Topic: How to sell yourserlf to potential advertisers | sales pitches included (Read 885 times)

For the broad and detailed answers you usually give, you haven't gone into much detail. In my post that you quote I had understood that you sent PMs to Royse777 so that he would hire you and the other thing he says is that you also boasted of your achievements.

It would be nice if you could specify if it is one thing, or both, and why. For example, maybe you didn't send those PMs to Royse777 but then you would have sent them to another manager and the other manager forwarded them to him?

Or maybe in your pitch you don't consider that there is boasting but a way to present your bitcointalk journey in a way that you understand could be appetizing for potential recruiters.

You are incorrect.

That wasn't hard, was it? After all we are on a newbies board, they need to learn from the grown ups, now be the better man and let bygones be bygones, water under the bridge. This move seems a great lesson for newbies to learn. This is the way of life we should promote around here.

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Now just kiss and get on with it, chop chop. 😉

I should have ask for the permission and since you want an apology from me. May I have one and let it go?
Let me know.

Agreed, we should let these pitty shenanigans slide, but that last statement about provoking, man my man, such a great advice for newbies and future legendaries, do not provoke reputable members, or deranged trolls unnecessarily, sometimes it's good if you practice what you preach. 😉

Another suggestion on how to sell yourself successfully:

Do not wear an avatar of an alligator looking at your post counts and dreaming about coins, that is just embarrassing. Lol. 

Just for clarity sake, first of all when I noticed the subject title of the thread I thought it would be nothing more than a sales pitch for a campaign manager because he will be searching for more businesses after he loses out when the mixer ban is placed. I expected he will not do much else except brag about his so-called exploits for various brands including yet another massive misstep by defining Sinbad as a successful brand but it turns out Royse777 is doing something else.

Instead of bragging about his so-called campaign manager exploits it seems that this thread has been created with specific intent to cause friction. All of the drama contained within this thread was unnecessary yet Royse777 decided to deliberately provoke two respected forum members (icopress and GazetaBitcoin) when there was no need.

This is what I was saying as well. It is not because people cannot do all those things Royes777 but for the fear of others made them to be silent. And that is why some people are posting in a silent way. And one thing again, even though you didn't publish your achievements in the public and only good or quality writings is enough to market yourself. In a good norm, your performance in the forum make you to be known and make you popular. If you are writing qualitatively, managers will just detect you and pm you, and if you are quality posters you don't have to pm a manager to be hired. Just do your things on a free mins and move on. The fear of the unknown is making people to restrict some kind things they would have done. Because when something happened to one or two persons then other became cautious and conscious about. Here in the forum we have seen accounts are tagged because of their inputs on matters which probably higher than their ranks and they talked well and for that they were accused of alt and tagged. And for the fear of all that people restrict themselves from many discussion.

Marketing oneself  is good but not everybody see things the way others see it. Many see it from different perspective so if anyone wants to market themselves, they have to look into the output of the future before taking such decision. It is not bad to market yourself but people say, "hmmm", "as if he is good". And with that, "one man downfall is another man happiness". We have seen what happened to someone in the forum recently. So doing things in a low key is one of the best.

That's a very detailed post. Incredible. You are really a businessman. A person like that can be successful anywhere in the world, not only in this forum. With a mindset like that, you can open up a youtube channel, show people how you slice potatoes and still be successful.

I never really liked the idea of using this forum to make business deals especially because I have a business already which keeps me busy all day everyday... (sig camp is just a side income to pay some bills for me)

As you said, owning a business takes everything to another level which wage workers will never know unless they try the same thing.

You talked about "lending money". While it has the risks you explained, there is another one: "usury" (asking too much interest) -which is a crime in many countries and may get you in big trouble. I saw a thread where USDT lending rate was more than 50% annually. This is pretty risky from all sides. It is unlicensed banking in some way.

I had previously taken this message from the other thread as sarcastic or something, but I see that you mean it, and I don't quite see the point of it, because on the one hand no one in the campaign has complained about it, and on the other hand, if I had the funds I would be very careful to move them even if it was to make a single transaction for you. I would have probably looked for legal advice, but it wouldn't have taken me long to find it, I think two weeks maximum, but maybe Royse777 is not in the same situation and it will take him longer to find it.

On the other hand, if the one who is questioning my having the funds is someone you yourself qualify as " trolls who publish delusional assumptions" I wouldn't worry in the slightest, but you have forgotten Gazeta, who I'm sure you don't qualify as a troll.


With this I agree and what is emphasized in bold seems to me to be key.

Did I give permission to publish my PMs? (even though these PMs are about 1.5 years old).

Btw, I understand what you are getting at and why you published my PMs, but you will not be able to mislead the forum users because, unlike you, I did not send letters of proposals to any project if any of them had an active signature campaign.

In addition, considering that these PMs are “very old”, and that I am aware of who I sent such PMs to, I am convinced that you have access not only to your account, but also to the accounts of your clients. Therefore, with this gesture you only showed that any private correspondence with you or with your clients cannot be confidential.

I suggest you apologize for the slander, and for the fact that you published my PMs without permission and let it go. Moreover, to actually show my intentions, I also made a proposal that will allow you to get rid of the trolls who publish delusional assumptions about your misappropriation of Sinbad campaign funds.

Great write up!

But where does the line start and stop when it comes to unsolicited private messages as this could get one banned under the guise of "PM Ad Spam " , and I dont think several managers here would appreciate receiving such kind of  messages from everyone of which many explicitly state don't apply via PM... btw this shows a user wants special treatment and should this be the roadmap everyone needs to take going forward ??

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Btw this section is one interesting one , no offense:
"What I can tell you about me is the following:" I think for some campaigns what you have to say under here can get you a sig slot probably for certain campaigns that require onboarding technical users and land you a custom deal , but for services such as gambling can technical  users that don't gamble get such a gig i don't think so..because if I was a CM I dont think such a user would really be the perfect fit for such a job...just my 2cents...

This is more than just what you see, you have to know the reason why the OP gave all those sample scripts (which apparently weren't censored at all). This script should not come out of their privacy space.

@Royse777, if I get banned know it was your fault, because I'm going to compile a list of all of my achievements and put it on one of your scripts just to pass it on as my resume on every possible occasion I can find. (Publicly, not via PM). For transparency. 😉

There is a lot of good juice to be extracted from this very lengthy text. I am not interested in the squabble between some members that is being suggested in the comments section. like the idea of selling yourself and I have thoughts about how I can do that. I think for now the best step is to simply do what these top posters or recruitable members of the forum do. This is saying that success is replicable so it will be a bad idea  notto replicate their success.

How can these things not come to you naturally? I mean I have at least 4 more effective methods to reach the top, get into DT, campaigns etc, here is the tip, copy whatever active DTs do, you will succeed, I mean, this is a reasonable trade off, have you seen hippos? how they get their teeth and skin cleaned? That's what they are, those little birdies cleaning the hippo and earn their food by doing so. You could rarely see the birdies attack each other and when you see it, you should grab as much popcorn as you can. Lol

If you were to sell this guideline to bitcointalk users with a price of $100/copy, I'm sure you would be able to sell at least 100 copies. I purchased less valuable guidelines on internet, from which I couldn't even make money at all lol.

This is True but let be Frank are you sure this would really be the script because here all I see is how excellent Icopress and GazetaBitcoin are :
Icopress is among the most excellent campaign managers adding his resume makes it more helpful guide because both Royse777 and Icopress started from somewhere but see how far they both have gone as a campaign manager here it been wonderful and gaining insight from both is wonderful.
About the GazetaBitcoin, why would he be pick here, all of can say it is because it is Gazeta, like how many would have been able to write such an excellent resume like this I guess he is the best for the guide.

@Royse777 thanks for this God bless you, this is really an excellent guide especially to those thinking of becoming a campaign manager but we all see that a great fame and Trust here on btt comes when you contributes continously to growth and orderliness of the Forum, I will try to contribute more significantly now though and also continue in my learning of the technical aspect of bitcoin

Royse777 it is wrong for you to bring a private chats to the public and that shows that you can't be a good counsellor to counsel someone who needs advise from you in PM. And some of this forum members will not have confidence in you with their PMs. You can only publish PMs in an obvious cases but this not one. You make as if they were begging you to hire them. Though everyone sees such from different angles and my point of view on this publication of chats is wrong. This will create fear for some users to pm you because their thoughts now, you will publish their PMs and they might not like that and with that you have loss a confidence from those users. Well the "text is rich" though most of the things have been discussed in various threads. This thread gives strength to the weak ones and also to unskillful writers.  Your examples made the thread longer.

BY the way the thread is educative and informative and it gives inside of one's inability to be hired, so with this text those will be edify to do well. As your said in most time, or time without number, average posters are not qualify for you to be hired and by seeing this they will improve on their writing. And ways which one can be hired in the forum has been discussed in many thread both in the local boards or sections. And it is good for your reminder. Royse777 one thing you have to know is that everyone does not have equal knowledge and that is where the popular phrasal verb comes to play, "knowledge is differ" and that is why one thread can produce different view points. I like your thread but there are somethings you wouldn't mentioned for trust and confidentiality. though those you mentioned might not have anything to do or say about it but others have taken them under cognizant. Thanks for your information.

For a normal user on the forum, it can actually be easy to create some topics and also share their valuable ideas on other topics and earn some merits to rank up, but in order to be of great influence on the forum, it takes more than just randomly earning merits to rank up, and you have actually shared a very great idea on how one can become relevant in the forum or make a living.

I think becoming a campaign manager is good, and I have greatly admired it, but I just think it's not very easy to archive. For someone to archive it and win his or her first project, it's going to take a lot of dedication, and for someone who has an established business outside the forum, it will be difficult for such a person because of the divided attention.

Anyway, I thank you for sharing this idea, Sir Royse777. Growth is continuous, and for one to keep growing, the person has to keep learning and also improving themselves.

You have made a quite impresive points with numerous examples and detail explanation, I applaud you for that. I know making this post took you time to explain and you deserve respect for that. But In all you have said the once I bold above is the one I see as a harsh decision or sees it a wrong way of becoming reputable. I don't think sabotaging people or reporting them is a good way to grow in rank. Because these might creat a wrong impression for the newbies or some people. If there should be need for such it should have been an appointment not for random people.

Many people who rearly make meaningful contribution always feel so Inferior or sees other people that grow so fast as if they do magic. But not knowing it's there effort that made them what they are. People who envy the rapid growth of other members took it upon themselves to monitor a slight mistake of someone and bring the downfall of such person. And they become happy for that. And it will need to people watching each other's mistakes instead of making quality post and meaningful contributions.

Thats a great suggestion mate. I think its kinda hard to do but if someone literally interested on doing I think I can. Royse you are a proof of that and other campaign managers. Wish you luck the best, i think everyone in the green family miss you already.

Before I didnt see my campaign handled by you but now I think you almost have the same volume like any other prominent campaign managers. Congrats and continue your journey.

It is the longest thread that I have ever read on the forum but it is among those threads that I would always recommend to anyone who want to learn something good and want to introduce themselves to advertisers. Royse, without any doubt you have earned the respect of the community due to your contribution and I highly admire you for being honest and to the point type of a person. You're the first manager who's sharing such topic with the members of the forum and you deserve some respect for it. It's not an easy task to share the knowledge that's allowing you to earn your bread & butter but I and few other members like me know that someone like you would do anything to help the community and it's one of those contributions. Although, you could earn money yourself and would not share the knowledge with others but you are not someone who's earning for himself only and this thread is great example to know that.

I know that in this thread we will have some members who may oppose you or may want to say something like you have made this post to get attention, to show off that how generous you are or to show off how smart you are, but I would say ignore those members as they really don't have anything good to say other than opposing the ones who try to help the community. It's a great piece of knowledge for all those members who want to expand their services, who want to earn money by helping the advertisers. It shows the members that how to earn some extra money in the legit way possible while being part of a crypto-world. I have never found such intense topics like this on the forum and I believe it's something unique that I'm reading on the forum.

This topic has taught me a lot in terms of understanding the power of advertising on this forum. It's a blue-print for all those members who want to earn money by being active on this amazing forum and by sharing their knowledge in the form of posts. It also show us some ways that we can learn to help the community and advertisers by offering our services which would help the advertisers, the community, and ourselves. It's a great service to the community because when new platforms want to advertise their services on this forum the community also gets some benefits and earn some extra income by advertising the services of the advertisers. It's a win-win situation for everyone and it should continue to get better as it would not only help the brands but the community.

Some people say that it's not a good thing to be a part of a signature campaign or they say that the members who apply the signature codes on their profiles only post to earn some money, but they never say a word about the ways they are earning money from the signatures and other stuff. If someone is legitimately earning their bread & butter by making good posts on this forum or by contributing some stuff on the forum then allow them to do so. Those members are not stealing, robbing, or doing something that could harm a society or a community, but they are trying their best to do something that can help others and for that help if they are getting some rewards then it's a good thing I guess.

I'm pretty sure that after reading this thread many people will understand that how the proposal thing works and how it can be helpful to get you into the campaigns. The managers, and the brands who are doing business on this forum will always give priority to those members who spend time on this forum and who make good posts that are helpful for the community. The brands want good exposure on this forum and they can get that exposure only via the profiles of those members who are active and who make good and informative posts on the forum. The established members who have been active on the forum can easily get the attention of the brands because campaign managers know those members and they would accept those members into campaigns to help the brands to get the exposure and earn their share by managing the campaigns for the brands.

I can be a tiring task for those members to get into campaigns who haven't been active or who aren't as popular as the established members of the forum. I used the word "established" for those members who are known for their contribution to the community and people know them by their usernames. A new member or someone who hasn't been active on the forum as those established members may need to work on himself/herself to show the community that they can also be helpful for the community and they can share some good stuff to help others. For those members it would be a great opportunity to get into campaigns to start earning some money and I would say that Royse is the one of those managers who also support the less established members and due to his support many such members are improving themselves and at the same time they are improving the way they make posts.

This thread is one of those posts that will allow the non-established members to get into the campaigns if they are active and at the same time they are trying to help themselves and the community. I hope that the community would take this thread in the positive way and learn something from it. I would highly recommend this thread to all those members who want to learn something that would help them advertise themselves to the advertisers. I think it would be great to see a few more threads like this from Royse and other managers because it would help all those members who want to start their business as a manager. Thank you Royse for making this thread!

Well, well, well. So when GazetaBitcoin listed a number of reasons yesterday why he wasn't conciliatory towards Royse777 he missed the most important one, because in all of what he listed there was no personal involvement. And as I read between the lines here, GazetaBitcoin sent several PMs to Royse777 to be hired for signature campaigns and Royse777 did not hire him.

Apart from that, he accused Royse777 of boasting and he was also boasting in PMs.

If I am incorrect, I ask either of both to correct me.

In the meantime I'll continue around here with my popcorn.

Royse777, honestly you have done great. There's an African adage that says "No man shows his fellow man the track and position to kill mgbada. Mgbada is an animal and/or group of animals of same specie that moves in track. They can be 20 in number, so for you to be able to kill one or more of them, all you need to know is the track they move and you ambush them. History has it that people will always direct others to the fake track or rather remain mute about it. But every evening you see them coming home with 5 to 10 Mgbada.

Royse777, within the space of one year, you have grown reasonably in the management business even amidst some challenges. Coming public to announce the strategies you adopted makes me confirm you as a good human being. Congratulations and keep moving higher.

I can see you have included a few resumes in there, however as long as there are no wrong doings involved in creating the reputation here, I see nothing wrong sending the resume to people, as long as there is no scam involved, they have done nothing wrong by sending their resumes.

Some suggestions to add maybe?
If you want to act as escrow, make sure people know your identity, otherwise nobody should trust any anonymous escrow for amounts above $500, I'm being generous here by saying $500.

If you want to be successful, don't cheat by faking contribution, gaining fake trust, kissing rings for the wrong reasons, earn undeserved merits, just to earn a few grands per year, one day you'll have to answer for all the sins.

Earn the trust and merits the right way, by doing honest contribution, then you'll have no issues, what matters is that God sees it all.

But at the end, what can they get if they cheat their way up? Well, they can bully a few people and nobody would question them, they can earn a few grands per year, but instead they are spending their life doing the hard work and keep the forum in balance, in a sense, if you report a lot, find cheaters, tag the scammers etc, you will have a position on top and can earn a living.

The problem is, you could at the same time be dangerous if not kept in check, because you could scam or try to scam/blackmail for millions, as we have seen it in the past, so being on DT should not go unchecked by higher ups.

No doubt this is very important and informative, but one finds good through one another and one cannot go very far by trying alone. I learned many things from your writing that I may not have known before, or even if I knew a little, I may not have paid much attention to them.


Impossible for me to forget you for several reasons, Earlier you gave me the opportunity to signature work with you which was very important for me. I was lucky enough to be able to celebrate my daughter's first birthday while working with you. At that time I was very worried and I thought that I might not be able to celebrate my daughter's first birthday. But finally, I can completed it with the special prayer of Allah. And then say economic source only without signature. There was nothing else. I will remember these events as memorable events in my life.

I pray that Allah will help you more, whatever you want...



You have mentioned some things which if properly applied by one can bring a lot of change in one's life. Many people are doing it very easily. So very difficult for some. But your advice is much more effective in the present scenario. I don't want to say anything separately because everything here is very important.

Cheers,

Well after JJG and then Gazeta with his thread on Ratimov, this post is among the longest I've read on Bitcointalk.


Yes, I don't quite understand why it's here. I mean, it can be in this section because it actually contains useful tips but the subtle part about icopress and GazetaBitcoin I don't quite understand why it's here.

It would make sense that for the discussion with them at least that part would be in the Reputation section.

I don't know how it helps newbies, people who have things to tell about themselves -good stats and good feedbacks- already know all that. The difficulty with members who ask how to "make a living from the forum" is that they have nothing to offer or sell, otherwise, this question wouldn't exists itself no?
Similarly, advice on how to become a campaign manager, ok I understand your point, but apart from templates there isn't much, and beginners won't have anything to put in their message to sell themselves...

Royse, you helped me get into my first campaigns when I was a Full Member, as the feedback I've given you says, I know you're someone who's always kept his word and I'm grateful to you for a lot of things. But, with all due respect, I get the impression that this post is more a derivated way of drawing attention to members with whom you disagree than actually helping newbies earn their bread here, don't you think? I think about it when remembering the message quoted below:


I mean, is this topic a subtle way to bring attention on icopress and GazetaBitcoin publishing some of their PMs?  

There are many ways to make a living from Bitcointalk forum. Over 3.5 Million to 4.0 Million visit per month, a huge audience. Crypto projects are looking for these hot leads and it opens a wide door for you because fortunately you are a part of the crowd. There are many like me who are making a good living from ecosystem. Unfortunately many members do not realize the big picture, and they miss out the opportunity. Obviously there are many others who do not care about the money at all because for them this space is to have fun and help bitcoin to grow. Many of these are early bitcoin holders and now they are enjoying their fortune. But the rest of us need a business or a job for living.

Here are some already established ideas for you to earn a living from the community:
- Signature campaign
- Campaign management
- Launch your own crypto project
- Lending service
- Escrow service
You can invent your own ideas. Sky is limitless.

Lending service and Escrow service are not going to make you rich. In fact with a Lending service you are at risk to lose your hard earned money. I experienced it once and I know a few members who also lost money in this business. I do not recommend a Lending service to anyone but if you are a well established member then you can have your own escrow service. Slow business but it will bring you some pocket money once in a while.

But this thread is not about pocket money, this thread is to help you realizing that you have the real opportunities and you are missing it. You will live a high living, yearly $100k or more is not impossible. I know it because I earn it. Reading here will help you to realize and have a strong believe if you are in doubt. I have no reason to hide anything, that can help someone else. You can not take any of the money that I earn, you can not take away the experience and the knowledge from me. I deserved what I earn. Hard work and having a goal pays very well. If you can apply some of what I do, in your own way (be creative not a copy-paste person) then I believe you will be able to make a change in your living.

The best of all is to have your own crypto project. Ethereum founder and many more built their big business from this community. However, for that you will need to be highly skilled, a great visionary, like Satoshi (Vitalik Buterin extended the idea in his own way). Even if you are not a visionary but have a huge amount of wealth then you can launch a casino, a mixer, be a owner of an exchange, and many other business, it can be a physical product too. Launch the business, assemble a team, hire a good campaign manager, advertise on the forum, advertise in other place to bring traffic to your website, your business will grow. We saw mixers: Chipmixer, Sinbad; gambling platforms: Stake, Sportsbet.io; exchanges: Kucoin, Best_Change. There are countless examples we already have.

But for an ordinary person like many of us who are not great visionary, and don't have huge amount of wealth - for us campaign management or even joining in a signature campaign can earn a good living IF we are doing things correctly.

This topic is for ordinary persons like us. So let's focus on how an ordinary person can earn a very good living from this platform.
1. Joining Signature Campaigns
2. Become a campaign manager.


How to sell your signature space

Let's start with the common thinking of the forum members when it is about joining in a signature campaign. You think if you can become a legendary member then you can earn high income (may be $100, $150 or even $250 per week). You see many Legendary members are doing it and you think if they get paid such high payment ($1,000 monthly) then once you will become a Legendary you will have the same income. You are wrong. There are many Legendary members who struggle to have a spot in signature campaigns. They goes from one manager to another, beg for a spot. Manager response them: We/I will see what we can do. But you never receive a message from the managers inviting you in their campaigns. However, there are some other type of Legendary members even Hero/Sr. Members - they are always wanted in managers' campaigns. Managers always keep them in their contact list. Build good relationships with them so that they can easily have the member in their signature campaigns. They do whatever it takes to make them happy. They race with each other with their offers: A offers $200/w, then B offers $250/w with additional benefits that ordinary forum members can never dream about.

Which types of member you are?
You run after the managers or managers are looking you?
(To be clear, I do not see anything wrong when manager approaches the members and members are approaching to managers. But when you are approaching to managers or a the brand owners, be sure that you have built a strong position in the community and you are valuable to the community, your posts are worthy to read, your ideas, solutions are affective for others. You can fake it if you are not the person in real but you can always be a good character. After all it's a forum where nobody knows you, your writing represents you).

So, how to become a highly valuable Bitcointalk member?
You want to be a wanted bitcointalk member for the managers, you want to receive exclusive offers constantly to enjoy your position. You can even approach by your own to brand owners. But first you need to work hard. You need to show that you are a community person. Build a good strong reputation. Do things that will separate you from others.

I will share two ideas to become a valuable members:
1. Your goal is to earn merit and be in the DT system: Towards this road you need to start creating contents like scam accusations, scam busting, alt finding, spam reporting and many more aggressive volunteer contribution. Don't forget to show off everything that you do, if needed, make a list of the things you did, keep everything in one place. Once you have a basic ground then you need to join some gangs or clubs. Build a trust list that supports the gangs. Share common interest whenever you have a chance with them. Keep good relationship with the gang members, don't limit yourself in the gangs always. There are many members who are not part of any gang but individually they earned so much respects that everyone admire them. Share the same views that they like, they want to hear from you. As the result, you will find a lot of highly influential members in your side if you can do things properly. Regularly exchange PMs with them, seek help whenever you need, ask shelter when you are in a situation that an anti-gang is attacking you or specific individuals who are too powerful than you and you can not handle them alone. Don't try to be a hero by your own. Continue, be patient - merit will come, your DT strength will increase, your feedback page will start becoming green and greener even without having any real trade history.

2. Your goal is truly to contribute:
You are in this community because you love Bitcoin and you truly want everyone to understand Bitcoin, understand the benefit of decentralized currency system. You help people when they need information, you create highly valuable contents that are educational, people learn new things from you. They apply it in their own life and benefit from it. You do not care about merit, DT power, rank, becoming a merit source and everything else. But because of your exclusive knowledge, high intellectual character - merit, trust, rank and everything else including money became an easy coming for you.

You pick which road is for you but in any case please don't scam, don't troll. Don't think you are going to oversmart everyone if you do anything wrong or planning to make a wrong step. Eventually you will be exposed and will have a bad end. There are many examples in the community who had big accounts but one mistake even a small one destroyed everything.

Now that you proved your value, worked hard - you are one of the wanted forum member for managers. Managers will find you or in cases you are ready to expose yourself to the potential brand owners. Manages will offer you to join their campaigns. You can even reach out to managers for custom deals. But in this case you need a good pitch so that you can sell yourself and show that you are worthy for the managers or the project owners. We will study such a few sales pitches now and will try to learn from real life examples.

Sample sales pitch (don't copy paste but understand the idea and take notes that you need, then create one for yourself):


Since you already sent one a few months ago, you don't need to be more detailed in this one.

A follow up message can be like below if you receive a reply by any chance.

There are many other tasks that I have implemented within the framework of the forum, but the work done is best reflected in the feedback left to me. I will be happy to answer your questions and explain the model of how I see the sig campaign.
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