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Topic: How to stay away from scam coins (?) (Read 1657 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1000
August 15, 2014, 05:00:54 PM
#22
Make sure you always do your research so you know what youre getting into. Also staying diversified will help protect you against losses.

The way I've been investing I always make sure I never invest more than 10% of my BTC into 1 coin. I currently have a few BTC spread evenly over about a dozen altcoins. My favourites being - XMR, XPM, QRK, LTC, DOGE

cheers and good luck investing  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1090
Merit: 1000
August 15, 2014, 03:06:12 PM
#21
It's pretty easy to stay away from them. Just stay away from them. Don't download or mine them or do anything. Just ignore them. 99% are pure crap.

Easy to say.

People still have the get-rich-quick mentality. They do not care if its a scam as long as it pumps once.

What really amazes me is the people buying into the shitty IPOs. Don't they know its free money for the devs?  Why would devs care if the coin succeeds or not - they already raked in some good btc for themselves?

You have to appreciate the entertainment value of watching bagholders support their coins to the end no matter how scammy they(the coins) are. This is when the real FUD begins.
member
Activity: 65
Merit: 10
August 15, 2014, 01:23:48 PM
#20
It's pretty easy to stay away from them. Just stay away from them. Don't download or mine them or do anything. Just ignore them. 99% are pure crap.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 500
Time is on our side, yes it is!
August 15, 2014, 01:11:49 PM
#19
Great minds think alike they say..  I started a thread not long ago asking the community what questions we should be asking devs of new coins to avoid falling into the same old Pump and Dump traps.  I like the way you went about it and hope that people start adding to this dissussion.  There are some great points I hadn't been doing myself mentioned by roslinpl. 

One thing I think is important is understanding what makes these coins a scam is hype.  Don't invest money unless you understand what the coin has to offer and stay updated on the development of the coin.
newbie
Activity: 8
Merit: 0
August 15, 2014, 12:18:15 PM
#18
SCAM COIN?Huh LIKE ULTRACOIN??
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1199
August 12, 2014, 07:04:47 AM
#17
So far so good - together we did pointed and spotted most important security steps which will help us and others to stay safe.

Thanks to all of you for responses and we are still waiting for some more!

So what is your way of checking the coin? Smiley

I posted a lengthy response to someone asking about a specific coin, I hope you'll excuse me for quoting it in full here but i) I've found that stuff-behind-links tends to stay there and play little part in the discussion, so I've adopted a strategy of transclusion and ii) I'm just a saddo:

Great Analysis!

Viz.

Indeed great Analysis.

Many of the altcoins are just forked - but perhaps if someone just copy other coin and change just literally few lines in the code he is not reliable and his coin wont success. Which is a good thing to know before getting any of those coins.

cheers!

legendary
Activity: 868
Merit: 1058
Creator of Nexus http://nexus.io
August 12, 2014, 05:40:49 AM
#16
So what is your way of checking the coin? Smiley

I posted a lengthy response to someone asking about a specific coin, I hope you'll excuse me for quoting it in full here but i) I've found that stuff-behind-links tends to stay there and play little part in the discussion, so I've adopted a strategy of transclusion and ii) I'm just a saddo:

Great Analysis!

Viz.
legendary
Activity: 3206
Merit: 1069
August 10, 2014, 12:24:27 PM
#15
1) dedicated shit coins rig

2) don't throw btc at them

3) don't mine shit coins for too much, some of them may be worthless
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
August 10, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
#14
You could go with the more popular coins, this forum you can sort by "Replies" and "Views". As here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0;sort=replies;desc
The idea behind this is: if there is no community behind the coin, why would you invest in it?

Yeah but thats the thing, for it to be a community someone has to risk and start getting involved, without that nothing exists. But at this point, im scared to check any new wallets because let's be honest, most people just want to scam other people to get BTC, and god know what shit they can put into a wallet these days. So if you dont get in early to risk getting into a legitimate good coin that explodes and missing an early investors spot, but if you do get in early, you risk getting scammed and robbed.
sr. member
Activity: 518
Merit: 250
August 10, 2014, 11:00:04 AM
#13
You could go with the more popular coins, this forum you can sort by "Replies" and "Views". As here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0;sort=replies;desc
The idea behind this is: if there is no community behind the coin, why would you invest in it?
member
Activity: 69
Merit: 10
August 10, 2014, 10:46:51 AM
#11
Never download any new wallets
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
August 10, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
#10
You could use an old computer exclusively to install wallets onto, and never let a wallet near your newest computer that you use for everything else.

if you do that disable netbios on the machine to be safe.
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 1278
August 10, 2014, 09:06:22 AM
#9
So what is your way of checking the coin? Smiley

I posted a lengthy response to someone asking about a specific coin, I hope you'll excuse me for quoting it in full here but i) I've found that stuff-behind-links tends to stay there and play little part in the discussion, so I've adopted a strategy of transclusion and ii) I'm just a saddo:

gjhiggins, can you tell by the code in the zip if the technology he claims the coin will use actually exists?

There's no evidence of that in the contents of the zip archive. The contents are Godcoin with user-facing strings changed to read “Achilles”, with only the absolutely key parameters changed (rpcport, genesisblock, etc). The only significant functional changes to the codebase are a bigger premine and larger block rewards.

The pastebin listing that I posted contains all the differences between ZenGodcoin source code and ZenAchilles source code.

I found it notable how few differences are actually required to separate one functioning altcoin from another.

If you'd like to take a gander yourself, if only to see what I'm blithering on about, there is a technique which helps. When I put an altcoin under the microscope the first thing I do is use a little Python script I wrote to rebrand the coin as Zencoin (ZENZ). I did this with Godcoin and Achilles, giving me ZenGodcoin and ZenAchilles.

I then compare the two directories and their contents, side-by-side, using a visual diff and merge tool: http://meldmerge.org/. It gives a very clear and accessible visual presentation of differences in directory structure and between files.

What the hey, lets have some piccies ...






Here's a screenshot of ZencoinGodcoin vs ZencoinAchilles:





Meld allows me to double-click the blue-lit names to show the content side-by-side. In a moment, we'll have a look at the differences in base58.h but first I need to draw your attention to the left-and-right vertical navigation scrollers - the coloured blocks show the location of pairs of files that differ. In the directory-level presentation, one coloured block = one filepair. In the above listing, a total of eight (8!) changed files is sufficient to create a functionally distinct altcoin.

There's a similar vertical nav scroller for the file-level presentation and again, coloured bars (a single line differing in content) or coloured blocks (several contiguous lines of code differing). Not too challenging I hope but an illustration should be, er, well, illuminating ...

Here's a screenshot of the one-and-only difference between godcoin/src/base58.h and achilles/src/base58.h:




That's it.

That's the difference which shows up as a blue block in the directory-level display.


Pretty much the same goes for all but a few of the rest of the blue-lit files, e.g. here's a screenshot of the (again, one-and-only) difference between godcoin/src/net.cpp and achilles/src/net.cpp:




I re-ran diff configured to output just the minimum context (filename and line no) for clarity - these are the only differences:
http://pastebin.com/dWht3JRu

And (for eyewatering completeness) files matching the patterns below were excluded from the comparison:
Code:
$ cat notthese
*.qm
*.ts
*.png
*.jpg
*.svg
*.o
*~
*.ico
*.icns

In essence, my workflow runs as follows:
Code:
$ git clone http://github.com/foo/bazcoin.git
$ cd bazcoin
$ rm -rf .git*  # don't need it
$ ln -s bazcoin-qt.pro coin-qt.pro  # allows meld comparison
$ grep 'BTC' src/qt/bitcoinunits.cpp  # what units were actually coded?
$ grep -r BAZZA src/  # ensure no clash with source code
$ ../omm.exe BazCoin BAZZA # use XYZZY to suppress symbol replacement if it'd muck up the source code
$ cd ..
$ meld bazcoin godcoin


If you feel up to it, you can have a go yourself. We've set up a bitbucket repository that you can use:
https://bitbucket.org/minkizmates/zencoin.git

There's a small collection of zenified coins (incl godcoin and achilles) for use when comparing with fresh candidates along with the “omm.exe” Python script to create Zencoins:
https://bitbucket.org/minkizmates/zencoin/src

meld will usefully show 3 sources side-by-side, viewing recently-launched elitecoin, fusecoin and sumcoin side-by-side is quite instructive in showing how little they differ.


The immediately-prior post notes “once a source code was ONCE reviewed, the people tend to trust it indefinitely” - all too true but a simple application of meld originalwallet newwallet will highlight the changes.


Am I forgiven?

Cheers

Graham

Edit: add response to immediately-previous post rather than make yet another post
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
August 09, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
#8
One point many persons miss all the time is, that once a source code was ONCE reviewed, the people tend to trust it indefinately.

Like V0.1 is trojan free and some people check it and post the results. Now in V0.3 they introduce a wallet stealing trojan, nearly everyone currently running that software will just download the update blindly.

Really really concerning!

PS: I do the same thing Wink
sr. member
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let's make a deal.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
August 09, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
#6
i can't open altcoin wallets through sandboxie  Angry
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
August 09, 2014, 06:11:14 PM
#5
stay with BTC  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1199
August 09, 2014, 05:01:51 PM
#4
http://www.sandboxie.com/

I believe that's what I used around December when we had a lot of dodgy new coins popping up.

Oh this is very good! I forgot to say about virtual machines.

http://www.sandboxie.com/ is very useful tool!

Yes - that's very good point! I will add it to the OP.

And also:
You could use an old computer exclusively to install wallets onto, and never let a wallet near your newest computer that you use for everything else.
Good idea!



hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
August 09, 2014, 04:45:45 PM
#3
http://www.sandboxie.com/

I believe that's what I used around December when we had a lot of dodgy new coins popping up.
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