How to tell if a forum account has been banned?

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Quote from: jambola2 on July 14, 2015, 04:43:11 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on July 13, 2015, 02:05:44 PM

So no response to this...

I think they don't want people tagged as banned because people would ask why they did it. They would prefer the people just looked like they dropped off the face of the earth so they don't have to take responsibility for it. There are ways scammers can leverage this fact as well, which is unfortunately allowed to continue because of this secretive stance.

Well, if privacy had to be protected whilst also protecting the buyer from getting an account with bans, the bans could be visible to the user themselves only.
This means that if someone else logs onto your account, they can see your bans, and this would work if the account seller goes first, or uses an escrow who logs in and checks.
However, it doesn't seem like any actions are going to be taken to further help account sellers. And I don't see any good reason for why the forums should actively assist account sellers. Allowing them to stay is enough.

The last few posts are getting off topic.

There are plenty of reasons legitimate users would want to know why an account was banned. I don't like account sellers either, but this is not about them, this is about everyone else being able to know if an account is actually banned or if the user just went AWOL.

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 23, 2015, 12:24:17 AM

Why can't we just get a notification on the profile for this one already? Some times people fall of the face of the earth, some times they get banned, some times they are fleeing with money, some times they are temp banned for something small like off topic posting and can't correspond with people they are actively involved in trading with and have yet to receive their goods. Putting some kind of notification on the profile would be helpful for the rest of us.

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Quote from: repentance on July 14, 2015, 07:04:52 AM

*snip*
I'm inclined to the same view. Why should the forum change anything in order to protect the parties to what's a pretty scummy activity anyway? The only change I'd support is tagging of accounts which have been sold so that new users are aware the person posting isn't the original account holder (old users probably know anyway, by the change in posting style).

How would the forums tag them? Currently, most account sales occur with a new account listing the account for sale. The account is anonymised by only giving ballpark values for activity and posts.
I don't think the forums should ever tag based on a change in posting style, nor a change of IP address region (possible migration).
The trust system allows users to take this into their own hands, and a false negative trust will be a lot less harmful than a false "sold account" tag.

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Quote from: jambola2 on July 14, 2015, 04:43:11 AM

However, it doesn't seem like any actions are going to be taken to further help account sellers. And I don't see any good reason for why the forums should actively assist account sellers. Allowing them to stay is enough.

I'm inclined to the same view. Why should the forum change anything in order to protect the parties to what's a pretty scummy activity anyway? The only change I'd support is tagging of accounts which have been sold so that new users are aware the person posting isn't the original account holder (old users probably know anyway, by the change in posting style).

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Quote from: TECSHARE on July 13, 2015, 02:05:44 PM

So no response to this...

I think they don't want people tagged as banned because people would ask why they did it. They would prefer the people just looked like they dropped off the face of the earth so they don't have to take responsibility for it. There are ways scammers can leverage this fact as well, which is unfortunately allowed to continue because of this secretive stance.

Well, if privacy had to be protected whilst also protecting the buyer from getting an account with bans, the bans could be visible to the user themselves only.
This means that if someone else logs onto your account, they can see your bans, and this would work if the account seller goes first, or uses an escrow who logs in and checks.
However, it doesn't seem like any actions are going to be taken to further help account sellers. And I don't see any good reason for why the forums should actively assist account sellers. Allowing them to stay is enough.

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So no response to this...

I think they don't want people tagged as banned because people would ask why they did it. They would prefer the people just looked like they dropped off the face of the earth so they don't have to take responsibility for it. There are ways scammers can leverage this fact as well, which is unfortunately allowed to continue because of this secretive stance.

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This was brought up before and nothing was done. Mods weren't in favour of tagging banned accounts. Since this has been brought up again and again, there really is a need for this and it would be useful for members who are in the middle of a deal and the other party didn't reply. We do not need a previously banned counts, a "currently banned" tag will suffice.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 24, 2015, 10:05:24 AM

Quote from: Vortex20000 on June 24, 2015, 09:50:28 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 24, 2015, 08:01:11 AM

Quote from: Vortex20000 on June 24, 2015, 07:59:48 AM

Get an escrow to hold your payment and the account and check if the account is banned before proceeding...?

It's not exactly an answer to your question but it's a viable solution.

That would not work. The escrow has no way to know if the account was banned unless you are using BadBear or theymos as escrow.

Could the escrow not login and check? I've been banned before (THE SECRET'S OUT) and it showed a container telling me I was banned when I logged in, on the homepage. It was a temporary ban.

I think the OP was referring to accounts that were banned in the past.

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

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Quote from: Vortex20000 on June 24, 2015, 09:50:28 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 24, 2015, 08:01:11 AM

Quote from: Vortex20000 on June 24, 2015, 07:59:48 AM

Get an escrow to hold your payment and the account and check if the account is banned before proceeding...?

It's not exactly an answer to your question but it's a viable solution.

That would not work. The escrow has no way to know if the account was banned unless you are using BadBear or theymos as escrow.

Could the escrow not login and check? I've been banned before (THE SECRET'S OUT) and it showed a container telling me I was banned when I logged in, on the homepage. It was a temporary ban.

I think the OP was referring to accounts that were banned in the past.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 24, 2015, 08:01:11 AM

Quote from: Vortex20000 on June 24, 2015, 07:59:48 AM

Get an escrow to hold your payment and the account and check if the account is banned before proceeding...?

It's not exactly an answer to your question but it's a viable solution.

That would not work. The escrow has no way to know if the account was banned unless you are using BadBear or theymos as escrow.

Could the escrow not login and check? I've been banned before (THE SECRET'S OUT) and it showed a container telling me I was banned when I logged in, on the homepage. It was a temporary ban.

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Badbear didn't seem too keen on it last time it was brought up. I'm on the fence. Would be helpfully in some ways and not in others.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 23, 2015, 12:24:17 AM

Why can't we just get a notification on the profile for this one already? Some times people fall of the face of the earth, some times they get banned, some times they are fleeing with money, some times they are temp banned for something small like off topic posting and can't correspond with people they are actively involved in trading with and have yet to receive their goods. Putting some kind of notification on the profile would be helpful for the rest of us.

This is great idea. Als it seems easy to implement. All we need is small info in the profile that said account was banned. Also it would be nice to see how many times account was banned in the past.
I don't know if this idea is against privacy of people or something but change like this is logical imo.

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Quote from: Vortex20000 on June 24, 2015, 07:59:48 AM

Get an escrow to hold your payment and the account and check if the account is banned before proceeding...?

It's not exactly an answer to your question but it's a viable solution.

That would not work. The escrow has no way to know if the account was banned unless you are using BadBear or theymos as escrow.

Vortex20000

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Get an escrow to hold your payment and the account and check if the account is banned before proceeding...?

It's not exactly an answer to your question but it's a viable solution.

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If there is a suspicious 14 day gap in posting, it may be a ban.
Then again, there is no sure way to tell.

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Why can't we just get a notification on the profile for this one already? Some times people fall of the face of the earth, some times they get banned, some times they are fleeing with money, some times they are temp banned for something small like off topic posting and can't correspond with people they are actively involved in trading with and have yet to receive their goods. Putting some kind of notification on the profile would be helpful for the rest of us.

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Quote from: Hexcoin on June 22, 2015, 11:46:57 PM

Quote from: Scream on June 22, 2015, 11:14:20 PM

Forum banned can be accessed , can't reply, can't send a PM and you can actually see the red message at the upper right if your account was banned.

Probably that is the case but op's question if is there a chance to check if an account got banned in the past or not

@op im not really sure but AFAIK you can see it on modlog

Oh, my bad. I misunderstood the question of the OP. I should have read the question better. I don't think account buying/selling would be were it is if there was a way to find this infomation easily. Cheesy

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hee-ho.

I vaguely remember there was a thread like this once. the only accepted answer is there's no way to know for sure whether or not someone got banned previously without asking the admins.

edit:
found it
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11219159

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Quote from: Scream on June 22, 2015, 11:14:20 PM

Forum banned can be accessed , can't reply, can't send a PM and you can actually see the red message at the upper right if your account was banned.

Probably that is the case but op's question if is there a chance to check if an account got banned in the past or not

@op im not really sure but AFAIK you can see it on modlog

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Could you tell if you attempted to send the "banned" account a PM?

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U will never know the true answer, before you try

Forum banned can be accessed , can't reply, can't send a PM and you can actually see the red message at the upper right if your account was banned.

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