How to make 1 bitcoin in a month or 2? - page 96.

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Quote from: taxmanmt5 on March 27, 2017, 12:23:39 AM

Quote from: Ferris419 on March 26, 2017, 03:01:10 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

Yes earning from signature campaign can help him in building up his capital if he manages to save those earnings without spending them and once he reaches to a good amount he can use it in trading altcoins from where he can make good profits and will also help him in multiplying his bitcoins over a period of time.

Signature campaigns earning are safe but they will not give you 1 or 2 bitcoins per month and not even in six months. Shocked

. I think you should have good skills and you can get your services redeem in bitcoins, that way you can earn more bitcoins.

Maybe we just got 0,1 BTC - 0,2 BTC in a month with joined signature campaign and any bounties in this forum.
If we just solely on a Signature campaign to make the bitcoin, maybe to reach 1 BTC we must wait for a year.

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Quote from: Ferris419 on March 26, 2017, 03:01:10 PM

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Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

Yes earning from signature campaign can help him in building up his capital if he manages to save those earnings without spending them and once he reaches to a good amount he can use it in trading altcoins from where he can make good profits and will also help him in multiplying his bitcoins over a period of time.

Signature campaigns earning are safe but they will not give you 1 or 2 bitcoins per month and not even in six months. Shocked

. I think you should have good skills and you can get your services redeem in bitcoins, that way you can earn more bitcoins.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 10:37:34 PM

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 09:24:34 PM

But as of now he isn't able to join some of it as you can check he's been inactive and still on a newbie rank I guess it isn't going to be enough. Well being ambitious is going to make you dream a lot of it. But without proper requirements and source of income it isn't going to be enough to earn that amount. Just land a job already.

He is a newbie and to build up his member level he need to work on daily basis then only after certain time his rank will get higher and after reaching to member level he can start participating in signature campaign but he cannot expect a huge income out of it as the payouts are really low at a moment.

I don't think so he is going to do that probably he already forget about his aim. But for those people like us who are still able to do so we just need to make a lot of effort and we don't have to just depend with signature campaigns as we know there are a lot of things to be considered by the company to make their campaign go on and it is not enough to earn that amount on it.

Don't restrict yourself only to Signature Campaigns, the services section sometimes has good offers. I like when there are new social media campaigns being started, these days it's hard to find it, but when it starts appearing usually appears more than one. So, be ready with your social media accounts when this happen, otherwise you can lose the opportunity of extra profit.

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Quote from: LimLims on March 26, 2017, 10:15:40 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 09:24:34 PM

Quote from: Ferris419 on March 26, 2017, 03:01:10 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

Yes earning from signature campaign can help him in building up his capital if he manages to save those earnings without spending them and once he reaches to a good amount he can use it in trading altcoins from where he can make good profits and will also help him in multiplying his bitcoins over a period of time.

But as of now he isn't able to join some of it as you can check he's been inactive and still on a newbie rank I guess it isn't going to be enough. Well being ambitious is going to make you dream a lot of it. But without proper requirements and source of income it isn't going to be enough to earn that amount. Just land a job already.

He is a newbie and to build up his member level he need to work on daily basis then only after certain time his rank will get higher and after reaching to member level he can start participating in signature campaign but he cannot expect a huge income out of it as the payouts are really low at a moment.

I don't think so he is going to do that probably he already forget about his aim. But for those people like us who are still able to do so we just need to make a lot of effort and we don't have to just depend with signature campaigns as we know there are a lot of things to be considered by the company to make their campaign go on and it is not enough to earn that amount on it.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 09:24:34 PM

Quote from: Ferris419 on March 26, 2017, 03:01:10 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

Yes earning from signature campaign can help him in building up his capital if he manages to save those earnings without spending them and once he reaches to a good amount he can use it in trading altcoins from where he can make good profits and will also help him in multiplying his bitcoins over a period of time.

But as of now he isn't able to join some of it as you can check he's been inactive and still on a newbie rank I guess it isn't going to be enough. Well being ambitious is going to make you dream a lot of it. But without proper requirements and source of income it isn't going to be enough to earn that amount. Just land a job already.

He is a newbie and to build up his member level he need to work on daily basis then only after certain time his rank will get higher and after reaching to member level he can start participating in signature campaign but he cannot expect a huge income out of it as the payouts are really low at a moment.

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Quote from: Ferris419 on March 26, 2017, 03:01:10 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

Yes earning from signature campaign can help him in building up his capital if he manages to save those earnings without spending them and once he reaches to a good amount he can use it in trading altcoins from where he can make good profits and will also help him in multiplying his bitcoins over a period of time.

But as of now he isn't able to join some of it as you can check he's been inactive and still on a newbie rank I guess it isn't going to be enough. Well being ambitious is going to make you dream a lot of it. But without proper requirements and source of income it isn't going to be enough to earn that amount. Just land a job already.

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Quote from: Rune on March 26, 2017, 07:00:03 PM

You can't make decent money with out skills or capital

Well, we will need those two not just one of it to earn better.

Quote from: marseille on March 26, 2017, 07:42:40 PM

It will take lot of hard work and efforts to earn 1 btc in that short period and it will also depend on what skills you hold and how dedicated you are at your work and even trading cannot give you that amount if you don't have good knowledge of it and if you invest there without any knowledge then you will surely loose your money.

Quote from: Text on March 26, 2017, 08:15:08 PM

I can't make at least one bitcoin yet hopefully someday. Is anyone here or person you know had already achieved it? Being a freelancer can really make that amount or higher, there are available jobs online that you will be paid for as low as half a million per project. And the experience you will gain is very much important and can help you in the future.

With OPs plan to just dedicate two hours a day, it is highly unlikely that he will achieve his goal to earn even one bitcoin in one month. That is laziness IMO, or if not, he has no time to work on it and his goal is not achievable because of that.

May be he is looking for quick money by doing nothing and if that is the mentality then the only way is to go for gambling where either he will make it big or loose everything in a single day and if he is willing to work and learn then trading is a solution to his query.

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Quote from: Rune on March 26, 2017, 07:00:03 PM

You can't make decent money with out skills or capital

Well, we will need those two not just one of it to earn better.

Quote from: marseille on March 26, 2017, 07:42:40 PM

It will take lot of hard work and efforts to earn 1 btc in that short period and it will also depend on what skills you hold and how dedicated you are at your work and even trading cannot give you that amount if you don't have good knowledge of it and if you invest there without any knowledge then you will surely loose your money.

Quote from: Text on March 26, 2017, 08:15:08 PM

I can't make at least one bitcoin yet hopefully someday. Is anyone here or person you know had already achieved it? Being a freelancer can really make that amount or higher, there are available jobs online that you will be paid for as low as half a million per project. And the experience you will gain is very much important and can help you in the future.

With OPs plan to just dedicate two hours a day, it is highly unlikely that he will achieve his goal to earn even one bitcoin in one month. That is laziness IMO, or if not, he has no time to work on it and his goal is not achievable because of that.

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I can't make at least one bitcoin yet hopefully someday. Is anyone here or person you know had already achieved it? Being a freelancer can really make that amount or higher, there are available jobs online that you will be paid for as low as half a million per project. And the experience you will gain is very much important and can help you in the future.

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It will take lot of hard work and efforts to earn 1 btc in that short period and it will also depend on what skills you hold and how dedicated you are at your work and even trading cannot give you that amount if you don't have good knowledge of it and if you invest there without any knowledge then you will surely loose your money.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

Yes earning from signature campaign can help him in building up his capital if he manages to save those earnings without spending them and once he reaches to a good amount he can use it in trading altcoins from where he can make good profits and will also help him in multiplying his bitcoins over a period of time.

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Quote from: phaddie on March 26, 2017, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

Yes we know that and even you are going to add some other giveaways and social media campaigns it is not really going to be enough. But it is better to had than nothing. That's why I'm trying to point out that he can use those profit for starting to trade with alt coins.

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You can make it if you have different source of bitcoin which gives you really good amount like in trading which is the most profitable way to earn more coins especially if you uses a big capital. There are lot of ways online on how you can reach your target amount one of them is offering your computer skills like programming and web design.

Trading isn't an easy way but if you've got big capital it's very possible to earn. But the closest way of earning this big amount will always be with being a freelancer, we know that freelancers are earning high salary depending on their task and some are project based. Most of the freelancers here in my country are also not obliged to pay tax.

It is true, there are several freelance who have high salaries. But it is not a task we will get automatically (or constant), for frelance will only work if needed, if not then they just quietly at home and do something that may not be useful (it's not all people). Trading is much better to do, because it gives a pretty good effects in the brain think the turnaround (the brain is always working). But we have to do things that are reasonable, because each thing has its advantages and disadvantages

Freelancing and trading are both non-stable jobs although trading is much easier to get into than freenlancing for bitcoin because we all know that

the job positions are very limited and the skills they're searching are pretty much the same so if you don't have it then better do some altcoin

trading. At the end of the day it depends per person. On his skills, interests and the amount of money that he is willing to risk.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:46 AM

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Nowadays its so hard to get 1BTC of Bitcoin. I think the most possible way to earn 1BTC is by freelancing, if you know how to make websites, do graphic designs. This is possible.

This is what I keep on saying especially with those people like OP that doesn't want to invest. Because this amount is truly hard to get if you don't have something to offer or to sell. But if you can do a business like buying and selling of the things that you've got. Probably you can earn this amount if you can have good volume of sales.

Yes you cannot earn 1btc or 2 in a month by not doing much. you have to make sure you learn more about btc, once you have good idea about idea then try to trade which is risky but at the same time possibilities are you will earn more. otherwise if you are skilled at animation or gaming or web designing then you can do some freelance project which will give you the best in return.

Trading isn't enough if you are not willing to invest some capital on it or you don't have a bigger capital. I prefer the web designing and other programming skills because they are in demand. But animation is also good, the best way on earning is none other than being employed.

If you don't want to invest then only left option as mentioned above freelance course. Rather than that i dont think so any easy way you will earn 1 or 2 btc. General advise what i can tell you is get employed somewhere and earn money and invest in the btc. the price is low now i think after sometime for this investment you will be very happy as you have taken the right step investing in btc.

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

We cannot expect very high incentives from signature campaign as the income from it is very limited and low too but if he can save that income regularly then it can help him in reaching to a descent capital in future which he can utilize in trading and can become a full time trader and start making money out of it.

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Quote from: tabas on March 24, 2017, 04:02:44 AM

Quote from: Text on March 24, 2017, 01:01:55 AM

You can make it if you have different source of bitcoin which gives you really good amount like in trading which is the most profitable way to earn more coins especially if you uses a big capital. There are lot of ways online on how you can reach your target amount one of them is offering your computer skills like programming and web design.

Trading isn't an easy way but if you've got big capital it's very possible to earn. But the closest way of earning this big amount will always be with being a freelancer, we know that freelancers are earning high salary depending on their task and some are project based. Most of the freelancers here in my country are also not obliged to pay tax.

It is true, there are several freelance who have high salaries. But it is not a task we will get automatically (or constant), for frelance will only work if needed, if not then they just quietly at home and do something that may not be useful (it's not all people). Trading is much better to do, because it gives a pretty good effects in the brain think the turnaround (the brain is always working). But we have to do things that are reasonable, because each thing has its advantages and disadvantages

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 24, 2017, 12:11:21 AM

Quote from: layoutph on March 23, 2017, 10:58:12 PM

Nowadays its so hard to get 1BTC of Bitcoin. I think the most possible way to earn 1BTC is by freelancing, if you know how to make websites, do graphic designs. This is possible.

This is what I keep on saying especially with those people like OP that doesn't want to invest. Because this amount is truly hard to get if you don't have something to offer or to sell. But if you can do a business like buying and selling of the things that you've got. Probably you can earn this amount if you can have good volume of sales.

Yes you cannot earn 1btc or 2 in a month by not doing much. you have to make sure you learn more about btc, once you have good idea about idea then try to trade which is risky but at the same time possibilities are you will earn more. otherwise if you are skilled at animation or gaming or web designing then you can do some freelance project which will give you the best in return.

Trading isn't enough if you are not willing to invest some capital on it or you don't have a bigger capital. I prefer the web designing and other programming skills because they are in demand. But animation is also good, the best way on earning is none other than being employed.

If you don't want to invest then only left option as mentioned above freelance course. Rather than that i dont think so any easy way you will earn 1 or 2 btc. General advise what i can tell you is get employed somewhere and earn money and invest in the btc. the price is low now i think after sometime for this investment you will be very happy as you have taken the right step investing in btc.

Well there seems to be no choice for those people that are hoping to earn big amount without doing some effort of investing. Though the price may seemed to be low now but it doesn't matter because it will pump again and I'm pretty sure about that. If he manage to do trading or joining some campaigns he can start his trading career already.

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The thing is just working here you wont be able to earn 0,10btc monthly in the general, signatures are paying around those, and there are limited spots and a lot accounts, users trying to join them. If you trade with those btc you get from the signatures, you might have some lucky and your coin be pumped, even with those the odds are against you if you have a tiny ammount to invest into trading.

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If you want to earn that amount then you have to be ready with multiple ways of earning them like signature campaign, trading, offering services and lending and if you can manage to do it simultaneously then you will be able to reach that amount in that time period.

It is the only way to earn that amount monthly and with the price decrease of bitcoin now that is going to be harder if he is going to trade. But for offering services which is very popular and normal to the people that needs freelancers, it is a very effective way to earn a lot especially if you found a very good employer.

In fact, it's not easy to earn that amount monthly, we must be active fully in this forum
(for signature campaign) and also must be often to monitor the market prices (for trading).
Maybe to get 1 BTC / month without any investment is impossible.

It is possible but if you are a newbie trying to get your first dollar then it does not make much sense to think you are going to be able to wake up one day and somehow earn that big amount of bitcoin in a month or two.

Maybe it will be possible if we are have 5-10 Hero Member accounts in this forum, Lol.
and joining all of the signature campaign with high payment. Then the results of the Signature campaign,
we use to trading altcoin which profitable coins. With that's way, I think will be easily to get bitcoin without investment.

When I said a newbie I was not necessarily thinking about the ranks on the forum someone in the forum may have a high rank but has never earned a dollar in the internet, so that will make him newbie in the world of making money even if in this forum that person has a high rank.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 24, 2017, 11:11:51 PM

Quote from: sandor111 on March 24, 2017, 05:59:41 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 24, 2017, 12:11:21 AM

Quote from: layoutph on March 23, 2017, 10:58:12 PM

Nowadays its so hard to get 1BTC of Bitcoin. I think the most possible way to earn 1BTC is by freelancing, if you know how to make websites, do graphic designs. This is possible.

This is what I keep on saying especially with those people like OP that doesn't want to invest. Because this amount is truly hard to get if you don't have something to offer or to sell. But if you can do a business like buying and selling of the things that you've got. Probably you can earn this amount if you can have good volume of sales.

Yes you cannot earn 1btc or 2 in a month by not doing much. you have to make sure you learn more about btc, once you have good idea about idea then try to trade which is risky but at the same time possibilities are you will earn more. otherwise if you are skilled at animation or gaming or web designing then you can do some freelance project which will give you the best in return.

Trading isn't enough if you are not willing to invest some capital on it or you don't have a bigger capital. I prefer the web designing and other programming skills because they are in demand. But animation is also good, the best way on earning is none other than being employed.

my way of thinking is like this, you don't have to set the limit. Because when we set the limit either we become anxious or annoyed. first you need to consider bitcoin as money, the more you work hard, show your skillset, learn and explore the more you earn. same applies here too. you must have good knowledge of btc, join the singed campaign, invest in btc now try to buy more coins and sell after some days that itself a best way to get the profit from btc.

But I think OP is interested in knowing how he can earn 1 btc in a month or two so putting fiat money in buying it is not applicable here as if you have money then you can even buy more then 1 btc in a month and that is not a big deal and when we talk only about earning 1 btc in a month then its not at all easy as you need to have multiple skills and not only skills will help you but you should also have good multiple projects in your hands from where you can expect some income in bitcoins.

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