Topic: How would you convince an atheist thief that stealing is wrong? - page 2. (Read 424 times)
No matter how much rich you are and how much security you have the death will arrive that is the only time people will realize so until that you can't change them so be a good person to yourselves and if everyone thinks in that way then there will be no crimes.
Now ask your friend to define Good and Bad. There is no objective morality out there so it will be very hard for him to define it ( because he is listening to Jakir Naik crap lol ). Stealing is not good neither it is bad (in an objective sense). Good and Bad are social constructions which we made for evolutionary reasons. So this question does not make sense, it is like asking what is the color of love ( many will say red/pink lol) ?
This doesn't make sense. You are supporting the very which you intend to contrast.
If good and bad are not objective according to you, you are actually supporting what my friend said, that good and bad isn't objective but what God has revealed to human beings. Your logic breaks your own conclusion.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg ethics or religion? I have nothing against religion or religious people, but the notion that one needs religion to be ethical is not only ludicrous, but kind of disturbing. I guess that's why we have religion, for those who are incapable of behaving ethically without the threat of fire and brimstone and eternal damnation.
I don't disagree. But I think religion from ancient times has had an influence in shaping the molarity and ethics which we today believe in. A sky daddy isn't truly needed to define morality, but keeping slaves were legal very recently till even in countries where state and church were separated!
Is didn't know atheist approve stealing. But its breaking the law and its in every constitution.
The easiest way for them to realize that stealing isn't good is to steal something from them. If that doesn't work then steal more from them, take their car and credit cards. I'm sure they value money like everyone else and if they complain that means you did a wrong thing which is exactly stealing.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg ethics or religion? I have nothing against religion or religious people, but the notion that one needs religion to be ethical is not only ludicrous, but kind of disturbing. I guess that's why we have religion, for those who are incapable of behaving ethically without the threat of fire and brimstone and eternal damnation.
First of all, tell your friend to stop listening to Jakir naik. Because he took his argument (as per your description) from the below mentioned lecture of Jakir Naik.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSvmlX8g3ig (argument starts 6.50 in video, so skip all crap).
Now ask your friend to define Good and Bad. There is no objective morality out there so it will be very hard for him to define it ( because he is listening to Jakir Naik crap lol ). Stealing is not good neither it is bad (in an objective sense). Good and Bad are social constructions which we made for evolutionary reasons. So this question does not make sense, it is like asking what is the color of love ( many will say red/pink lol) ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSvmlX8g3ig (argument starts 6.50 in video, so skip all crap).
Now ask your friend to define Good and Bad. There is no objective morality out there so it will be very hard for him to define it ( because he is listening to Jakir Naik crap lol ). Stealing is not good neither it is bad (in an objective sense). Good and Bad are social constructions which we made for evolutionary reasons. So this question does not make sense, it is like asking what is the color of love ( many will say red/pink lol) ?
Everybody knows in his heart that stealing is wrong. Knowing what's wrong isn't the point.
How so? The thief wouldn't consider it wrong, after all the easy money he gets to make on an hourly basis. He's in full profit all the time. Why would he feel sad and wrong for something that benefits him so much?
The laws are written in the heart of everyone. Sometimes the circumstances make it difficult to determine if one is obeying or disobeying. And after a time of disobedience, one can harden his heart so he almost can't feel the law any longer. But the law is still there.
Consider. Where did you get your hands and arms? I mean, if you lost an arm, is there any place you can go to get it back, or a new one grown? The original was given to you free, as a gift.
In the same way, the law of giving is written into the heart... not the law of stealing.
I am an agnostic but more towards atheism.
I was arguing with my religious friend and he said that it's impossible to lead a life without God's laws and set morals. And he asked me this question that how would I convince an atheist thief that stealing is wrong.
The thief is so smart and has made millions. Police, courts, judges are in his pocket. He can't get arrested. No harm to him. So he can't see why it's wrong for him to steal?
The best answer I could have thought of was "maybe someone will steal from the thief himself and that way the thief would consider stealing wrong". But he refuted saying the thief has bigly paid bodyguards and security so he's rich enough to not get robbed himself.
What's your take on this, share opinions
I was arguing with my religious friend and he said that it's impossible to lead a life without God's laws and set morals. And he asked me this question that how would I convince an atheist thief that stealing is wrong.
The thief is so smart and has made millions. Police, courts, judges are in his pocket. He can't get arrested. No harm to him. So he can't see why it's wrong for him to steal?
The best answer I could have thought of was "maybe someone will steal from the thief himself and that way the thief would consider stealing wrong". But he refuted saying the thief has bigly paid bodyguards and security so he's rich enough to not get robbed himself.
What's your take on this, share opinions
you can give him some kind of identiy and domesticate him, so he doesnt want to damage a local economic system,
but in general it is very difficult, thats why there is police, besides not just atheists steal also religions steal and rob from each other and their sects
Everybody knows in his heart that stealing is wrong. Knowing what's wrong isn't the point.
How so? The thief wouldn't consider it wrong, after all the easy money he gets to make on an hourly basis. He's in full profit all the time. Why would he feel sad and wrong for something that benefits him so much?
Everybody knows in his heart that stealing is wrong. Knowing what's wrong isn't the point.
I am an agnostic but more towards atheism.
I was arguing with my religious friend and he said that it's impossible to lead a life without God's laws and set morals. And he asked me this question that how would I convince an atheist thief that stealing is wrong.
The thief is so smart and has made millions. Police, courts, judges are in his pocket. He can't get arrested. No harm to him. So he can't see why it's wrong for him to steal?
The best answer I could have thought of was "maybe someone will steal from the thief himself and that way the thief would consider stealing wrong". But he refuted saying the thief has bigly paid bodyguards and security so he's rich enough to not get robbed himself.
What's your take on this, share opinions
I was arguing with my religious friend and he said that it's impossible to lead a life without God's laws and set morals. And he asked me this question that how would I convince an atheist thief that stealing is wrong.
The thief is so smart and has made millions. Police, courts, judges are in his pocket. He can't get arrested. No harm to him. So he can't see why it's wrong for him to steal?
The best answer I could have thought of was "maybe someone will steal from the thief himself and that way the thief would consider stealing wrong". But he refuted saying the thief has bigly paid bodyguards and security so he's rich enough to not get robbed himself.
What's your take on this, share opinions
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