Topic: Huge bounty is placed on Russians politicians crypto info - page 2. (Read 370 times)

This is absolutely obvious and we all know the truth behind the Russian soldiers. Fighting war is not a crime but attacking innocent people who are protected by international law is a juvenile act which I will never support.

Justice does not know brother or sister, the truth has to be told. Let's tag black as black and white as white.

If this is a matter of principle, I can try to make an estimate of the real population for the given region, but I will need time. Therefore, I accept the challenge, but I take a break. Then I will have a counter question You, as a resident of Russia, will not deny that quite recently (December 2021), due to "not very pleasant statistics", the head of the state statistical office (Rossstat) was replaced in Russia. The reason for the dismissal of Pavel Smelov is "The deputy head of Rosstat was fired, who said that over 100% of Russians took part in the census" ... And what is surprising - after a new, "correct head" was appointed, all state statistics unexpectedly began to correspond " indicators declared by the president and heads of ministries" Can you give a LOGICAL explanation for such an event? And now, while working on the task you have set for me, I will also show arithmetic discrepancies in state statistics, based on official data. And I will also ask you to explain why in Russian statistics 2 + 2 = or 3 or 7, depending on the situation?



Yes, I am an ethnic Russian, a citizen of Ukraine. But my origin and nationality will never be a reason to justify the crimes, or conceal the crimes of the country where I was born. I am interested in the truth as such and not with regard to what my nationality is, where I was born and my other preferences.

Tell me - if your father or brother rapes and kills a defenseless girl - will you also shield him and justify because he is your father or brother? For us - the truth is above personal interests, for you - personal interests or habits or worship of power - this is a reason to justify any crime! This is one of our key differences....

Russian are good in hacking too, and they (Ukranians) might just be backfired by their own thoughts knowing that they are planning something like this. What if the Russians pretend to be an intel but in reality they are just giving wrong info. They could be giving those rewards to their enemies, it should be discreet. A mission like this should be a top secret and not known to the public.

I wasn't the first to start talking about the army. Let's close the theme with the armies.

For example, a pensioner with a pension of 9600 rubles was considered poor, his pension was indexed and it increased by 500 rubles, now he is no longer poor according to statistics.
But these data are not related to real income.
I live in Russia, I go to the store every day, I know the number of people in the region and, in my opinion, it coincides with the data on the population of Rosstat.

Write the correct data for the Novosibirsk region.


You are Russian, why write so much shit about your native country?

What does Napoleon have to do with the topic?  Well, ok, even if they started talking about Napoleon, then be consistent and tell whose troops defeated the Napoleonic Army after he reached Moscow and burned it down? He will tell you - which troops destroyed the Napoleonic army, which, having completed the task, began to move back? And explain what relation these forces had to the Russian defeated army? Believe me - if you study history, according to real data, you will be very surprised.
Victory over Hitler's Germany - 2 "victory" factors:
1. Timely assistance by Lendlis.
2. Blunt throwing "cannon fodder" of the enemy. Despite the fact that on June 22, 2041, the USSR army was many times superior to the German army.
Try to argue against? For one thing, explain why it is Russia that still keeps secret wartime archives that can show the real cost of "victory"?
And let's not jump to such topics, far from the essence of the topic? If you want to discuss - let's in a separate topic, and not like a flea to jump from one topic to another? Let's stick to the culture of dialogue ?

OK. let's move on. I will not write much again, because. I don't see the point. I'll answer your table example. Let's look at the table, and make a simple conclusion, what does it show us?
The table shows us that in the 1st quarter there were almost 21 million poor people, and then suddenly their number began to decline. And very noticeable. About 20% right? And now the question is - what happened in Russia that the number of poor people has decreased so much? Well, arithmetically it can only be:
1. A sharp increase in the income of the population
2. Reducing the poor population (for example, mortality)
Can you tell me if any of these events happened? That's right - NO! They just took and drew "nice numbers" Remember - official statistics in Russia are the most fake data you have ever seen in your life!

About the number of the population, I already told you - in 2021, the population census was OFFICIALLY carried out. In reality, no census processes took place. It's just that in the end they took and gave out a figure - 141 million, it seems. I have already mentioned. if you spend some time and work with the official channels of information, you will see noticeable gaps in the data, discrepancies in official figures, which indicates data manipulation.

Regarding the "shadow salary" - the so-called "salary in an envelope." This feature is more characteristic of the Ukrainian labor market. And in Russia, they were very proud of the fact that they managed to bring in order the payment and collection of taxes. I will say this - I myself was born in Novosibirsk, today's Russia. And as you know, I have many relatives there. Believe me - I take data not only from the state statistics, but also from living people living there. I can tell you exactly to the ruble about the prices in real stores, about pensions and the cost of utilities in many regions of Russia. And most importantly - I can prove their reality

The US national debt is the longest-lived "jingo-patriotic chewing gum" for the inhabitants of the USSR and their heirs, as well as the promise "tomorrow the USA will fall apart, the USSR will whitewash capitalism!" I, personally, have been hearing all this since the 1980s, every day we were told this through news channels, and in elementary school, teachers told us ) In a word - "the US national debt" and "the collapse of the dollar", I am absolutely not interested! At least for the simple reason that the United States has the ability to reset this public debt without any serious consequences! But that's a completely different topic...

In 1812, Napoleon thought that the Russians had a bad army, in 1914 the German Empire and Austria-Hungary thought so too. In 1941, Hitler and his allies also thought that the Russian army was weak. I hope there will be no more people who want to check it out.

Why do you say 20.8 MILLION if it is wise to use averages and not maximums?


If you say that in Russia there are 90-100 million, then write where the mistake is.
official statistics
http://www.statdata.ru/russia
Cities with a million population in Russia 2021, 2020 list
http://www.statdata.ru/goroda-millionniki-rossii-po-naseleniu

Population of Russian regions 2021: number, large regions of Russia and federal districts list, table
http://www.statdata.ru/largest_regions_russia
Correct this table


It is possible that in your country real salaries and official salaries are the same. In Russia, even in large companies there is an official salary, but there is also a shadow salary.
Most retired pensioners work as watchmen, administrators, salesmen, in short, at any job where there is no difficult physical labor and the presence of a person is important. This is also a shadow salary. Therefore, if you look officially, the picture is terrible, but in reality everything is different.

US national debt
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Do these numbers bother you?

Well, if you believe the official propaganda - in Russia the army is the second in the world in terms of power )))

Let's take some numbers, from open sources?
So:
0. https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/218_03-12-2021.htm. Population with cash incomes below the poverty line
 in general for the Russian Federation in 2021 - 20.8 MILLION!
1. Let's start with an interesting question: the total population of Russia? It seems that a census was conducted in 2021, but there was no census as such, and the data about 140 million is more of a fake to show a "positive social situation." Judging by the pension fund, and other official figures, we can assume that in fact, the population of Russia is about 90, maximum 100 million. Total - the adjustment factor is 1.4. If interested, we can discuss this topic separately.
2. The World Bank has set the poverty line at $1.9 a day. Or 30 * 1.9 = about $60 a month. Do you remember this amount?
3. The official position in Russia is "we have about 20 million in poverty." Now open the official description of what "poverty" is according to Russian indicators. Have you read? Well, now we multiply this number by at least 1.5. Why ? And because only able-bodied citizens are taken into account here. Children do not fall into this miscalculation, but are they also citizens? And we assume that for every 2 adults - 1 child. The total is already about 20.8 * 1.5 = 31.2 million.
4. Pensioners. As of January 1, 2022, the number of pensioners registered with the Pension Fund amounted to just over 42 million. The level of pensions for civil pensioners is at the poverty line. 42 million, we divide by the "population conversion" factor of 1.4 and get about 30 million. The average "official pension" is 16,920 rubles. But the real one for the majority is about 12400-14500 rubles. Excluding utility bills. I'll be honest - higher pensions for pensioners from among the security forces. There are approximately 3 million of them. A total of 30 million - 3 million. Another 27 million citizens are on the poverty line ...
5. We also take average indicators for wages, mandatory payments - these are utility bills, and debt. In 2021, the debt burden of the population amounted to approximately 24 trillion rubles. According to the Central Bank of Russia, the distribution of debt looks like this:
59.5% of such bank loans in the third quarter were issued to borrowers with PTI over 50%, i.e. those who monthly spend more than half of their income on servicing loans. Almost a third of disbursements (31%) are accounted for by the most indebted borrowers with PTI over 80%.
(PDI - debt burden indicator)

I think it is not difficult to bring the numbers together (the poverty rate according to the world norm, the norms in Russia, real incomes and costs), and get a hidden, but real poverty rate of more than 50%.

And most importantly, the sanctions, in fact, have only just begun to take effect

But I repeat once again - more than 50% of the population will not feel a deterioration in the standard of living - they have lived at the bottom all their lives, and it is simply impossible to live worse ... Probably .. Although Russia knows how to surprise

PS They say that now in North Korea, when the population asks a question about the low standard of living, the government answers the population - "Do you want to be like in Russia!?"

If you say that officially the poverty rate in Russia is 40%, then give a Rosstat link.

"NTERFAX.RU - In Russia, there were 19.1 million people with incomes below the subsistence level in the first half of 2021, the poverty rate is estimated at 13.1%, Rosstat"
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/782984

There is a very big problem of shadow wages in Russia. According to the official income, a citizen is poor, and if you look at his property and expensive cars, then the statistics are completely different.

Please tell  for 80% of the Russian population what is a normal life?
I will translate your post into Russian and give you a link to the comments.

This is where the lapses of those using centralized exchanges will fall into, pretty good the exchanges has no option than revealing the identity of it users or placing a ban because this is government we are talking about and has the power over the rule of all affairs within it jurisdiction, but when it comes to Decentralized exchanges, no where to hold them responsible for such. So annoying again is that the same people (Russians) still have their coins on centralized exchanges, should we believe that they don't know how to go about it or were being perplex on the next step to take.

Totally opposing decentralization despite of these platforms to be centralized but these platforms could not really just block just because of the current issues we are facing on specially on this war.

I dont actually see their motive on this one but only the thing you had said about exposing their addresses and be blocked into exchangers since this is the only way that they could really
make out some effect but the main question is on how to trace it out if they are definitely owned by those politicians? Impossible task even how big the bounty would be.

What are they going to do? Leak the addresses and send them to exchanges asking not to process transactions? It's not going to work. Some exchanges will ban them and some will not because there are people who believe that access to money should never be blocked. This is against what bitcoin stands for.
There's a lot of opposition against tainting coins so what era they going to do if an exchange somewhere in Africa or Asia decides to accept these coins? Ask the Internet to boycott them?

If the succeed in getting this politicians wallet address what next. Will exchanges decide to work against their clients without breaking any of their rules or will they decide to launch a brute force on those exchanges thereby putting other customers wallets at risk?

What if this politicians uses a DEFI wallet will there still be any thing that could be done to attack their crypto asset. It's to fold my arms and watch the exent to which this IT armies can brute force DEFI wallets

Quite a reasonable move. The Russian economy - for the most part - is a big fake. 80% of the population lives in poverty, 40% (officially) are below the poverty line. these 80% do not care what happens in the country - they have never had a normal life, and they are well aware that they never will be. But the 20% and the elite - they have something to lose. They have been stealing for decades, and now they are on the verge of collapse - sanctions and restrictions can lower them from "celestials" to the ground, and deprive them of their usual high standard of living. And they are very afraid of it. And of course they will look for all possible ways to maintain their standard of living. These are potentially high risks of growing internal tension, dissatisfaction of the elites and "questions of a bunker miserable copy of Hitler." Therefore, blocking another channel for the withdrawal and preservation of the funds of these elites is the right way, which will bring victory over the Russian terrorist regime closer.

From the first day of the war, Ukraine takes the informational war very seriously. And prior to the war, Ukraine took digitalization very seriously as well. So, of course, Ukraine has cyber warriors, basically. And we do need to make the most of it, to ensure that Russia as a state is limited as much as possible, and that includes limiting Russian officials from using cryptos to evade sanctions.
As for those saying crypto exchanges, unless they're in Ukraine, won't freeze funds, you're wrong. It's the beneficial thing for Ukraine right now that Western crypto exchanges actually abide by the sanctions, and they do and will freeze accounts. And it's the right thing to do because financing terrorism is a crime, and Russia is a terrorist state right now.

Unveiling the mask of a crypto hodlers by exchange is not showing showing the freedom that cryptocurrency is representing. I don't expect it that exchanges will go that way except if it is government own but I don't think like that so to get people to expose politicians crypto wallet for bounty reward won't be an encouragement.  Zelensky is asking for this to get to freeze or block the account but it won't be possible when the exchange is not established under Ukraine

But let's imagine a situation where any exchange or service can block or confiscate a user's crypto assets without explanation. This is called financial fascism. We are all fighting for decentralization and that "code is law". When countries are doing well, their governments sit in the masks of democracy and freedom, and now, when they start to have problems, they take off their masks and show the true value of their democracy and freedoms.

The Russians might have been using the newly minted coins to hide their assets using bitcoins which can eventually end up bad for the whole community since many Russians are converting their assets in Bitcoins and also buying their estates in other states or countries to escape the sanctions, now the sanctions are actually very important since these would provide people with a reason the confront the government if they cannot bow down to normal Kindness.

Now this would require the help from the mixers and the mixing services since they are the middle places where people would go since new minted coins are not so easy to find.

Therefore this would be a collaborative effort :
1. Using the mixing services
2. Using the KYC on the wallets which are offline and being used by the government
3. Using the governmental data
4. Tracking using the banks

I find this more a buzz than actually useful endeavor. But yeah, maybe I'm right.
I mean that unless those funds can be tracked to centralized platforms that will obey any western warrants, there's not much they can actually do. And the effort may be rather big.

However, I wish them best of luck. I wish them this stupid war ends very soon and in a favorable manner for Ukraine.

Feels like they want to build army just like the one from Money Heist series.   
I am sure everyone seen how Pakistani hackers give full support to the Professor sitting away thousands of miles from the location.

Though I saw it just as fun I’m not sure if such things can really happen in reality. If it does then IT army gonna rip off many things for Russia. With the internet you can literally travel to the destination source in blink of an eye so anything is possible with this.

The vital points here:
1. Isn’t this will create buzz against UK being interfering with the war from foreign land?
2. With the UK IT army won’t it be against the international policies?

Since the Ukrainian goverment does not have what it takes to win this war, using other means could at least render an effort even though it's not solid but can help to cripple their adversaries might.

All these are very important in winning a war but I don't think the Ukrainian goverment has the capability to bring these into play. They don't have enough soldiers, equipments, missiles, war heads, strategies etc to stop the Russians effort to dominate in this war. Although other world powers like the America, germany, UK etc are helping them with donations and wapons to help repel the Russians soldiers.