Topic: How to know who is Satoshi Nakamoto or the Bitcoin Cinderella shoe. (Read 351 times)

whether you accept this or not its will not change the facts ...

he is great guy but legend??? why??? because he received bitcoins from the team of satoshi , this is make him legend and dont get me wrong he is great guy but ...he didnt make bitcoin go viral its fact, ...

because if he was part of the team he never will be in the front to receive first bitcoins its can lead to others and other shit even after all ask expert security everything can be traced on the internet...everything ,only 0.002% know to be truly anonymously and its impossible to trace them and its not done with tor ...its different few smart experts explain this on github how its done.

satoshi team used this way to publish the papers its was not with tor...

hel finney is far away from to be legend compare to people like edward snowden, Chelsea E. Manning, Daphne Caruana Galizia(which was killed because she exposed real things and was received* the info from groups of people under one name**) there are bunch others legends

the punk marketers that work on making bitcoin viral are legends who know if they part of team satoshi or not...its unknown....

hel finney isnt punk marketer and didnt make bitcoin viral its fact not theory...he is not marketer...and without top marketers it was not happen so fast and even die.

edward snowden was saying that peer to peer file sharing can make financial freedom because bitcoin peer to peer is not new tech and far away from new tech, its mix of techs that was out there,,,bitcoin came from peer to peer file sharing with twist called block--chain

peer -- blockchain -- peer
not only edward snowden said that peer to peer will financial freedom also few others which i not goint to say names but smart people know to get to this because everything can be traced on the internet... and they said it way before bitcoin came...

some say bitcoin created by banks or governments or agents which this theories come from the most dumb people , this kind of people will also say supply dont affect price and other shit but let look from sharp logic way why??

1. bitcoin came from peer to peer file sharing decentralized tech...bitcoin is peer to peer with twist which called blockchain..

2.why peer to peer file sharing was created what the reason for decentralized tech...very simple, before peer to peer file sharing there was few central servers that hold the mp3,video,movies,software,info and other things and the govermnets pretty fast locate them and shut down them, then people became more smart and create peer to peer file sharing...which each computer is the server that upload and download....which mean the governments now with decentralized tech need to shut down more then 500 million private computers and its impossible...some peer hold mor info some lees its the nature of decentralized tech compare distributed tech where each peer equal in holding to other in some sort of level...
search on google: decentralized vs distributed

3. peer to peer tech come most of the time from activist

4. bank,paypal,visa and bunch other its central tech what was before peer to peer which is decentralized...visa,banks,paypal and others everything go througe centralized servers/entity and this is how they control and make money and know everything about us which lead us to fact not theory they dont behind bitcoin, because peer t peer put them out from the chain...which mean no middle man, so simple.

5. the same with governments its centralized entity and everything is interconnected with banks,paypal, and other....in the moment peer to peer tech enter you put them out of the chain...in other words its the first time we write history.

after all this all the centralized entities are paid by money paper.

satoshi is team on a global scale...edward snowden is part of an international huge team without salaries like agents or politicians and other its mean they know to make money and be undepented, he escaped from usa to china , there people waited him to hide him,,,there are alot like him they just underground to fully and some expose them and dont fear any agents and 0ther shit even they know they under huge risk.

Edward Snowden comes was the most early Bitcoin adopter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2463&v=PVN13ad3UUk 2019 he admit this......41:00 min

hal finney is great guy but compare to the marketers that make bitcoin viral and people like edoward and bunch other he is nothing its fact...
this is are the legends

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you cannot change facts and everything cam be traced over the internet.

Right, while Satoshi is just enjoying his private life some are also pretending to be him and trying to claim bitcoin for themselves. Bitcoin is very successful even now so it’s normal that someone may want to be recognized as inventors of bitcoin and I think the real Satoshi doesn’t want to come out despite bitcoin’s popularity. I also couldn’t understand why wanted to find Satoshi when bitcoin was able to stand alone by itself. If Satoshi won’t come out then let’s respect it.

No, you do your research and stop posting stupid things


I'm starting to believe you have no clue how transactions work...


And I wasted my time on somebody who believes all the crap from tabloids.
So, if you already know that Dorian Nakamoto
is satoshi why all this detective work?

You are talking about Craig Wright? Shame. This guy is embarrassing.

Are there actual people who are pretending they are the person behind the creation of Bitcoin?

If that's the case (and proven false) then they're just baiting it for attention.

 

Ok the time stamps are
Genesis #0: 2009-01-09 02:54:25
Transaction #394: 2009-01-14 01:52:50

So it took 5 days to mine this transaction that was sent to Hal Finney. (2x more time that it normally should). Who was mining 5 days after the genesis at this date 2009-01-14 01:52:50 and sent 2000 BTC to Hall in 2011?

That's my point.

Double check what I am saying, check the transactions, check the blocks...
What I am saying is true. Satoshi sent these 2000 BTC to Hal in 2011. He has the wallet with the transactions, and all the unspent transactions. That's the Cinderella shoe.

when you start a topic like this, you need to get into the habit of checking things you say so that they are factual. otherwise everything else will look like your own guesswork.
in this case you are simply multiplying number of blocks with number 10 but you are missing the fact that finding blocks is a luck based thing and also with difficulty 1 it can't go lower than that so sometimes it takes longer to find a block.
so the time (if you actually check the blocks) is >5 days or >120 hours

More info about the "mess"... you did not research and you assume too quickly.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FBgZPF9ceV7JFDgvWzwJdPjdn6VFJqc5s

These are the transactions that were collecting the money to send to Hal Finney. Total 2000 BTC in 2011, sent from Satoshi. Here is the proof of it.

Check how the 400 BTC were collected you will find some very old block rewards.
For example:
Block 432: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a94ce7bdfc2204c25fbeae8a66a82d6cf5a276f295c9995820f4621c8587022e
Block 591: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/af67d4f0e784ad7d7c21cdbe2d501633f97a29b85be75f9a8fdd771cd14f1e53
Block 394: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/b550304180c25457c810707c5fac13398a8c3abf56871e4cc4e4804336768b5b
etc..
And a bunch of block all < to #1000
These are some of the earliest block ever spent. By who?

In 2011, Satoshi sent 2000 BTC to Hal Finney, as a gift or funding, or to help. Hal said he was the first to mine, (block #78) but he gave up mining because his computer was getting hot and the noise of the fan was bothering him.
Satoshi probably though that because of the health issue and maybe the friendship (they both lived in Temple City CA) he was not well served in BTC and sent him a gift.

Think about it. The block #394 was mined 3,940 minutes after the genesis. That's only 65.67 hours after the genesis. Who was mining BTC at this time?. And do not tell me that Hal sent 2000 BTC to himself!

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dumb people ** like you over all the place ,,, when simple search cn lead to few people that sure was behind this project to others its impossible...

Bitcoin was not created by one man. It was a team of highly skilled cryptographers with punk marketers which make it viral with almost zero spend on ads, only uneducated dumb people will think its one person behind this hhhh.


bit coin idea its not new tech its just mixing tech that already exist and created from peer to peer file sharing, because pper to peer file sharing was created way before bitcoin and the reason for peer to peer file sharing(decentralized tech) because central file sharing was pretty fast shut down by governments, because movies,mp3,softwares and other info was hosted on few main servers and its easy to shut down them, so people created peer to peer file sharing and each computer is server that download and upload info and now the governmnets need to shut down more then 500m computers and its impossible.

Peer-to-peer file sharing is the distribution and sharing of digital media using peer-to-peer (P2P) networking technology. P2P file sharing allows users to access media files such as books, music, movies, and games using a P2P software program that searches for other connected computers on a P2P network to locate the desired content.[1] The nodes (peers) of such networks are end-user computers and distribution servers (not required).

Peer-to-peer file sharing technology has evolved through several design stages from the early networks like Napster, which popularized the technology, to the later models like the BitTorrent protocol.

now BITCOIN ** come from this idea just with twist peer to peer money, in order to make this happen they created block--chain between peer a and peer b

peer -- blockchain -- peer

Edward Snowden was speak about peer to peer can make financial freedom way before bitcoin come and few others hhhhh its problem when people greedy and dumb as fuck and the logic function inside the head bro=ke until age 60-70 hit and game over for them....

the founder of ethereum in small conference in israel answer to somebody that ask from where all this info and vitalik answer was , people that know to organize them self over the web.

and its cannot created by fucky agents whatever country and while they spying each other like dumb kids on shitty salary..and governments and banks for sure hhhhh not behind this because peer to peer come from activist and kill central p0wer very simple...

Edward Snowden comes out as early Bitcoin adopter "The servers that I used [when whistleblowing against the NSA] were paid for using Bitcoin."
2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2463&v=PVN13ad3UUk 41:00

so most of the people uneducated and the logic function inside the head dont work its real and they think its one person hhhhh

after short time bitcoin explode cicada start search people in the same knowledge and skills and other things ...fact few countries also tried to copy past cicada but get no results like to make it viral and interesting and other things like to flying from country to country under different names...

I like the fact that Satoshi is anonymous and hasn't been traced. It's kind of part of the point of bitcoin that everything is decentralised without some overarching single authority figure. Anyone who claims to be Satoshi really demonstrates that they are not purely through the act of making the claim itself.

An aim of Satoshi was decentralisation, so in a way Satoshi himself is decentralised as all of us who believe in the original vision hold a fragment of it from our own personal perspectives. In a way we are all little Satoshis.

I am Spartacus! I mean Satoshi.

Thanks about these info.
This thread is very interesting, thanks for the link.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507458.0;all

According to the precedent thread, the first transaction from Satoshi to Hal is block #78 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/00000000a2886c95400fd3b263b9920af80b118b28fee5d2a162a18e4d9d8b2f
If true then this address is from Hal too... very interesting.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1AiBYt8XbsdyPAELFpcSwRpu45eb2bArMf

Also here is the post from Hal Finney about the first transaction, historical: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1643833

Lols, you're making a mess of everything

First, the coins that Satoshi sent to Hal are these
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16

Second, the transaction you quote as being from Satoshi to Hal
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3

The timestamp is  .

Third, one of the funding addresses for those 2000 coins  is
12oRSUW6UVYNCUk8yyrFvbpbJw7uia31sA , it contains reward from block 528

That block was mined by Hal, not Satoshi

Not that easy... you need to make at least 2 wallets, separate the addresses from the one who send, and the one who receive... That's sounds like a very hard to do.

But when you trace these transactions, he never use 2 times the same address. That's thousands of addresses. Doing this manually would be complicated.

but in early days (like the first month) there was barely anyone even aware of bitcoin let alone mining it so we can be sure that most if not all of the blocks of those days were mined by Satoshi so it can't be for obfuscation.

there is no way to know for sure if this was automated.

in other words you need a digital signature from those keys! LOL
otherwise creating a code snipped creating transactions and sending them out and then storing them in a wallet.dat file only takes 5 minutes and I can do it right now if you like.

Check my post just before, I give the addresses of the transactions. It is interesting to see how he was collecting the BTC from the mining and then sent this to Hal Finney.
This was not the first transaction in the blockchain, but the first between to 2 real different persons. We can assume that all the transactions before (and there are a lot) are Satoshi kitchen sink...

Are you referring to this transaction? This is the first time the bitcoin network was used, ever, in like, sending bitcoins between two people. After that, the rest seems to be vague exchanges from unknown people. Where did the 1000 btc came from?


Uhhh, I might be missing out a lot on what you're saying, but apparently the first few transactions on the network are just block rewards and a few test transactions, none of which amounts to 1000, ever. The first true network activity began months after the first transaction was made.



Which will be a valiant yet a dire effort, considering that one will already know who is fake and who is not based on how they know about bitcoin and how they interact with people.

Here is where to start: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
This is Satoshi sending 2000 BTC to Hal Finney.

Now trace back from where these 2000 BTC are coming from.
Step one 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
Step 2: 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/128BsiE4sQDWMNMkDsUxRLMAasJWdXZXdP
Step 3: 3500 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PZwWEJe5YGx9bzJbEpgXiWLuWnyD2rjLA
Step 4: 1000 BTC (from the 3500 in step 3) collected here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17afxUJouat3fkaaQ9tZrDThxdkXGL4WrM
Step 5. check all these address, some are direct mining 50 BTC, others are more collected 50 BTC
1Jy5dQmet2xg1Pk5VYZE2hSWu8StK6aQWZ
14nELEgJL95NU3BKi5D734ysFuVUCEjLWg
1AHJbmcNpaxrgwDc12XFXnUSfpED5ksSiH
17LDnEt8ggVjH43QdjhZ4FhkXC9zXgk48b
1HQkgckTBytqaGmwyQgqTU5aptuZ7qFiyp
1CbDYwNDp5aA5FVmCf2Z95kjkMCgoBr2X8
1GSAXEQEW7st7prSuz89x6DjKEcLUFSDCJ
1B2EqNLFj7hoSWJupZLQrGMd2unu8doTjc
1AoWi2xSyQoWuxrYrdr1PPVi5PxA8caNGC
1DCcZbNtttndh6tvoK8xRTB5BUMdfL51aL
1BSgXqBzNHFfdqRHBPzLD23CFXpzhqpRrb
1NdLg6FNKyFXyRfmFssW4DSgaWRzscYXUg
14DFY3RsdrJ5U6CCgatYssM2gKAiyBm4mE
18QQUbHJhyzFDVKhEHPhHFZF3qdBmp74eB
1ADTuxdhYePCW9PEvkCKnib6jmbg6mKXdz
19CkFSEiHB5UVah3fvZD17qk48m82TfAp8
1BoBh9JKnHVj1JAy2GS4LeA3yHyN6ra2qE
12oRSUW6UVYNCUk8yyrFvbpbJw7uia31sA
13evwJtdkEp2wcmv5xtqE7mF6pr5bFrbxw
1DdhxvYwVrnUP4xcWaquUnmZ177HVeUT2L

This is for the collection part. It is not made manually or the guy was a freak. I think that he was faking traffic and transactions for testing purpose.
The real Satoshi knows how and why, and has the wallet with all these adresses.

The point is not to find who is Satoshi, but who is NOT.

The investigators in the case of Craig Wright should check the 1.1 Millions bitcoin wallet and see if this wallet was the one who did all these manipulations...
At least Satoshi, has this wallet and should be able to demonstrate who he is, by showing this, even if he lost the private key which is a possibility.

Seems like you are new to Bitcoin and cryptography, so here's a thing - in Bitcoin private keys are used to sign transactions,  but those keys can also be used to sign any other data, and most Bitcoin wallets support this function. So, there's absolutely no need to move any coins and publish any wallet with passwords and private keys - a simple cryptographic signature is enough to prove ownership of a private key corresponding to a public key, in this case - Bitcoin address.