so a big box is going to be carved inside. I have seen a lot of people looking for a deep place to keep all kinds of important things safe where no one will find them.

When you see the thief entering your home, they always focus on hidden places and try to take different things from there. But if you tell me what you do, I'd say I always look for flexible and easy places to keep my important things. I choose places that are so easy to recapture, & places so difficult that no one would believe that such a thing could exist.

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A nice approach I must say.
It would be best in a Bathroom for personal use
Because if you let some one like me that's fond of knocking on toilet tiles to hear their different sounds
That could lead side ways but what are the odds.

Funny there are no best way to protect keys and still have access to it because anything could happen
Since nothing is ever perfect.

Imagine travelling out and a member of the family had to invite a repairman in case of repairs in the toilet to be specific the Tile
And they definitely ain't aware
Then voila.

Again, Proof that there are creative ways to safekeep valuables.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

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Regarding SEED, entirely. Instead of placing it behind any provocative tail (which can be attached with magnets, BTW) i would drill the small-diameter-hole somewhere in the wall of my house ^{(not in bathroom)}, shove inside this hole the small medical capsule ^{(commonly used to deliver medicine inside your body)} with the rolled-up piece of paper holding SEED phrase and seal this hole with appropriate stuff so that this place were not be recognizable at any angle.

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Quote from: Outhue on October 22, 2024, 04:10:04 AM

...but for someone who takes the key everywhere they go, all they have to do is run for their lives, and their money follows.

You make it sound so easy. Just start running for your life and nothing bad will happen to you. In reality, people get robbed, shot, killed, and die from accidents every day. There is a famous video of a man walking his dog when a cat suddenly falls from a building on his head and leaves him unconscious. Instead of a cat, it could have been a flower pot, a bottle, or anything else that kills you on the spot. Often, it doesn't matter how fast you are or how much stamina or strength you posses.

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Quote from: Outhue on October 22, 2024, 04:10:04 AM

I think there should be a debate about carrying your seedphrase with you everywhere you go or keeping them in a safe at home,

It's a terrible ideati carry your seedphrase with you everywhere you go. It exposes you to so much risk, increasing the chances of you losing it or it being stolen from you. You also have to constantly switch it from one bag or jeans to another making it so much more obvious to anyone around you.

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Just get a hardware wallet which you carry around and then have a secure backup somewhere. This exposes you to some risk, but is preferable to carrying your backups around.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on October 19, 2024, 03:22:25 PM

I particularly like this idea cause it's something anyone can install themselves using a couple of work tools. I immediately write off any idea to secure financial assets that requires getting a third party to install cause that opens up more possibilities of getting involved in a $5 wrench attack.

There are many other secured ways to keep your stuffs private. I'll also be wary of using an electronically activated system, in this case if it goes wrong one can always break up the tiles

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on October 19, 2024, 03:05:35 PM

Whereas, though this may look like a best approach to hiding your Bitcoin wallet seed phrase or other valuables from third party, it won't still be enough security measure if that seed phrase is not written on materials that are fire and water proof.

Natural disasters like floods of fires will make it almost impossible to recover your wallet even with the seedphrase written on materials that are resistant. Better option will be to have your back up in multiple locations.

I think there should be a debate about carrying your seedphrase with you everywhere you go or keeping them in a safe at home, I think none is safe, it is a risk keeping your seed at home or carrying it with you, the only way to limit risk is knowing your country very well, we don't have natural disaster here so no need to prepare for any of that, but fire can break out, before you even remember that you keep your hardware wallet in a safe it can be too late already, but for someone who takes the key everywhere they go, all they have to do is run for their lives, and their money follows.

Anyways, I will just say it is better to be ready for anything, having your keys safe in more than one place is not completely safe either, it is a risk we all gotta take anyway, even been alive as a human is risky too.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on October 21, 2024, 11:59:42 AM

I prefer to use a paper and pen or pencil instead and be stored somewhere unnoticed.

I wouldn't rely too much on graphite pencils for long-term storage. They aren't as reliable as pens with ink. The writing made with ink pens lasts longer than an ordinary pencil whose marks you can sometimes blur with your fingers.

Quote from: Marykeller on October 21, 2024, 12:02:23 PM

But instead of hiding such inside the bathroom, why doesn't someone have such a concept on a tiled dining room that is well organized and arranged rather than a bathroom that will be wet all the time, and have a lot of moisture which can damage/affect the remote gadget functionality and the written paper that contains the seed phrase words.

It's just an idea. The bathroom and kitchen are the usual rooms people have tiles in. Of course, nothing is stopping you from creating something like this anywhere else in your home and disguise it in different ways.

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Just don't forget the place where you hidden seed words and your other valuable things.
I remember many cases of people finding old worthless paper money hidden in secret places and discovered many years later.
This is not visible with naked eye but simple knock with a finger would find secret stash., and I wouldn't hide anything valuable in toilet Wink

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Wonderful concepts; it will be hard for anyone to decode that someone has his or her valuable like seed phrase hidden in the tiles of their bathroom. But instead of hiding such inside the bathroom, why doesn't someone have such a concept on a tiled dining room that is well organized and arranged rather than a bathroom that will be wet all the time, and have a lot of moisture which can damage/affect the remote gadget functionality and the written paper that contains the seed phrase words. However BitMaxz is well correct about it

Quote from: BitMaxz on October 19, 2024, 04:02:46 AM

I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.

The same goes for a paper wallet, so I believe the best option for storing seed backups in a hidden drawer is a backup seed made of steel, such as a Crypyosteel Capsule or a Keystone tablet.

By right, technology devices, and papers are not meant to be kept in a cold environment to avoid losing them because water alone can affects the durability of gadgets and what is written on a paper to fade away over time.

That's the reason why, most people likes keeping their valuable things away from cold environs because that attracts moisture that can affect the durability of the things they have

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Quote from: Coyster on October 20, 2024, 10:35:00 AM

When you say legally, do you mean handing it over to a lawyer in the form of a will? I wouldn't sleep well at night if i did that, i would have nightmares of my lawyer going off-grid and enjoying my money in some off shore country.

I don't think bitcoin was designed to be kept with a lawyer, not your keys, not your coins. I'd find a way to pass my assets down without compromising its security with a third party.

Provided if the lawyer did not killed you before sleeping Grin

Yes, that is true. Bitcoin is not design to be in that way. It is created in a way you do not have to trust anyone. I see no reason you have anything to do with a lawyer unless it is multisig and involve more people.

Quote from: Nothingtodo on October 20, 2024, 11:19:20 AM

If the seed phase is engraved on the wet wall with brick sand cement, then at some point due to humidity, the engraved part on the wet wall will be destroyed. Moreover, if the paper is written on the wall and stuck with glue, then the paper will be destroyed while taking a bath in the bathroom and the writing will not be clearly understood.

Good point. But you can get yourself a titanium or steel sheet for the seed phrase backup. I prefer to use a paper and pen or pencil instead and be stored somewhere unnoticed.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 03:01:09 AM

The drawer in the video is quite large, perhaps even unnecessarily large. If you only wanted to hide a seed and/or a hardware wallet, you wouldn't need such depth.

that's my first concern especially when you're considering that it's installed in a bathroom. If failure accure and then for a long time you don't pay attention to it and it dragged some waters into the the drawer, it could get your phrase all soaked and wash off the content.

Placing your seed phrase and other valuable in the same location is not also the best approach for me, I would rather make use of this same method on a tiny spot and then put the phrase in another container before placing it in the drawer for further protection. This is a nice concept and as far as securing your phrase by yourself at home is concerned, this might just be the best hack to consider.

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Quote from: Nothingtodo on October 20, 2024, 11:19:20 AM

If the seed phase is engraved on the wet wall with brick sand cement, then at some point due to humidity, the engraved part on the wet wall will be destroyed. Moreover, if the paper is written on the wall and stuck with glue, then the paper will be destroyed while taking a bath in the bathroom and the writing will not be clearly understood.

That will only happen if you are not using something much stronger like metals for example where you will engrave your seed phrase and store it in the hidden drawer even if it's in a bathroom. If it's paper then storing it with just glue or something like that then it won't last very long but if the paper is laminated by plastic then it will last for a long time. The paper where you write your seed phase is just stored as it is then I don't think it will last due to the humidity in the bathroom.

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Quote from: Knight Hider on October 20, 2024, 03:18:40 AM

A wet bathroom is a bad place to store paper or electronics. A remote control means your storage needs power. A good storage doesn't add risks.

If the seed phase is engraved on the wet wall with brick sand cement, then at some point due to humidity, the engraved part on the wet wall will be destroyed. Moreover, if the paper is written on the wall and stuck with glue, then the paper will be destroyed while taking a bath in the bathroom and the writing will not be clearly understood.

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Quote from: RockBell on October 20, 2024, 07:51:42 AM

I have noticed that most people find it very had to keep their seeds phrase safe, and I still prefer keeping it safe legally to make it claimable when the person is no more.

When you say legally, do you mean handing it over to a lawyer in the form of a will? I wouldn't sleep well at night if i did that, i would have nightmares of my lawyer going off-grid and enjoying my money in some off shore country.

I don't think bitcoin was designed to be kept with a lawyer, not your keys, not your coins. I'd find a way to pass my assets down without compromising its security with a third party.

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Quote from: Knight Hider on October 20, 2024, 03:18:40 AM

A wet bathroom is a bad place to store paper or electronics. A remote control means your storage needs power. A good storage doesn't add risks.

The place does not look bad because if it is well protected then I don't think water should be a problem because their are some part that water can not get to so it's not really a big deal but I think I have a problem with that but what if their was a disaster or even when you want someone to find out about your the funds how will they know exactly were it is located I hope it does not waste away.

It's not a bad idea but if anyone is following the same step then they should tell someone about it, any family trusted member or even a wife but we all know how crazy a woman can be that they might even disappear with your funds theirs nothing we have not seen when it comes to women, anything that has an advantage also has an disadvantage.

I have noticed that most people find it very had to keep their seeds phrase safe, and I still prefer keeping it safe legally to make it claimable when the person is no more.

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I managed to detect where the hiding place is, because it can be seen that every time the box is pulled out, it "destroys" the joint and if everything is not done perfectly again (new joint and perfect washing of the wall after that), whoever knew that there is something like that in the house, it would certainly attract attention.

I would try to improve the design in such a way that the box has some kind of plastic/rubber joint that sits perfectly in place after each insertion - and in addition, to reduce the sound of the cavity if someone hits the tiles, put at least 10 cm of concrete filling (removable of course) before the box itself. This could be a problem with the automatic opening of the box, but it could be a good protection against accidental discovery and possible moisture penetration into the storage.

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A wet bathroom is a bad place to store paper or electronics. A remote control means your storage needs power. A good storage doesn't add risks.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 19, 2024, 07:56:10 AM

This method has been shared on social media so it's not a secret anymore. Anybody that has seen the video or have heard about it and has the intention to steal your seed phrase will know that it can be hidden behind a tiled wall.

Robbers are usually quick going in and out and looking to grab what they can as fast as possible. They are not going to go knocking on tiles looking for hidden drawers or knocking down walls in search for valuables. You can find lots of videos online showing various hiding places. Thieves would need a checklist if they were to inspect everything.

Quote from: Nothingtodo on October 19, 2024, 09:35:02 AM

I don't think it's a good idea because there's no security involved in carving or hiding the seed phase of a bitcoin wallet in a wall. Walls can be destroyed at any time due to cyclone, earthquake or natural disaster. Once destroyed, that security phase will never be recoverable.

The same is true if you hide your seed phrase in any other way, shape or form. If an earthquake woke you up in the middle of the night, you would try to run out of there as quickly as possible, taking your family with you in their pajamas. You wouldn't be looking for your seed, your favorite jersey, or that expensive perfume you got for your birthday.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

I can't spot it, but it might be just a resolution issue. Besides, how can this work on other kinds of walls? This little gadget cannot be practically constructed to suit every wall design there is.

It's a cool idea, but pretty niche and impractical.

Quote from: BitMaxz on October 19, 2024, 04:02:46 AM

I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.

You would probably only store the seed phrase there, preferably in protected paper, so that it lasts, undetectable.

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Quote from: Nothingtodo on October 19, 2024, 09:35:02 AM

I don't think it's a good idea because there's no security involved in carving or hiding the seed phase of a bitcoin wallet in a wall. Walls can be destroyed at any time due to cyclone, earthquake or natural disaster. Once destroyed, that security phase will never be recoverable.

You must understand that where you keep your seed phrase wouldn't matter if you are a victim of an earthquake or a serious natural disaster, staying alive would be the only thing that matters at that point in time. This pattern of storage is a good protection from intruders and people in your home, it is not meant to protect you from a natural disaster, for such protection, keep your backup in separate locations that are far from one another.

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I particularly like this idea cause it's something anyone can install themselves using a couple of work tools. I immediately write off any idea to secure financial assets that requires getting a third party to install cause that opens up more possibilities of getting involved in a $5 wrench attack.

There are many other secured ways to keep your stuffs private. I'll also be wary of using an electronically activated system, in this case if it goes wrong one can always break up the tiles

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on October 19, 2024, 03:05:35 PM

Whereas, though this may look like a best approach to hiding your Bitcoin wallet seed phrase or other valuables from third party, it won't still be enough security measure if that seed phrase is not written on materials that are fire and water proof.

Natural disasters like floods of fires will make it almost impossible to recover your wallet even with the seedphrase written on materials that are resistant. Better option will be to have your back up in multiple locations.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

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I haven't watched the video, but judging from the rough edge of the spot which I highlighted with a red marker, I think that's where the inbuilt box might be located, but I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but I will be heading over to go check the video after now to confirm if I was right or wrong.

Whereas, though this may look like a best approach to hiding your Bitcoin wallet seed phrase or other valuables from third party, it won't still be enough security measure if that seed phrase is not written on materials that are fire and water proof. Moreover, it is a nice initiative.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

Tried severally but couldn't find it and this might just be one of the best ways of hiding things and not just Bitcoin that I have seen. I also know about making the same type of hiding spot but not in the bathroom but on the flood of your room or walls and you'll get the same results. There are some cons to this though because in a scenario when your house collapse or there's a fire outbreak, there wouldn't be enough time for you to try and rescue your hardware wallet and you lose everything to the disaster. Probably having a backup seed phrase elsewhere will be a perfect backup for this hiding method but again where are you going to keep the backups that'll make it a completely safed plan then.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

No way, I guessed it wrong haha. This mean you can hide your seed in the wall from me, atleast. This is a great strategy but I am not sure if I would go and break my bathroom or room tiles to get my phrase inside it. I currently have my seed phrase everywhere in the home and one page contains only 6 of them. So you kinda need to collect all to guess it correctly.

Let's hope I will be able to collect all when I really need them

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on October 19, 2024, 02:38:24 AM

The reason why I love this concept is that no one will ever think that ypu can keep your valueables hidden in a bathroom. Secondly, your bathroom is highly prohibited to anyone not staying in the same room with you....

This method has been shared on social media so it's not a secret anymore....

Exactly, lol. Showing and sharing this concept will give hints and ideas those malicious attackers to consider this place as one of their targets when doing their operations.

But of course this will not limit the place such idea will also good in any part of the house but it needs more consideration.

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It was impossible to notice which one is the fake tile since all the grout lines are even so without tapping no one can say there's a hidden compartment in it. But someone only with the expertise on doing this can pull it off, even if you hire a professional I doubt they would have done this with this much perfection.

There are similar ideas and pick one which you can afford to do it.

1. Build a safe room under the floor (like Gus Fring created a meth lab under the dryer)
2. Book Safe (like a safe box in the shape of a box that should embed perfectly into the bookshelf)
3. Fake Electrical output
4. Behind a photo frame.
5. Conceal inside a wall.

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I don't think it's a good idea because there's no security involved in carving or hiding the seed phase of a bitcoin wallet in a wall. Walls can be destroyed at any time due to cyclone, earthquake or natural disaster. Once destroyed, that security phase will never be recoverable.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

I checked the tiles closely but couldn't find the fake one. I think it's a good way of keeping your wallet away from people. It might not be a perfect strategy, but it is unique. My take is that keeping your seed phrase in this place shouldn't stop you from storing it in other places. This should be one of the locations where the seed phrase should be kept.

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 19, 2024, 02:46:58 AM

1. The remote having a little bit fault which means one might have to take out some tiles out to actually get the box open.

Removing a few tiles shouldn't be a problem when you are securing an asset. Some people kept their valuables in a place where they would have to destroy more than just tiles to retrieve them. The more difficult it is to access the more safer it might be.

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on October 19, 2024, 02:38:24 AM

The reason why I love this concept is that no one will ever think that ypu can keep your valueables hidden in a bathroom. Secondly, your bathroom is highly prohibited to anyone not staying in the same room with you.

Lastly, it is the last place that will come to anyone's mind to look for such and even if you go there, how will you know it is hidden inside the tiles. It's unique. I enjoyed the video.

This method has been shared on social media so it's not a secret anymore. Anybody that has seen the video or have heard about it and has the intention to steal your seed phrase will know that it can be hidden behind a tiled wall. Although it's a good innovation and it gives us more options on how to safeguard our seed phrase and other valuables. It is very important to hide our seed phrase in more than one location because no matter how secured a hidden place is, if any disaster or theft were to happen there, we'll likely lose it. Securing seed phrase is the the biggest responsibility of being the custodian of your Bitcoin, and that is the price of decentralization.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on October 19, 2024, 04:02:46 AM

I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.

The same goes for a paper wallet, so I believe the best option for storing seed backups in a hidden drawer is a backup seed made of steel, such as a Crypyosteel Capsule or a Keystone tablet.

Paper can be laminated. Hardware equipment can be placed in watertight boxes and you can place silica gel packets around your devices. Anyways, the recovery phrases are what matters and what people should be focused on. Storing the hardware wallets is of secondary importance. They have their own security features like PINs or stateless operation.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on October 19, 2024, 06:47:44 AM

Although this innovation is very catchy, I think we should consider the possibility of such a building being affected by fire or natural disaster or a major wreck or earth quakes and it may be hard to even retrieve the locked up information in the fancy bathroom vault.

Well, if your building explodes, collapses, or an earthquake causes havoc, it won't matter if you stored your seed in the wall, in a book, or some other hiding place in your home if everything above you falls like dominos squashing everything in its path. That's why backups in different geo-locations are so often recommended.

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Sounds interesting, but this is still one among many other ways to hide jewelry and valuables including passwords, hardware ledgers, computer drives with information that's worth a fortune.
Although this innovation is very catchy, I think we should consider the possibility of such a building being affected by fire or natural disaster or a major wreck or earth quakes and it may be hard to even retrieve the locked up information in the fancy bathroom vault.

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on October 19, 2024, 02:38:24 AM

Lastly, it is the last place that will come to anyone's mind to look for such and even if you go there, how will you know it is hidden inside the tiles. It's unique. I enjoyed the video.

I agree with your concluding statement there, though. Nowhere is 100% safe to hide anything. A bathroom isn't one, whether we use it alone or with anyone else. Houses collapse. Houses get burnt. Those in wars get their homes attacked and abandoned. When all that happens, anybody's least worry would be remembering or rescuing anything hidden in a bathroom somewhere.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

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I spot it correctly on a tile with a little blur white cement. If the man did it better, I will not be able to identify that tile of the drawer.

It looks to be a good method to hide your hardware wallet but I see one risk. Hiding it in a bathroom with a lot of water, moisture, is it actually safe and no risk?
I am scary that the hardware wallets stored in a drawer will be damaged by water and especially moisture. A desiccant is a possible solution to reduce risk of moisture but I think doing this method outside a bathroom is safer.

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Interesting, I haven't thought of this but this is a good idea if someone is looking for another place to keep his back up. Just make sure that whoever does this is the one who'll do the drilling and won't ask someone to do it so that no one will have an idea about the secret storage.

Quote from: BitMaxz on October 19, 2024, 04:02:46 AM

I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.

If it's the hardware wallet that will be kept there, it'll surely be corroded because of the moisture but if it's just the seed, like written in a dogtag or any material that's moist resistant. It shall be fine IMO.

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I do not think it is a good idea to store a hardware wallet in a hidden secret drawer because bathrooms are always wet and produce more moisture, which I believe can damage the hardware if stored there for an extended period of time.

The same goes for a paper wallet, so I believe the best option for storing seed backups in a hidden drawer is a backup seed made of steel, such as a Crypyosteel Capsule or a Keystone tablet.

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 19, 2024, 02:46:58 AM

At least better way to conceals valuables like the hardware wallets in as much as I don’t have a problem with this, my only concern is
1. The remote having a little bit fault which means one might have to take out some tiles out to actually get the box open.

It shouldn't be that difficult to get it open with a screwdriver or a similar tool if the remote started causing problems.

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 19, 2024, 02:46:58 AM

2. Second I think not all building will be to have this kind of box except the thickness of the wall is increased for tiny walls.

You will have to choose the wall carefully and, obviously, make sure there is enough depth there. The drawer in the video is quite large, perhaps even unnecessarily large. If you only wanted to hide a seed and/or a hardware wallet, you wouldn't need such depth.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2024, 02:30:01 AM

I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

It is impossible to determine which of the tiles is fake, because the tile outline (joints) are sealed with sealant, which makes all the tiles the same. From a visual point of view, it is impossible to determine where the hidden drawer is.

But there are other methods: for example, tapping the tile, which will allow you to determine the voids, as well as a metal detector (the presence of metal elements).

In general, a rather interesting and useful method for making a hidden drawer, a small drawback of which is the need to re-seal (to smear) the outline with sealant after each opening (in general, this is not critical and can be easily solved), and also, how to open it if the battery runs out or oxidizes (may happen in 20 years

)?

I would make some minor changes to the design: add a thickened wall to the front part (behind the tile), similar in structure to a concrete wall (I'll have to experiment with materials), so that this tile doesn't knocked with an empty sound, but at the same time so that it doesn't affect the ability of the drawer to slide out due to the shifted center of gravity. Overall, I think it is a useful solution with a drawer behind the tile, which everyone can individually modernize based on their needs.

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At least better way to conceals valuables like the hardware wallets in as much as I don’t have a problem with this, my only concern is
1. The remote having a little bit fault which means one might have to take out some tiles out to actually get the box open.
2. Second I think not all building will be to have this kind of box except the thickness of the wall is increased for tiny walls. Overall it is good option to have at home as you only worry is to safeguard the remote. But it should be noted that even with this one needs various back ups again in different locations because of some natural disasters like earth quacks and its likes

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The reason why I love this concept is that no one will ever think that ypu can keep your valueables hidden in a bathroom. Secondly, your bathroom is highly prohibited to anyone not staying in the same room with you.

Lastly, it is the last place that will come to anyone's mind to look for such and even if you go there, how will you know it is hidden inside the tiles. It's unique. I enjoyed the video.

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I came across a video showing an interesting way of hiding your valuables, which can include seed phrases or hardware wallets. A fake bathroom tile with a drawer inside of the wall. The drawer is controlled remotely and pops out with the press of a button. You can then pull it out.

The drawer is neatly concealed and hard to spot. At least that's how it looks in the video.

Before you watch the video, try to guess which one is the fake tile on the wall? Can you spot it?

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