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Topic: How to spend smerits? (Read 507 times)

staff
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The Naija & BSFL Sherrif 📛
November 17, 2021, 08:39:43 AM
#54
~snip~
As a standard practice smerits should be given to those posts which are informative, knowledge enhancing and helping new members on Bitcointalk forum but  sometimes  I also give smerit to Rank up junior members after ensuring their posts are good enough. I am not sure but I think maximum limit of sending sMerit is 50 and only merit Source can do it. I personnel give my don't keep more than 4 s merits and try to spend them quickly.
I'd want to respond to the bolded portion of your statement; you don't have to be a merit source to send 50 merits at once; any user can do so as long as they have that many merits to send out. There are no requirements in terms of merit, but you can only send what you have.

And you don't have to keep/store smerits; they don't add anything to your account, so why bother? There are thousands of people who needs merits; go ahead and give them to them; sharing merit is more precious than storing..
copper member
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Merit: 698
Eloncoin.org - Mars, here we come!
November 17, 2021, 07:40:31 AM
#53
I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality

As a standard practice smerits should be given to those posts which are informative, knowledge enhancing and helping new members on Bitcointalk forum but  sometimes  I also give smerit to Rank up junior members after ensuring their posts are good enough. I am not sure but I think maximum limit of sending sMerit is 50 and only merit Source can do it. I personally  spend my smerit quickly & don't keep more than 4 smerits.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
November 17, 2021, 07:21:12 AM
#52
I have additional questions about this if you are a Merit source  how many sMerit you have.
I've seen reports as low as 10 for some Merit sources, and I know at least one source must have been around 2000 per month. Many of the "recently" added new sources get 1000.

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Is it given by months or by week?
After the initial lump sum, each spent source sMerit comes back exactly (probably up to the second) 30 days later.

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If you are merit source and you Hodl your sMerit is it possible that it reach 1k or more sMerit?
The source Merit won't be more than the initial amount. The faster you send them, the more you can spend in total.
sr. member
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Hhampuz is the best manager
November 17, 2021, 07:07:30 AM
#51
Note: The said limit is per sender/receiver in a 30 day window. One can however send hundreds of sMerits on the same date to different accounts if he wishes to (and has enough available).

I have additional questions about this if you are a Merit source  how many sMerit you have.
Is it given by months or by week?
If you are merit source and you Hodl your sMerit is it possible that it reach 1k or more sMerit?
legendary
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There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
November 17, 2021, 06:47:07 AM
#50
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You can only send 50 sMerits to a specific account per 30 days, down to the minute (see edited note here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58422763). You can reach this limit in 1 50 sMerit TX, 50 1 sMerit TXs, or any combination in between. The programming makes sure that you cannot surpass 50 sMerits/30 days/account restriction, and if you try, it will tell you that you can only send x merits to that person (up to the amount that would aggregate to those said 50 sMerits).

Since the rule is programmed into the system, you cannot surpass the limit, neither from the forum interface, nor back-office put based meriting fancies that some people use … unless you are the Admin, and may exceptionally bypass the rule, as seen in two occasions on the above list (i.e. the two entries on the list, each with 2 TX on the same date just minutes apart, from the same person to the same person, awarding 57 and 62 sMerits respectively on the same day).

Note: The said limit is per sender/receiver in a 30 day window. One can however send hundreds of sMerits on the same date to different accounts if he wishes to (and has enough available).
legendary
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Merit: 1024
Hello Leo! You can still win.
November 17, 2021, 06:25:29 AM
#49
The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. <…>
I presume you mean per sender and per receiving post/receiver. I make it 45 cases above 50 Merits, which logically (*) would require the sMerit TXs in these cases to have been made at least 30 days apart, in order to surpass the 50 sMerit limit per :

Well done for the table below. It shows that maybe nothing is impossible in the forum.
I am finding it a bit difficult to understand this statement of yours
The quality of a post is at the discretion of the merit giver.
The assumption is that someone who's posts are good enough to earn Merit is also able to judge other posts. And from what I've seen that works in most cases.
Yes, the assumption works and it's a correct assumption.
legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 10758
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
November 17, 2021, 05:09:45 AM
#48
The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. <…>
I presume you mean per sender and per receiving post/receiver. I make it 45 cases above 50 Merits, which logically (*) would require the sMerit TXs in these cases to have been made at least 30 days apart, in order to surpass the 50 sMerit limit per :
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Note: nDaysDiff = nDays between min and max TXs by date.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
November 17, 2021, 03:56:44 AM
#47
The quality of a post is at the discretion of the merit giver.
The assumption is that someone who's posts are good enough to earn Merit is also able to judge other posts. And from what I've seen that works in most cases.

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I think it depends on ~ the amount of merits being expected by the user
As a Merit source, this isn't on my list.

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The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits.
I've seen 100 Merit too, just not at once.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1024
Hello Leo! You can still win.
November 16, 2021, 04:21:43 PM
#46
There are no much cast on stone rules as regards the merit system apart from do not merit your alt or involve in merit selling

Issue smerits to posts that deserve it, yet there is no official yardstick to measure a quality post. The quality of a post is at the discretion of the merit giver. Maybe a post will be quality to you if it answers an important question that helped you or others.
A post can be quality if it reaches something new or teaches old things in a new way.
Then, the right practice is that you don't look at ranks before issuing merits. You rather look at the posts.
But I think there are some exceptions.
1. Some people prefer giving lower ranked users merits because they need growth than Legendary members who are already grown. This school of taught is pioneered by few people (especially Legendary ranks and merit sources)
2. Some lower ranked members should be mindful of distributing merits among thier fellow lower-ranked members, else you would be linked as alts. This is an unsaid impediment in the merit system.

I think the merit system is even more beneficial to the sanity of the forum than to individuals.
Finally; as per the number of merits issuable per post. I think it depends on the level of quality a post is, the amount of smerits that will remain for the sender and the amount of merits being expected by the user (for merit sources). The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. But it is no longer rampant these days, maybe it is because the number of good posters have reduced or the number of generous meriters have reduced.
sr. member
Activity: 1064
Merit: 343
Hhampuz is the best manager
November 15, 2021, 07:25:50 AM
#45
, but this doesn't mean that the quality of posts has increased.

Yes your right Only few members post a new thread with quality, as I noticed earlier  some threads above  already tackled few years ago some member's choose to revise the topic instead for bumping up. Including me some of my post Has already tackled Last year and I revise the Thread.
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1824
November 15, 2021, 06:52:18 AM
#44
LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. I know years ago before merit system all users needed to rank up was activity. All I have read talks about merit introduced to reduce shit posting. Shitposts do not get any merit so the shit posters are discouraged and leave the forum
it is not just to discourage shit posters, it is also to encourage current members at the time and new members after the merit was implemented to put effort on what they post in order to get merit if they want to increase their rank. I can only imagine what the forum would be like if theymos didn't introduce the merit system and other restrictions.

In fact, I think that with the introduction of merits, the admins wanted to motivate the forum members to work harder and write better quality posts.
Of course, it is difficult to say how much the admins really succeeded in that.
Somehow it seems to me that in the meantime, merits have become important solely because of the ability to participate in better paid signature campaigns  Grin
In fact, it can be said that this forum is also active due to the large number of participants in signature campaigns, who have the obligation to write on the forum, but this doesn't mean that the quality of posts has increased.
full member
Activity: 616
Merit: 161
November 14, 2021, 05:22:37 PM
#43
Even tho Hero members might not need the merits given out to them, if something they posted has helped you in any way, merit is more a sign of appreciation than anything else. The bottom line is, if you have found something that helped you in any way, show your appreciation by giving out a merrit. Or, give out a merrit if it was not something that you needed or that helped you, but you see it being helpful to others.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
Farewell, Leo. You will be missed!
November 14, 2021, 02:14:02 PM
#42
But why? Is this under the assumption that sMerit is scarce? I may be biased being a Merit source, but if scarcity would be a problem, theymos can easily increase the total supply. I don't consider sMerit scarce, so if the post deserves it, I don't mind if it doesn't trickle down from there.
Not scarce but they are limited. Even if your supply of 850 merits is a significant one, it's still a limit. If you wanted to spend 1000 source merits, you couldn't. I am not bringing your sMerits into equation here.

I look at merits as a token of appreciation, a sign that you created or made something that other people like. I like being on the receiving end of that appreciation, and I want others to experience the same. It's a team effort. Everyone should chip in. At least that's the way I see it. If I have the decency to merit you, I want you to reciprocate in the same way towards others. If you don't want to do that, it's your call. We can still talk, exchange ideas, agree or disagree, even do business together. I don't have a problem with you, but you don't want to play with this team and, so I would rather pass the ball to someone else who does. I am sure you understand that this reply does not apply to you personally. I am just saying "you" because it's easier.

LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up.
It's not a method of punishing genuine members, but a necessary step that was required to stop account farming, account sales, ranking up based on activity and low-quality posts, etc. History has shown that many members have reached high ranks starting from Newbie even with the merit system around. So it works despite the criticism.
sr. member
Activity: 2380
Merit: 251
Eloncoin.org - Mars, here we come!
November 14, 2021, 02:03:17 PM
#41
Simply merit a post or a reply which actually deserved to be merited in your opinion, it can be constructive or informational or guide or solution to a problem or even single word so it really depends on every users. So spend your sMerits wisely and it will be better to spend for them who actually needs it.
legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 1075
November 14, 2021, 01:58:35 PM
#40
LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. I know years ago before merit system all users needed to rank up was activity. All I have read talks about merit introduced to reduce shit posting. Shitposts do not get any merit so the shit posters are discouraged and leave the forum
it is not just to discourage shit posters, it is also to encourage current members at the time and new members after the merit was implemented to put effort on what they post in order to get merit if they want to increase their rank. I can only imagine what the forum would be like if theymos didn't introduce the merit system and other restrictions.
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 701
November 14, 2021, 12:17:05 PM
#39
Merit isn't meant to make users rank up, it's meant to prevent that. It's a crucial distinction.
LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. I know years ago before merit system all users needed to rank up was activity. All I have read talks about merit introduced to reduce shit posting. Shitposts do not get any merit so the shit posters are discouraged and leave the forum
hero member
Activity: 1400
Merit: 655
Bitcoin is achievement
November 14, 2021, 12:04:25 PM
#38
Actually people give merit to a post according to the gravity of the post on educational standard or inspiration of what your comment is narrating. Post's deserve more than five (5) merit's but it depends on how constructive in meaning and how constructive is the English arrangements the post is all about. So the same is applicable to you op, because you can't exhaust all your Smerit to a particular user in a process that you want to uplift the user.

I think that you can't give more than fifty (50) Smerit a day to a particular person but you can give below fifty (50) Merits, and the gravities of post's now even threads only deserve ten (10) Merits from my own Perspective, because people are not researching again to create inspirational post like before and that's is the reason it's hardly before you can come across a recent post that is been awarded twenty (20) merits at a time from one particular person.
hero member
Activity: 2212
Merit: 786
November 14, 2021, 10:46:47 AM
#37
I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality

Remember that in order to get 1 sMERIT, you must receive 2 merits from users across this forum. Now for my standards, it depends upon the quality of the posts and the value that it brings to the forum as a whole. Since giving merits is a subjective topic, it really depends on the user and to his standards whether he finds a topic which is worth meriting for.

The only limit into sending merits is the amount of sMERITS that you currently have. Well an unofficial rule is that there should be no merit trading where you trade merits with someone in order to indirectly help them rank-up.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 5937
November 14, 2021, 10:44:41 AM
#36

My short answer: If you see a post that you think is good: Merit it Smiley There's no need to overthink it.
+1

That's pretty much my M.O (I am not merit source); when I see a good post I send merit. I don't think about keeping some just in case I stumble upon better post or anything like that. That way I am 99% of the time at 0 merit available (currently I have 1 but before end of the day I will be again at 0) and I help the merit to circulate.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
November 14, 2021, 10:32:38 AM
#35
Legendary members do not look like they need more merit.
It might be true for few legendary member, but all that matters is their post.
Agreed. Merit isn't meant to make users rank up, it's meant to prevent that. It's a crucial distinction.
But if you only have a few sMerit to give, by all means, give them to good posts made by users who can use it to rank up. Merit can help encourage them to continue.

I want to make sure that the merits are not being hoarded
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If a user doesn't merit others, it tells me that he doesn't care about the system and thus should not reap the benefits from it either.
But why? Is this under the assumption that sMerit is scarce? I may be biased being a Merit source, but if scarcity would be a problem, theymos can easily increase the total supply. I don't consider sMerit scarce, so if the post deserves it, I don't mind if it doesn't trickle down from there.

I think it was LoyceV who said somewhere that he has over 1000 sMerits.
Correct, I have just over 1000 sMerit "hoarded" by now. But I've sent 27308 sMerit, so if I would have sent only 5% more, I would be completely empty. My Merit source adds 850 per month, and I've said before that it sometimes feels like a burden: No matter how hard I try, the next day there's a huge pile waiting again.



My short answer: If you see a post that you think is good: Merit it Smiley There's no need to overthink it.
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