Topic: How Was This User Able to Buy 550 Merits At ones? (Read 676 times)

You comparing now that signature campaign is now much to then and I know too well that no one will accept to push out their account with such a low price knowing too well that such account can generate something good, just as you said this can only be tempted to newbies those who are too lazy to build themselves to grow up their accounts.

Wow, this is a piece of information that I didn't know like wow for real? You can delete your posts and all your record will also be removed including the activities? I thought the activity is a permanent mark and that it can't be removed. With the conclusion you've said, that probably meant that this person did technically bought 550 merits by buying an Hero Member account which in a sense that the seller didn't really have to spend 550 merits of their own to fulfill the agreement.

I actually got it wrongly thought I knew is a mistake that was why I wrote back to but is okay.

This best explains what happened. What I don't get is why the need for the lie? Was it to lead anyone on his trail on a wild goose chase, seeing that the thread wasn't an old confession thread of yesteryears.

They did sell that way in the past but that was when account sales wasn't a heinous crime and signature campaigns weren't that much a thing. Anyone quoting those prices now for account sales is not likely to commit to the agreement. Newbies should keep off threads like that.

Some people are not that stupid but they just feel like giving that huge amount of merit without thinking much about it.
I'm not a fan of much words in posting and even reading long posts, sometimes I do but what I'm trying to say is some members thinks the longer the post the more merit they could get and some don't need to type much to even get some merit.
In some cases the longer post do have informative messages but don't have any merit attached to it and the one line post do have merits flocking around it, and you'd ask just these few words? What's the secret? I do ask myself that.
Shit happens bro, and some of us need to upgrade on our post but the question is how?

You're right
I meant to write that it doesn't affect the merit count, not activity count.

When a profile has some certain amount of merits and activities and that profile start deleting their post, the post deleted will reflect back with the current level of the activities. Let say if a profile gained a total number of 1000 post and 1000 activities if 800 posts are being deleted then left with 200 post so it's to the activities, it will decreased to 200 as well then the rank automatically drops to the current merging of the activities left on the profile if is newbie or member activity then profile will return back but yet has gained the required merits.

It's more like purchasing an account instead of merit, is there a seller sell an account by using merit as the price? maybe.

The difference is you're talk about the possibility of a seller, while I answer base on the system.

Yes, I know your real name, your location and your house /s.

My question: how? we don't have any proof except someone is stupid give 50 merits on a bounty post.

There are many low quality posts that receive merits (quality isn't about how long or short the post), when someone wrote at least 2-3 paragraphs even it's only have one point, people will give merit to that post because it's long.

Seriously to be honest with you on this issue (merit buying) I think it should be looked into, because is part of what goes against the Forum rules and regulations if I'm not mistaken, just like the way they take the cases of scam and account farmers, because if these act is allowed to go freely on the Forum to be a normal day to day activities it might rubbish the merit system.
To me I think it should be the way the merit system is other than buying merit, if out of 85% of the members are buying merit and nobody is talking about it, do you think the Forum would be the way it is now? No, it will be messy.
Fine, buying of merit poses no risk like you said but to me I think is not cool and is very harmful to the merit system and to the Forum.
I don't think some low quality posts do have merit unless the merit are being given by this same account farmers to boost the account rank to be sold out.

Do you work for FBI as a day job ?

You are wrong. Maybe.

Look at my wife’s account.

It has 276 merits. She almost never uses it. It is not for sale, but if it was sold you would get 276 merits then maybe she would ask me to send you 50 merits. You would then have purchased 326 merits.

So maybe that happen with the guy bragging or maybe not.

What would be so strange about buying merit?
It's not that looked into because it's harder to track unless you do something stupid like in this example, but that's also the reason why it's being done!

When you buy an aged account you have to deal with its history, you have to adapt your writing style, not forget that your account was speaking German or French at some point, and always with the fear that it might get connected to others the account farmer has grown. Merit buying poses no such risks, with the number of shitposts that earn merit here with stupid topics or just copy-pasting meme and tweets nobody is crazy to investigate it.
I'm pretty sure there are a dozen merit sellers most of them in local forums where it's even harder to look into.



Use Bpip
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Ajpa94

Yes as far as I can remember ninjastic site is ready for this forum in 2020 and since then this site has instant archived every single post but the posts which were deleted earlier are not archived on this site. And that's exactly what happened to Ajpa94, which is why his post information isn't available on ninjastic. But BPIP EXTENSION rightly shows that he has 250 airdrop merit. And it seems this account is now controlled by someone else and he is trying to become a Hero Member by increasing activity by posting only authentication posts and bounty reports.

Ninjastic space does not scrap way back to when the merit system was newly created.

The plausible situation here is the user had enough posts and activity to get the airdrpped merits and deleted their posts soon after that which does not affect their activity count.

Op also mentioned Ajpa94 case on his post that's why i ask this. check the op post history his 193 post has been made in 2023 and his total post shows in ninjastic is 279 (279-193=86)  post has been deleted then how he can get 250 merit by airdrop without 250 post/activity? It looks like ninjastic couldn't properly track this account activities

Just want to add that this person (the merit "buyer") is still here under a different account, am writing this post as a reference for a tag update.


Member KYCGuru is already linked to scammer LegendaryAccss, but they were also using this Telegram (changed it after their other account was caught):

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=wowxinleii

First, the @OP talk about Kda2018 not Ajpa94, so my answer is to Kda2018.

Ajpa94 maybe bought or use his alt accounts to merited Ajpa94's account for 251 merits, the rest (250 merits) were airdropped.

I never said ninjastic's information is wrong, but a scraper has no way to trace back the post from earlier - 2018. Only the merit send and receive are fully recorded, which can be check in BPIP.

This matter is not like simple on the ninjastic you will see Ajpa94 has post total of 279 including deleted post but this account make must of the post in 2023 but this account reached 500+ merit before 2023. then how this is a simple matter and how you understand  he only bought 50 merits? it seems he bought all of his merits.

Would you say ninjastic's information is wrong?

https://ninjastic.space/user/Ajpa94

Buying of account is common per say but this merit buying is something I still can't believe is happening and is like nobody cares about that move instead the account buying is more looked into than the merit buying. If buying of merit can be detected I think whosoever is found guilty of that act should be penalized (talking about merit buying). To me merit earning is what shows how dedicated, serious and hard working you are to yourself and the Forum.



You have no idea how ignorant people can be, things you feel can't happen to you can happen to others without those scammers saying much about it. They can just say the negative feedback they had is because of a little misunderstanding, they can cook up one lame story and someone can still fall for it. I only feel for those who have no idea of what's going on concerning this account.

If buying an account is possible, why it's not possible to buy merit? but I don't think buying merit is still a thing when abusing merit is more possible and currently not result in negative feedback.

You need to read the top two replies, they were give good answers.

The account has 4 negative feedbacks, if someone get scammed by a negative feedback account it means they're stupid.

With what I'm seeing is like my eyes are getting cold every second, I thought it wasn't possible to buy merit but you have to earn it by your hard work.
I don't think this should be encouraged for members to look into the other way of buying merit, I think if this continues nobody would do something to earn merit in the Forum again other than buying it from God knows where.
This account in question might be one of those accounts from account farmers, and I don't know how they do it, growing it and still have to sell it with lots of merit. Before you know it such account will demand for loan to even scam someone.

If what that person saying is true then he most likely bought 550 merits in all where the seller sent the remaining 50 merits to the old account which is registered before the merit system is implemented therefore what that person mean about buying 550 merits is buying an account with 550 merits (500 airdropped and 50 were received). After all, the thread where that buyer posted is a thread about selling accounts.

This is also possible where the two is the same person but it is also possible that the seller sent 50 merits to the account and sent the smerits back to the seller before giving the account to the buyer. The thread is about selling accounts and you can see there's a password change after waking up from being inactive.

Yes you are right that mate he/she was a hero Member before and when we use BPIP all we can see in his profile is that he only received 50, merits in one user but I don't believe that he buy that 50 merits as we can see that he gave back the 25 sMerits he have  so it's like an two accounts are connected and  also to make sure that they will not caught Kd2018 gave his 50 sMerits to Satoshi.
 Here's some screenshots viewed from BPIP..

There is nothing new or technical in that, all the scammer needs to do is to delete the overall posts in the account and since the forum software doesn't limit members on the number of posts that can be deleted, the low-brained scammer will think deleting the total posts and starting from brand new in the account will eliminate previous history,  most of them apply such formulas to hacked accounts that are sold out at some point.
Not knowing that all deleted posts can be brought back using ninjastic.

The answer can be seen here ;

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ajpa94-911155
https://archive.is/dCSHn

We can check his profile, that 500 merits wasn't airdropped, user is accuse of "Explicit merit abuse between Ajpa94, Karodozo, Kda2018" by actmyname

It is only fair to lose these activity points if posts are deleted as the number of posts determines the activity points. There would have been a high incidence of post recycling abuse for signature spammers if there had been no penalties for posts being deleted.

Delete old Posts, recycle. Rinse and repeat

Wow, that's quite surprising (not the merit buying selling or merit abuse but ranks). I knew that when you delete posts, your activity goes down, which is understandable. However, I didn't realize that it could affect your earned rank as well. It's strange how post deletions can have such a significant impact.

So practically it is possible that if a Legendary rank member were to delete their posts, they would suddenly become a Newbie. It does seem a bit counterintuitive, especially if we consider that merits, once earned, are static and can't be decreased. Similarly, I thought ranks are also static, and post deletion can't affect rank.

Anyway thanks for the update, learned something new

I'm pretty sure that these are alt accounts of the same person. The post you are talking about is just a fake vouch for his own service, seen many times so far.
Given that it is a matter of account trading, I believe that the OP has several accounts, probably a certain amount of smerits in addition to some. It is also possible that he sold to one buyer a "larger" quantity of merits, sent from several different accounts.

Son of a bitch.  I've had that whole section (Invites & Accounts) for the longest time, and I thought the days of putting forum accounts up for sale there were over.  I tagged some of those assholes who were apparently kissing the ass of the person selling accounts/merits, but who knows if they were alts.

And these days, who even knows if negative feedback from DT members even deters account sales or lessens the chances of idiot shitposters getting into bounties/campaigns?  There used to be a lot more threads requesting removal of negative feedback, and I used to get tons of PMs regarding that as well.

You already got your answer, OP, but I appreciate you starting this thread and alerting me that the shenanigans continue.  Somebody call an exterminator, PLEASE.

Edit: Yes, I know that thread was from April but that was only a few months ago.  I'm afraid to un-ignore the section and start looking around for fear of what I might find.  Is it safe to venture into, or am I going to get caught up in a tagging spree?

You mean they were de-ranked for being stupid? LMAO. In the case of the one who confessed to buying the 550 merits (500 from the account and 50), Kda2018, he threw the money away if we look at his post history.

Rank depends on merit and activity.
Activity depends on posts.
So, if you delete enough posts, your activity drops and so does the rank irrespective of the merits.

Scammers like this user in question used it to scam newbies.

It is more believable that a newbie account with 4 posts bought 550 merits than an account with over 500 posts and activity. Users that cannot dig deep and see that it was airdropped will believe it and possibly pay for merits too.
It can also be done after a user buys an account and want to delete evidence if the previous owner's posting habits.

- Jay -

Old stuff indeed, and now i got a better picture of the whole situation, that user by the name - legendaryaccess is a scammer, and those accounts commenting those lies on his thread acknowledging doing business with him successfully, are probably his alts, which he is using to comment those lies as testimonies in order to lure unsuspecting victims into patronizing him. The picture is very clear right now. Thanks, everyone for coming through.

And also, I never knew it was possible for a user to get de-ranked if he or she deletes all of his or her posts, just learning about this possibility today and now, how amazing, really wondering what could ever make someone want to delete all their post and get de-ranked from a rank as high as a hero member, maybe to forever bury their evil history.

Anyways, thanks to everyone once again, i perfectly understand now.

Very likely. If we look at the Kda2018’s received sMerit TXs, the sole TX (50 sMerits) was dated 27/05/2018 6:31:02, received from Ajpa94.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/MFY5423B5?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Kda2018 in turn sent out a 25 sMerit TX to Ajpa94 a few minutes later, on the 27/05/2018 6:50:37
https://public.tableau.com/shared/99RWT7RFS?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Both deleted a bunch of posts at some point, leading the accounts to be de-ranked:
-   Kda2018 went from Hero Member to Newbie.
-   Ajpa94 went from Sr. Member to Full Member.

By the way, Ajpa94 also sent 50 sMerits to Katodozo (whom also sent 50 sMerits to Ajpa94), the sole TX received by the latter whom, not surprisingly, also delete posts to go from Sr. Member to Brand New.

Old stuff though.

The said user is a proven account seller, he might have done this to all the other accounts he is selling, the idea is for the buyer to build his account through posts and activity as the account will eventually reach a hero account because of merits and there's a possibility that the majority of the posts that the accounts he is selling are on local boards and to avoid detection of changing of hands through local boards he deleted a big chunks of his posts.
We all know some accounts that changed hands are caught because of local boards

Example : The seller's account is from Asia and active on local boards and the buyer is from part of Europe It is hard to explain if he cannot write the language where he used to be active.

This is just my thought..

As far as I know, the number of merit transfers from member A to member B is only 50 in a month. If the member only gets 50 merits then the rest is a merit airdrop. I once read a case on a reputation board where a member deleted most of his posts so his activity returned to almost 0. But I forgot what his account name was.

So in my opinion if he said he bought 550 merit from the OP in that thread then that's a lie. Maybe he is an alt account who deliberately posted there to convince other members

They said profile got their post deleted and the account retuned to newbie otherwise there are no way someone would received 500 merits instantly while monthly is 50 from a single user, besides the saids newbie account was created within 2016 if I am not mistakenly btw you and I knows that his intentions was to seek more attention from users who are too lazy to post and build their account to a suitable rank. Besides whom do you think would accept to sell his account at a very cheap price whereby if they succeeded working into signature they could earn higher than that so anyone giving attention to that thread could likely get scammed by them.

The only perfect explanation for this is that, as stated by Solosanz, the user only earned 50 merits once, according to . Bpip and the rest was from airdropped merit, and the user happens to be an old member of the forum who benefited from the airdropped merit.

And about the activities, it's obvious they were all deleted by the same user, but I can't fine the record of the activities from Ninjastick. So for this user to claim there was about 500 merit purchases from the seller, it only means that the same seller is in control of the other account, which claims there was a trade of merit; the account with 500+ merit was just used as testimony to convince people that it's real and they will fall victim to their fraud.

as Solosanz mentioned, the 500 merits are airdropped, if you are curious where the user's posts went and why it is not recorded, they most likely deleted their posts before LoyceV started scraping the forum.

the user is lying.

He only bought 50 merits and received the remaining 500 merits through airdrop.

If you check this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20171127223222/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=828879 you’ll see that he once had an activity that amount to that of a hero member rank.

I don’t know the exact creation date of ninjastic.space but it seems like he deleted his post before ninjastic.space was deployed for post scrapping here in the forum, so only 8 of his posts were scrapped to his profile. But if you just search for posts that contains “ Kda2018” you’ll see that more that 700 posts contains that user name ( I.e the number of times the user was mentioned or quoted”).

Very simple, since his earned merit is only 50 merits, it means the rest (500 merits) are airdropped before the merit system. So, he was lying if he bought all the 550 merits at once.

I doubt if he bought the 50 merits, it high likely an alt accounts.

He was a Hero member and then delete all of his posts, so he back become a newbie rank.

Hi guys,
Let me start by saying that i am not a newbie, so i am very away that some users engage themselves in merit trade, that is buying and selling merits, but recently, while going through the Scam and Accusation board, i came across this thread, which lead me to this one, where i then saw this User's comment claiming that he or she bought 550 merits from the op of the thread he or she commented on.

The comment was made on April 14th, 2023 which means this transaction happened this year, while going through this user's profile data on bpip.org, the record there showed that this user only has received 50 merits one time from this user, who also has 501 merits with just 193 posts and 126 activity.

Kda2018 has 550 merits with just 4 posts and 4 activities, and like i mentioned before, bpip data showed that he only received 50 merits ones from Ajpa94, how come about the other 500 merits, where did it came from.

I sure know that there must be something i am missing here, but i just can't figure this whole stuff out, the user said he bought 550 merits, but bpip data has no record of when he received the supposed 550 merit from the user who sold it, but rather, showed he only received 50 merits from another user, who also have the same type of data.

Can someone with better understanding of how this works please look into this and help make my dull head understand.

Thank you in anticipation.