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legendary
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April 11, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
#9
So if I buy gold to use as a store of value, and then sell it later, am I gambling?  How about property as a store of value?  If I exchange $USD for another currency, hold it, and then exchange it back, am I gambling?

Basically yes, it's speculation if all you're planning to do is sell it later for a profit. It's called land speculation or currency speculation.

If you're buying gold to plate electrical contacts or make jewelry or buying land to live on or use for commercial or agricultural purposes, it becomes more than mere speculation.

Venture capitalists are investors. People who buy stock after the IPO are just speculators.
hero member
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April 11, 2014, 10:56:56 AM
#8

Buying bitcoins isn't investing. Unless you're buying them to use for purchasing things, you're just speculating.

Merely buying and selling bitcoins is just gambling like a casino, stock market or lottery.


So if I buy gold to use as a store of value, and then sell it later, am I gambling?  How about property as a store of value?  If I exchange $USD for another currency, hold it, and then exchange it back, am I gambling?

A good reason that some sell their bitcoin back to fiat is that not all merchants except bitcoin (yet), can't pay their bills or rent with it (yet), can't pay their taxes with it (probably never will happen), can't buy a new car with it (yet), etc.

Hell, if I could use bitcoin everywhere for all my purchases, pay my taxes with it, and get paid directly in bitcoin, I'd never use $USD ever again.

When he said gambling, I think he was referring to the uncertainty of bitcoins future.  We don't know if another alt might come, issue with protocal etc.  Things like gold and USD will most likely stay and continue to be used.
legendary
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April 11, 2014, 10:50:58 AM
#7

Buying bitcoins isn't investing. Unless you're buying them to use for purchasing things, you're just speculating.

Merely buying and selling bitcoins is just gambling like a casino, stock market or lottery.


So if I buy gold to use as a store of value, and then sell it later, am I gambling?  How about property as a store of value?  If I exchange $USD for another currency, hold it, and then exchange it back, am I gambling?

A good reason that some sell their bitcoin back to fiat is that not all merchants except bitcoin (yet), can't pay their bills or rent with it (yet), can't pay their taxes with it (probably never will happen), can't buy a new car with it (yet), etc.

Hell, if I could use bitcoin everywhere for all my purchases, pay my taxes with it, and get paid directly in bitcoin, I'd never use $USD ever again.  If that scenario came true, I would still hold some BTC in my account (like a savings account)... and that's not gambling to hold a currency.
legendary
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April 11, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
#6
And that is why btc probably never will succeed. New people get slaughtered by greedy people. It will get harder and harder to attract new investors with these kind of ups and downs.

Investors? Bitcoin isn't an investment scheme. It's a transfer protocol.

Buying bitcoins isn't investing. Unless you're buying them to use for purchasing things, you're just speculating.

Putting your money into developing Bitcoin technology and infrastructure is investing. Merely buying and selling bitcoins is just gambling like a casino, stock market or lottery.
member
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April 11, 2014, 10:30:29 AM
#5
And that is why btc probably never will succeed. New people get slaughtered by greedy people. It will get harder and harder to attract new investors with these kind of ups and downs.


Bitcoin has always had "ups and downs." To say it will never succeed because of recent volatility misses the point. The key is increased adoption. That takes time.
hero member
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April 11, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
#4
And that is why btc probably never will succeed. New people Pigs get slaughtered by greedy people sharks. It will get harder and harder to attract new investors new avg joe with these kind of ups and downs.


FTFY, if you dont the term pigs in Finance, google it.

legendary
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April 11, 2014, 10:13:14 AM
#3
Time will tell the story. Just like it has with online poker, which is illegal, here in the U.S. Just like it has with the banks that have restricted and outright stopped payment for things like bitcoin, even from big names like Coinbase. People find a way and Bitcoin cannot be stopped. Maybe in North Korea it can be, but China is not as closed off to the world as many think. They can and will be able to trade Bitcoin and convert it back to Yuan, even if that means using a non-Chinese exchange and trading currency on FOREX. It can be done. Do people really think that big Chinese investors are going to be discouraged by an inconvenience? The group-think in the West regarding "China" has left me feeling a bit more misanthropic these days. I have no doubt however that some people will make big gains with Bitcoin, even if it means pulling BTC out of the hands of regular people and small time investors. I really don't know if or when this manipulation will cease to be accepted, so I am not buying, just hodling.
legendary
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April 11, 2014, 09:57:46 AM
#2
And that is why btc probably never will succeed. New people get slaughtered by greedy people. It will get harder and harder to attract new investors with these kind of ups and downs.
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April 11, 2014, 09:50:42 AM
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