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Giga
January 25, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
#25
Disgusting, all the more reason people should own their money (crypto) rather than rely on banks.
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January 25, 2014, 12:33:31 PM
#24
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.

Banks are funny. They don't get the concept of it being our money not theirs ..... another good reason to eliminate them, especially HSBC.

Let me break it to you it's not your money it's their money and if they want they will take it and not give it to you!

Of course it's your money, you just willingly lend it to them so they can do what they like with it.
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January 25, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
#23
Legally... Legally... None of this is legal, there is no case law, there is little statute. even if sued, banks rarely go to court they get very good lawyers and tie you up in knots and possibly, much later, offer a settlement.

Ownership doesnt change when you put money in a bank, 'posession' changes.
All you armchair lawyers make me laugh.

Like everything now its just safest to stay under the radar, withdraw amonts below trigger values and behave yourself... Just like they want you to do.
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January 25, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
#22
So legally you don't own the money you have in a bank. Is that what you are saying? Show me a law saying that.

You certainly don't own the money used to purchase any GICs you hold with your bank, and you don't really even own the money in your checking account--you just have an agreement with the bank that you are guaranteed cash on "demand" provided you give the bank sufficient time to prepare any large withdrawals you may request.

When you deposit money at the bank, the asset side of the bank's balance sheet increases by an amount equal to the cash you turned over, while the liability side of their balance sheet increases by the same amount, reflecting the bank's obligation to you.  

If the bank goes bust, you just become an unsecured creditor in the bankruptcy proceedings (albeit insured against loss to some extent by the FDIC, but that's really a separate issue).  Our fractional reserve system can only function if the money you deposit legally becomes the bank's asset, so that the bank has the right to lend it out and accept the risk of loss should the loans go sour.

Also, if it was your money, you'd have to pay the banks to take care of it.  

Correct.

But the trick the banks in the UK also pull is to charge you for them taking care of the money you gave them.
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January 25, 2014, 12:11:30 PM
#21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.
Is the answer of "I will keep the money in a safe because I don't trust banks that impose such a low withdrawal limit." A good answer, or a bad one?
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January 25, 2014, 11:53:16 AM
#20
Banks in the UK have had cash withdrawal policies like this for years. Getting out anything over £500 is a pain.

Many people don't realize banks in the US are not obligated to give you a large amount of cash either, they can simply refuse, even if have a large balance with them.  They is no law on the books, they can't legally make you answer questions to why you need the cash, but they can simply say, no, we don't have that much on us.  Nothing you can do about it except request a smaller amount.  Sometimes its $5k, sometimes its $10k, varies bank by bank and by individual branch with cash reserves on hand.
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January 25, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
#19
Proof of spending. I see a new alt in the making.


But yeah this is more or less normal. One time I've been to 4 branches of the same bank in one day to withdraw the amount I needed. They often don't have 10k at hand (or they do, but would risk running low in the evening or before the next schedules cash delivery).
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Stand on the shoulders of giants
January 25, 2014, 09:37:15 AM
#18
£1
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such measure
sr. member
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January 25, 2014, 09:28:02 AM
#17
What do you even need cash to pay for? I have never had to withdraw a large amount of cash.. ever...
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January 25, 2014, 09:24:28 AM
#16
No its legally my money. Banks just like to think its theirs.

It is legally the banks money.

You have loaned it to them and are relying on their legal obligation to pay you it back upon demand, but the goalposts of their obligation are liable to shift.
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
January 25, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
#15
and that is why there will never be a bank run - they just dont hand out your money - sick world  Roll Eyes . these laws are made for the next crysis.
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January 25, 2014, 08:48:16 AM
#14
Bitcoin user not affected Cheesy

p.s. I'm calling a bank run scare, somethings definitely up if the other banks start behaving the same way, it's going to start becoming more and more difficult to get your money out because the system is collapsing in on itself and everybody in charge doesn't want people to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_run

Then you'd be alarmist and un-informed.  It quite normal in UK banks to ask you to notify them of large cash withdrawals in advance.  Seems the only issue here is the bank has made some internal procedure change and not properly communicated it to bank staff, and a few (come on, three stories for one of the largest banks) have found staff applying the procedure oddly.  

The root of this is that banks don't like cash and like to have vast stacks of cash at branch "just in case".  Its a pain in the arse for them, they'd much rather you move money around electronically and make it easy to do so.  Most allow instant inter-bank transfers for free.

And trying to turn Bitcoin to cash in the UK... doubt localbitcoins can back a £10k withdrawal.
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January 25, 2014, 06:05:00 AM
#13
money printer lp0 on fire ...  Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire
legendary
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January 25, 2014, 04:40:52 AM
#12
Bitcoin user not affected Cheesy

p.s. I'm calling a bank run scare, somethings definitely up if the other banks start behaving the same way, it's going to start becoming more and more difficult to get your money out because the system is collapsing in on itself and everybody in charge doesn't want people to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_run
legendary
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January 25, 2014, 01:43:05 AM
#11
So legally you don't own the money you have in a bank. Is that what you are saying? Show me a law saying that.

You certainly don't own the money used to purchase any GICs you hold with your bank, and you don't really even own the money in your checking account--you just have an agreement with the bank that you are guaranteed cash on "demand" provided you give the bank sufficient time to prepare any large withdrawals you may request.

When you deposit money at the bank, the asset side of the bank's balance sheet increases by an amount equal to the cash you turned over, while the liability side of their balance sheet increases by the same amount, reflecting the bank's obligation to you.  

If the bank goes bust, you just become an unsecured creditor in the bankruptcy proceedings (albeit insured against loss to some extent by the FDIC, but that's really a separate issue).  Our fractional reserve system can only function if the money you deposit legally becomes the bank's asset, so that the bank has the right to lend it out and accept the risk of loss should the loans go sour.

Also, if it was your money, you'd have to pay the banks to take care of it.  
legendary
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January 25, 2014, 01:11:17 AM
#10
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.

Banks are funny. They don't get the concept of it being our money not theirs ..... another good reason to eliminate them, especially HSBC.

Let me break it to you it's not your money it's their money and if they want they will take it and not give it to you! It happened over and over and over again! This is why I don't keep money in the bank just the bare minimum I know dozens of people where the bank just took the money and said p#@$# off! I'm not kidding! Think it can't happen in the UK, then remember this post in a few years.

No its legally my money. Banks just like to think its theirs.

Whose name is on it?  Bank of empoweoqwj?

So legally you don't own the money you have in a bank. Is that what you are saying? Show me a law saying that.

I'm guessing he means a Cyprus style event.
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January 24, 2014, 11:57:59 PM
#9
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.

Banks are funny. They don't get the concept of it being our money not theirs ..... another good reason to eliminate them, especially HSBC.

Let me break it to you it's not your money it's their money and if they want they will take it and not give it to you! It happened over and over and over again! This is why I don't keep money in the bank just the bare minimum I know dozens of people where the bank just took the money and said p#@$# off! I'm not kidding! Think it can't happen in the UK, then remember this post in a few years.

No its legally my money. Banks just like to think its theirs.

Whose name is on it?  Bank of empoweoqwj?

So legally you don't own the money you have in a bank. Is that what you are saying? Show me a law saying that.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
January 24, 2014, 11:51:44 PM
#8
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.

Banks are funny. They don't get the concept of it being our money not theirs ..... another good reason to eliminate them, especially HSBC.

Let me break it to you it's not your money it's their money and if they want they will take it and not give it to you! It happened over and over and over again! This is why I don't keep money in the bank just the bare minimum I know dozens of people where the bank just took the money and said p#@$# off! I'm not kidding! Think it can't happen in the UK, then remember this post in a few years.

No its legally my money. Banks just like to think its theirs.

Whose name is on it?  Bank of empoweoqwj?
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January 24, 2014, 11:49:42 PM
#7
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.

Banks are funny. They don't get the concept of it being our money not theirs ..... another good reason to eliminate them, especially HSBC.

Let me break it to you it's not your money it's their money and if they want they will take it and not give it to you! It happened over and over and over again! This is why I don't keep money in the bank just the bare minimum I know dozens of people where the bank just took the money and said p#@$# off! I'm not kidding! Think it can't happen in the UK, then remember this post in a few years.

No its legally my money. Banks just like to think its theirs.
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January 24, 2014, 11:15:02 PM
#6
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

Refusing to give customers the cash unless they provide an adequate reason.  People suitably unimpressed at having less control of their money in a bank than they thought.

Banks are funny. They don't get the concept of it being our money not theirs ..... another good reason to eliminate them, especially HSBC.

Let me break it to you it's not your money it's their money and if they want they will take it and not give it to you! It happened over and over and over again! This is why I don't keep money in the bank just the bare minimum I know dozens of people where the bank just took the money and said p#@$# off! I'm not kidding! Think it can't happen in the UK, then remember this post in a few years.
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