Holy shit! How did this become a NSFW thread? I opened this up on a city bus and the woman sitting next to me moved to another seat. LOL
I'd rather walk then be on a city bus.
Topic: How to keep your bitcoins secure if you suddenly disappear (jail or prison) - page 8. (Read 17025 times)
August 17, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
I'd rather walk then be on a city bus.
August 17, 2014, 03:05:50 PM
Holy shit! How did this become a NSFW thread? I opened this up on a city bus and the woman sitting next to me moved to another seat. LOL
August 17, 2014, 01:15:25 PM
What will you do when the jews come for your bitcoins and guns, white man?
August 17, 2014, 02:06:30 AM
Actually, less than 3% of inmates are ever raped in jail.
Prison rape is deliberately exaggerated to keep everyone terrified of prison.
Prison rape is deliberately exaggerated to keep everyone terrified of prison.
I wouldn't be surprised if that number was much higher. Think about how many prisoners would like to openly admit something like that had happened to them. I could be wrong and maybe it is just used as a fear tactic but I wouldn't be surprised to learn the real numbers are much higher in such a dysfunctional environment.
August 15, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
If I had to get my Bitcoins over a timespan of imprisonment:
Saving Bitcoins:
1) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or something like that
2) run a program which does nothing other than repeating "x = sha256(x)" until I push the "stop" key
3) wait as long as possible
4) just before going to jail, stop the program by pressing the "stop" key. After stopping the program, I take the current "x" value as the private key and tranfer all my Bitcoins to the corresponding public key.
4b) Memorizing approximately how many x=sha256(x) steps it took might help later
Restoring Bitcoins:
1) extract all Bitcoin addresses from the blockchain
2) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or what I've choosen
3) run a programm which does "x = sha256(x)" until the corresponding public key matches an address in the block chain (Memorizing 4b could accelerate the task because calculating a public key from a private key requires some extra power)
4) restore my savings
Saving Bitcoins:
1) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or something like that
2) run a program which does nothing other than repeating "x = sha256(x)" until I push the "stop" key
3) wait as long as possible
4) just before going to jail, stop the program by pressing the "stop" key. After stopping the program, I take the current "x" value as the private key and tranfer all my Bitcoins to the corresponding public key.
4b) Memorizing approximately how many x=sha256(x) steps it took might help later
Restoring Bitcoins:
1) extract all Bitcoin addresses from the blockchain
2) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or what I've choosen
3) run a programm which does "x = sha256(x)" until the corresponding public key matches an address in the block chain (Memorizing 4b could accelerate the task because calculating a public key from a private key requires some extra power)
4) restore my savings
BIP38 is easier, and currently takes anywhere from a minute to 10 minutes on existing implementations, to encrypt/decrypt keys.
I've been looking at customized PBKDF's... like the one used in RAR, or TrueCrypt or VeraCrypt. Those are practically un-brute-force-able.
If it takes a modern computer a few seconds to derive the 256-bit AES key ... it's going to take forever for someone to just go from A to Z even if the password was only 10 characters, more is better.
August 15, 2014, 08:27:02 AM
Do you mean "less than 3% of inmates are ever raped in jail"?
Or "less than 3% of inmates admit to being raped in jail"?
Hmm that may be a valid point.Or "less than 3% of inmates admit to being raped in jail"?
"It was conservatively estimated by the Department of Justice (DOJ) that approximately 1 in 10 inmates were assaulted in 2012, and as prison populations continue to grow, it can be assumed that this number has only increased in the past two years."
source: http://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/crime/rape-part-sentence/
3% may not be accurate. If they're "conservatively estimating" 1 in 10 are being "sexually assaulted" in some way, it's probably 15-20% in reality.
But be aware that "sexual assault" includes things like touching and molestation, not necessarily full on rape.
August 15, 2014, 08:04:28 AM
How about a QR tatoo?
That might get a little...ehm...distorted over time in jail.
Prison rape is deliberately exaggerated to keep everyone terrified of prison.
Do you mean "less than 3% of inmates are ever raped in jail"?
Or "less than 3% of inmates admit to being raped in jail"?
August 15, 2014, 07:02:26 AM
I agree there is far too many ways you could keep them secure, it really is just a case of looking into each option to select the best option not only for you but that is proven to be nearly 100% safe while you are away for such long periods of time.
Option 7. of courseThey are all very easy methods I think, but not without danger of loss.
Summary of methods so far:
Summary of methods so far:
- 1. multi sig paper wallet
- 2. plain paper wallet/cold storage
- 3. encrypted paper wallet
- 4. cloud based storage service
- 5. Private keys encrypted in the cloud, with a password you won't forget by a few years
- 6. memorize 64 hexadecimal chars, keep the private key in your brain
- 7. QR tattoo
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-keep-your-bitcoins-secure-if-you-suddenly-disappear-jail-or-prison-736618
August 15, 2014, 07:47:58 AM
There's a way :
encrypt your wallet.dat with good password > archive wallet.dat to zip with password > upload .zip to cloud storage (please choose secure & still avalaible even you dissapear for long time) > done
Or maybe you want to remember your private keys
encrypt your wallet.dat with good password > archive wallet.dat to zip with password > upload .zip to cloud storage (please choose secure & still avalaible even you dissapear for long time) > done
Or maybe you want to remember your private keys
August 15, 2014, 06:53:31 AM
I agree there is far too many ways you could keep them secure, it really is just a case of looking into each option to select the best option not only for you but that is proven to be nearly 100% safe while you are away for such long periods of time.
August 15, 2014, 05:28:39 AM
so many ways to be selected!
August 14, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
Discuss.
Shall we discuss the fact that you're a racist asshole?
August 14, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
Multisig paper wallet would be safest in my opinion. Then store multiple copies in separate safety deposit boxes 
The police/district attorney could easily get warrants to search safe deposit boxes that you own, and the chances of them doing this to your boxes would be much greater if you are charged with a more serious crime. I think whatever method you use, you must be able to access your funds using only your head and nothing more then your head.
August 14, 2014, 05:49:37 PM
If I had to get my Bitcoins over a timespan of imprisonment:
Saving Bitcoins:
1) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or something like that
2) run a program which does nothing other than repeating "x = sha256(x)" until I push the "stop" key
3) wait as long as possible
4) just before going to jail, stop the program by pressing the "stop" key. After stopping the program, I take the current "x" value as the private key and tranfer all my Bitcoins to the corresponding public key.
4b) Memorizing approximately how many x=sha256(x) steps it took might help later
Restoring Bitcoins:
1) extract all Bitcoin addresses from the blockchain
2) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or what I've choosen
3) run a programm which does "x = sha256(x)" until the corresponding public key matches an address in the block chain (Memorizing 4b could accelerate the task because calculating a public key from a private key requires some extra power)
4) restore my savings
Saving Bitcoins:
1) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or something like that
2) run a program which does nothing other than repeating "x = sha256(x)" until I push the "stop" key
3) wait as long as possible
4) just before going to jail, stop the program by pressing the "stop" key. After stopping the program, I take the current "x" value as the private key and tranfer all my Bitcoins to the corresponding public key.
4b) Memorizing approximately how many x=sha256(x) steps it took might help later
Restoring Bitcoins:
1) extract all Bitcoin addresses from the blockchain
2) calculate x = sha256(my full name + birth date + name of the primary school I went to + something simple to memorize) or what I've choosen
3) run a programm which does "x = sha256(x)" until the corresponding public key matches an address in the block chain (Memorizing 4b could accelerate the task because calculating a public key from a private key requires some extra power)
4) restore my savings
August 14, 2014, 03:59:47 PM
no it's not, he admits it himself.
August 14, 2014, 03:53:31 PM
I believe it's in the following video which is also on his website. Bitcoin Cryptocurrency Crash Course
This crash course is 1:12 long
and I have no idea at what point he mentions it. I'm only 99% certain this is the correct video. This talk is from last summer in silicon valley. Being it was from last year some things are a bit outdated like regulatory uncertainty which also led him to say he wouldn't recommend it as an investment. Meanwhile he says that it was almost all his investment. This was before the congressional meetings last year and the subsequent bubble. I gave this video to a certified financial planner as part of an intro I made for him about btc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9-lAYngi4
This crash course is 1:12 long
and I have no idea at what point he mentions it. I'm only 99% certain this is the correct video. This talk is from last summer in silicon valley. Being it was from last year some things are a bit outdated like regulatory uncertainty which also led him to say he wouldn't recommend it as an investment. Meanwhile he says that it was almost all his investment. This was before the congressional meetings last year and the subsequent bubble. I gave this video to a certified financial planner as part of an intro I made for him about btc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9-lAYngi4
dont get me wrong I love Andreas, but for some reason he looks
like a crazy vampire in that speech.
thats blasphemy!
August 14, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
I thought about creating a service, like boomerang for gmail: Person signs a transaction from A->B, but doesn't broadcast it. My server will broadcast the transaction only if you don't check in for the last 30 days. If you get thrown in jail (or die), no one would suspect that transaction is yours.
Wouldn't a Dead Man's Switch work for that purpose? But those are mostly for emails only. If there was an email-to-broadcast-tx service, that would work with almost all those dead man's switches or even google inactive account manager.
August 14, 2014, 09:08:54 AM
Discuss.
Shall we discuss the fact that you're a racist asshole? 
August 14, 2014, 07:45:13 AM
They are all very easy methods I think, but not without danger of loss.
Summary of methods so far:
Summary of methods so far:
- multi sig paper wallet
- plain paper wallet/cold storage
- encrypted paper wallet
- cloud based storage service
- Private keys encrypted in the cloud, with a password you won't forget by a few years,
- memorize 64 hexadecimal chars, keep the private key in your brain.
- QR tattoo
August 14, 2014, 07:35:19 AM
Multisig paper wallet would be safest in my opinion. Then store multiple copies in separate safety deposit boxes
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