Topic: How to predict whales manipulation - page 5. (Read 1068 times)

I'm sure whales manipulate the market. And it will end when most people sell their coins.

No one can detect whales manipulation because its look like real trading dumped from bad news cryptocurrency

in my opinion there is only one thing that matters for price rise and that is adoption. as long as more people are coming in and starting to use bitcoin the price will go up and having a limited supply helps with that rise too. but we still need the increased adoption.  ETF isn't just some magic thing that can increase the adoption or prevent it which is why I believe its approval or rejection won't change much.

take a look at some charts and you should get a better answer.
the change can be anything and we have had huge changes in the past. but usually it is not bigger than 10% per day which can be considered as a small change since bitcoin is already volatile. amount doesn't matter ($100, $200) because it is relative. for example if price is $10 and it goes up $100 that is a gigantic rise but if price is $100,000 and goes up $100 that is nothing because the first one is 1000% rise and the second one is 0.1% rise.

It's very hard to predict the manipulation before it happens even for the so-called market experts. It takes a while to learn how the market works including reading charts and other signals. Although it may not predict market manipulations it can still help you avoid big losses.

There are few ways to indicate the whale movement, if the price go up or go down deeply without any reason, then there is a chance of whales is manipulating the price, if you see some of tye fud news then the whales are starting their move to lower down the price, the other way is to join the whale group to see which coin they tend to pump or dump

Interesting your opinion about ETFs so no more bad news so the price rises... but if ETF were accepted the price would have rose also... in fact BTC will go to the moon whatever things can happen around 
sorry for my grammar, I’m not US or English and school is far away from me 

Well, of course I’m quite a newbie in crypto, I’m in bitcoin only for 1year, so can someone tell me what can be the average  of some up or down move in a day .. 100 or 200 $ or 10% - 20% ?

stop comparing bitcoin with shitcoins and you will be able to predict the market movements realistically and as a result you won't think every price change is a whale manipulation. for instance in the past few days that the rise started it was simply be cause the ETFs were rejected and people knew there is no more bad news to cause a "newbie panic sell" so they started buying back. and additionally the rise is too small to be a manipulation and we need a much bigger rise to at least $9k before we can get out of this inverse bubble first then we can talk about manipulation.

Dumping is important for whales. So, have to be beware of the market. This is gambling with the price, either you win or lose. Nothing in between.

When I read all of you, some say that it’s not a whales move and some say it can be...
But for me the most important is to know that at this moment some very big wallet exist and when they move, they can create some dump or pump... so I wonder if there is no way to be informed of these moves to a exchange before ..
Yes it’s certainly stupid for some of you, but when I look back at the market and when I see some correction, I find nothing really interesting to predict a move down or up..

These must be very tiny whales.   You must be very new to Bitcoin, because a 1% to 5% daily volatility in Bitcoin is nothing strange for us.  

You will know when whales are involved in Bitcoin, because the volatility will be much bigger and faster than this small bump in the price. A lot of these whales work together in a pod, so the volatility will snowball once a pump or a dump is initiated.

Go back and have a look at the daily volatility in Bitcoin and you will see what I mean.  

It depends how much time you can spare. As it is impossible to predict without an inside connection the only way to find out is to continuously monitor the charts. Look out for pump signals or two reasonable dumps, the rest will follow

Whales are so sophisticated no one can even predict any of their move without any insider information.

it is difficult to predict how the whale moves because they are inclusive and there are rarely people or bodies that can enter easily in their groups. but what I observed after they were satisfied to do a dump would be the market would recover as soon as possible

There isn't any price manipulation presently as far as the price of bitcoin is concerned, I believed it is the action of market forces vis-à-vis demand and supply whenever whales enters the market massive bullish or bearish movement is often noticed and observed hence nobody can accurately predict when the whales will pump and dump obviously this is one most difficult aspect of trading bitcoin.

It's to predict whale's manipulation on the price of the coins in the market because you will only realize that it is a whale if a big volume of a certain coin was bought or sold by one address only. You cannot predict it unless you know that whale and will tell you when at what he or she will buy or sell.

firstly this move to ~$7k is not a big deal and i dont deem it a whale manipulation..
i think some newbs need to look at bitcoin history and see that bitcoin always sways in movments of 10%'s where other forex markets may only sway 1%'s. check google type in "bitcoin is volatile" and you will see its normal. and something people need to get used to. learn to enjoy the natural waves.

anyway.
no one can predict the next ATH tsunami but the underlying waterline can atleast be somewhat measured

the btc price is made up of 2 elements. 'cost of obtaining'(value) and then the bubbly speculative hype above that.
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earlier this year we seen the correction from the big tsunami of the speculation hype bubbles. but underlying that sellers were selling and the new buyers were setting their new limits. and more importantly miners were increasing the hashrate (thus the cost of mining) is always on a steady slope up.

august was a period of $6k+ mining costs. and with hashrates moving up the mining costs move up. and thus the underlying cost of obtaining support line moves up.
since november 15th 2017 until now. all the traders with coins bought below $6k has had ample chances. and ample panic attack oppertunities to sell at $6k. so with mining and traders treating august as $6k support. its now time to move forward.

the majority of coin holders no longer are willing to sell below $6k
no one can predict the next ATH but looking at the overall longer term bottom lines of support. and knowing its based on cost of obtaining limits (a line no one is stupid to cross below because they will lose) as coins swap hands that underlying line moves up which suports a price movement up even when there is nothing to speculately hype about.

yea there may be very temporary dips and blips because some people are stupid. but the gap between the underlying value and the 'price' is small and a good oppertunity to buy before the hype bubbles of speculation create new larger waves and the global warming of mining raises the underlying waterline of bottomlin support

It would be very hard unless you have an insider. A whale pumping and dumping on lower volume altcoins is possible because you can notice the volume and bots. But on top markets like bitcoin it is unpredictable.

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If everybody could predict how the crypto whales act in order to manipulate the prices,it would have been impossible for them to manipulate anyhting.
I'm pretty sure that the only way to predict  how the whales act is to become a crypto whale and partner with the other whales.Just get a few millions worth of crypto and you are done.Just kidding.

People are just paranoid, the whales and manipulators have been a boogeyman of Bitcoin community for years, and it's easier for people to blame some mysterious whales for the price change instead of blaming the whole community. Lots of people are trading Bitcoin, some do it for a living, others as a hobby, and a lot of people are new into trading in general, so they might trade very emotionally, which contributes to volatility. This forum is full of posts about the price and price movements, and it seems likely that those who ask these questions are trying to trade, otherwise why would they care much?

I think that a big part of the actual manipulation comes from the media, even though it might not always be intentional: when Bitcoin is going up, the media, both crypto and mainstream ones, try to explain it and end up posting bullish articles, which further boosts the price. The same happens on a bear market - negative news are more common, because they are more in tune with the dropping price.