How to know total money been invested in bitcoin

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

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The simplest way is to look at transactions because you can see how much money you deposited for investment there.
As for large investments without the government knowing, this is actually a little difficult, I think, because regardless of anything, before we invest the money into bitcoin or other crypto, this is clearly in fiat form, right? is it possible that they didn't know when such a thing was in a fiat?

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

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1- Because Bitcoin is decentralized, it is difficult to determine whether Bitcoin is stored by one person or an institution in many wallets, but through the total value of Bitcoin, you can know the total money invested in Bitcoin, which is $320 billion, according to ConMarketCap (as of Jan.3, 2023).

2- Yes, it is possible if you do not invest your money on a central exchange platform and store your bitcoin in a decentralized wallet. Also, when using a Bitcoin mixer service such as [banned mixer], it can make you 100% anonymous, and your transactions will be untraceable by governments and authorities because it protects your identity and privacy easily and at a low cost without storing any records from you, the Bitcoin Mixer service is suitable for anyone who has millions and billions of dollars of bitcoins and wants to hide his identity when sending bitcoins to another person or when buying services and products online. DYOR

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

just for education

it is very difficult now to invest large sums of money in Bitcoin without the authorities noticing anything, especially if you use centralized Exchanges (aka Binance coinbase just to name a few) with decentralized Exchanges already the matter becomes a little more private, but the big problem will be returning FIAT currency, and there will be big problems because they could also accuse you of money laundering. in my opinion, however, the only person who could guide you are the accountants

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

I don't believe this is determinable; how do you go about it given the market's volatility? I'd advise instead of using your precious time and brain to think about what won't be beneficial to you even though you know. Your ultimate goal should be to make a profit.

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2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

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I would say it is possible with a decentralized exchange, but it would have to be accumulated over time or a large profit from an investment made before that time that leads to a large profit.

Since a centralized exchange is usually required to convert the funds before you can spend them, and because bitcoin isn't yet legal tender in all countries, your anonymity cannot be guaranteed unless authorities are aware of the large sums of money in such wallets.

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

Through its marketcap.

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

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There are OTC transactions but if you're asking about without being tracked then you have to go with the P2P way. Like the actual trades that do happen personally.

Because in P2P trading platforms, you can still be tracked by the exchanged if ever the authorities asks for your transaction details from them.

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You can not know it exactly because you can not differentiate investors and traders.

You can use Bitcoin marketcap then minus the marketcap from inactive UTXOs (many years) which likely from lost bitcoins.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/
Hodl waves: https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/hodl-waves/ and https://unchained.com/hodlwaves/

Looking at bitcoin addresses, UTXOs are not correct because many investors buy shares from some companies but they don't buy bitcoins. They want to buy bitcoins but for some reasons, they decided to trust third parties and buy shares from those entities. You can consider them as Bitcoin investors, it's just their approach to buy shares (which are not bitcoins) is wrong.

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

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1.You would need to gather all the info from all cryptocurrency exchange platforms in the world about all Bitcoin purchases. I highly doubt that the crypto exchange platforms would reveal such information. Years ago, multiple crypto exchanges were faking their trading volume, in order to look bigger and more reputable. Maybe these unethical practices remain in some of them.
2.No, it's no possible. Even if a bunch of billionaires are hiding billions of dollars in offshore bank accounts, which are located in "tax heaven" islands, the authorities can find a way to track those money.

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It is impossible to determine the value of money invested in the Bitcoin. Sometimes people assume marketcap as total investment but in true sense it is incorrect.
It maybe possible someone holding huge amount of BTC in various wallets but it shouldn't be any of our concerns, even if the money is legit or not

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When we talked about tracking, then surely they can track you because when you see some thread today, they can actually see some huge amount of BTC being moved to another wallet and some newbies always became alarmed and posted it here. I guess you can find a way not to get tracked when you have that huge amount of money to invest but surely the entire crypto market will react to that because it will gonna be surely a huge fuss when they see the huge percentage of the price increase.

I guess whales nowadays are dividing their investment to hide from these people who always track them and some of them may be already exited the market from the fear of getting caught because they might gonna face some changes especially when their country has tight rules against BTC.

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To find out how much money you have invested in bitcoin, you can make a journal that contains the date and amount of fiat money you used to invest. Or you can use Excel, which provides columns that you can fill in with the date and amount of money and how many bitcoins you bought.

That will make it easier to track how much money you have used. I usually do it that way and it really helps to know my total investment in fiat money. From there, I can find out the temporary profit position that I have got.

If bitcoin is legally accepted in your country, it may be okay to invest 10 billion. But if not, your bank will suspect it and will investigate. My advice, do this regularly every week or month in the amount you can afford.

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knowing how much money went through bitcoin is impossible

watching exchange trade volume is meaningless. someone can arbitrage the same 1btc in a multi currency hop loop multiple times to multiply volume

looking for exchange deposit and withdrawals dont correlate to actual market order listings/exchanging. it can just be custodian holds for a different time/price

comparing satoshi's stash of 1m coins at $0.001-$0.01each to say all of michael saylors trade dates of his 135k coin.. to say grayscales trust deposit dates. brings such a random average that it becomes meaningless of any precise figure that its not even worth trying to gather such known entities acquisitions

using UTXO age does not correlate to peoples fiat trades, its just their wallet shuffling dates which could be movements for a variety of reasons and not trading against fiat when utxo dates move

and no before you dare suggest it. no market cap is not a representation of some hoard of fiat.. its just a math number of a single order of any amount calculated /multiplied against all coins of circulation. totally meaningless

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I think it will determine the total investment in Bitcoin is not hard with a boat then you can be able to know total number of people who invested in Bitcoin since the original bitcoin and they also investment in Bitcoin have to do with personal interests and risk-taking because you can invest in Bitcoin today and be tomorrow all your money vanish then you will not tell anybody because he's a digital currency and nobody controls heat regulation

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

You can have some notion by accessing this website where they classify bitcoin's addresses by how many bitcoins each of them holds.
https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html

Wealthiest addresses must belong to exchanges' wallets, not individual investors.

Total invested money in BTC should be the total number of coins in circulation multiplied by currently BTC's price, no?

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know

It's not about the quantity invested but the interest on investing continuously, you can get the history to your investment through your wallet transaction history and you can also track your address from the blockchain to see the transaction history as well.

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities

It's possible you can make alot of deposit in huge amount without being tracked down as long as you're not using a centralized exchange, run a bitcoin full node using bitcoincore on a Tor client, you can get a hardware wallet as well.

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

If you're into an illegal system and earned alot of funds through it and uses a centralized exchange, you will be apprehended, but the network is not designed to undergoes a check on the source you're acquiring the funds from as long as you're been privately decentralized.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on January 23, 2023, 12:49:02 PM

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin

We can't. The centralized exchanges have a pretty good picture because they see how much fiat money was deposited and withdrawn. They are not sharing this information.

They are sharing volume though and there's blockchain data with transfers to known exchange wallets. There are chain analytics that focus on this and you can find all of it if you do a bit of googling.

Whether those are whales or not is difficult to tell because if I wanted to buy 1000 bitcoin and I did it all on binance that has a known wallet and makes their volume public people would know but I don't have to do it.

I can buy everything OTC or I can buy some of it OTC, or keep buying 100 coins each month, every time on a different exchange and every time into a different wallet. You wouldn't even know.

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Bitcoin is an authentically decentralized cryptocurrency. So there is no reason to prevents from accumulating Bitcoin, regardless of the amount. It cannot be traced unless you share your address with another person. Or, even better, use a reputable Bitcoin mixer. When you store your Bitcoin in a non-custodial wallet or a hardware wallet, the government cannot intervene because they cannot regulate it. Only the Blockchain data can reveal which addresses are holding how much Bitcoin. But can't figure out who it is.

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin
maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

It would not be very easy, but where there is a will there is a way. The big problem with that would be to move fiat without many fuss. Buying Bitcoin woild not be the problem, the iasue would always be with fiat.

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin

We can't. The centralized exchanges have a pretty good picture because they see how much fiat money was deposited and withdrawn. They are not sharing this information.

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

maybe many rich's are accumulating know ,
and maybe they or a one person already accumulated worth more than combining some biggest whales how we can know if the bitcoin are stored in many many wallets by one person or institution

We have no idea how many coins "whales" have. There are surveys about ownership of coins, but we can't know how accurate they are, even if their methodology is good.

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

No, only the richest people on Earth have access to such sums. So the only way to do it without being tracked by authorities is to be the authority - only dictators and their inner circle can do it.

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Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

1. How we can determine total invested money in bitcoin

We cannot, for the same reason we can't do it on gold. We can only determine the market cap, which isn't kind of the same thing.

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

Tens of billions? With the authorities not knowing a thing? No, I doubt.

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Check for your transactions but I doubt it would be an exact amount. The market price is changing unless you are only interested for an amount in the form of your investment. But if it is fiat equivalent, that would be hard for sure. The market value moves a lot which makes your computed value indefinite. I do also tend to do so but only speculation to somehow give me inspiration to continue engaging in this industry. It will somehow show you how long have you been in this industry which could push you to continue.

Quote from: Fullcoinese on January 23, 2023, 12:10:04 PM

Quote from: cafter on January 23, 2023, 11:54:51 AM

2. Is it possible to invest very very big money like 10's of billions without been tracked by authorities
or is it not possible to earn or invest this amount by illegal business

not impossible, but it's too risky when you live where your country does not legalize the ownership of Bitcoin and other crypto assets.
you will also need support for converting your Bitcoins to your fiat currency. it may be difficult for the authorities to track down asset ownership if you are not connected to a centralized exchange. but a transaction of that size would certainly be a concern for authorities when you deposit your fiat to buy Bitcoins.
but given your situation, it would be better if you didn't take this big risk.

If your country chose to restrict this technology's usage, we really cannot do something about it but to hope for things to change in favor for this industry. Many people inlcluding governments are aware of what this technologu is all about but only a few really do so.

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