Topic: Hundreds of thousands trafficked to work as online scammers in SE Asia, says UN (Read 242 times)

Most of those that engage in scam would have been truncated by the economy challenges which led to their decision on taking the wrong path to earn a living scamming others, there's no excuse for any form of abuse or break in law and order, with this i expect the government together with all financial regulatory bodies to identify the fact that cryptocurrency is not the highest and only means by which people get scammed through the digital networks, social media itself had contributed alot in this, while what others had passed through led them into this mess, i don't expect an average man who can afford a living and ready to work to also engage in any form of scam.

Bro!!!  


If you think an average wage that is still lower than all of Europe's minimum would put a dent in scamming businesses that thrive in millions you're living in a fantasy, There will be always victims, migrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania are sometimes abused in western Europe and we talk about economies with a nearly median of 1000 euros a month, girls from all over eastern Europe are trafficked and you think 200 a month would stop it?

What would stop it is people not falling for this shit!
The war on drugs can be won without one shot if people would simply stop taking drugs!


Every time I read about a Chinese scam happening in India I always see there is a small line that despite all the rest of the hate and fury against the mastermind paints the reality behind it. So just like here:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/how-scamsters-in-india-are-sending-thousands-of-crores-back-to-china/articleshow/99839197.cms
First the denial:
The the admission:

Common, you can't just blame China for this when India hosts like one thousand scammer call centers.
As for the Philipines itself, it's not even about being local, they are exporting it:
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2023/02/14/2244868/chinese-crypto-scams-targeting-filipinos-work-them-official

I really had no idea about this. If people are forced to scam others because they're trafficked to do this stuff, they are victims in this situation, and that should count for something. It's good that the UN Human Rights Office drew attention to this matter, but it's also unfortunate that that's pretty much all they're going to do about it because the UN has been generally useless in fighting injustice for a while. I think UN could be strong and decisive, but it just isn't even trying to do that.
I have no hate toward individual scammers, I just don't think about them much. But now I'll think about how they might be doing it against their will.      

Well, I had a whole other picture in mind... when it came to these scammers. I saw a group of lazy organized people that came together to scam people.... and sharing the bounty of their spoils.

I watched some Youtube videos of scammers in India and they looked very happy as if they were enjoying what they were doing. So, next time I get one of those calls, I will not swear so much..... noooooot. 

good and bad people found everywhere. 80% users who are dealing with scamming may have chosen this path in order to find food for home but what will we say about these 20% and very possible that these scammers are playing with millions. Actually the world become so lazy, trying to earn without any physical hard work. These laziness force us to work for these big scammers and we didn't think about either the work we doing is legal or not.

This is absolutely right because ordinary man without knowledge of creating phising sites cannot do it with ease. These scammers are mastermind and use these needy people for their purpose. Most of ponzi scheme like MTFE working on this strategy and they attract many people by giving refereal reward which force them to bring more investors and they start referring without any research about project. Many times in my country people got scammed by these online and offline companies but still people doing it.



Improving of country economics will not helpful as most if the time the head of these scamming team proved a very well rich person. If a man is given one valley of gold, he will try for another. The only solution to this problem is for us to be content what we have, While earning money, we should think that others do not suffer. This issue is looking moral more than financial.

I've also seen a couple of news stories this year about getting busted by scammers here in our country, and guess what? They operate like a call center or BPO that has a building called Safe House and has more than 40 employees. You have a point; it's kind of like we are getting angry with this kind of scammer, but again, they are forced to do it, but again, there are still people who really do it because they want to and they can get easy money. I do hope that the authorities will find more and hunt down those kinds of scammers so that they could be free and also we would be free from getting scammed.

What's actually strange? The Chinese mafia is everywhere in the world. They're all over Southeast Asia and beyond. They're bringing with them Chinese people and other citizens from all over Asia and even Africa. It's very easy for them to do that. They have the money and, therefore, the powerful connections.

They have all kinds of business fronts as well. They have duly registered companies. They're working in the open and in urban centers and not underground. They're in special economic zones.

As to the trafficked persons, money makes the the world go round. The airport, the immigration, and other government agencies and offices aren't running out of bad apples that are always ready to be in cahoots with these syndicates for a certain amount.

The likes of Coinbase, Kraken, Crypto.com, and others are being used by these scammers to lure gullible people to invest.

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1. https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1202767
2. https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/explainers/how-ofws-trafficked-crypto-scam-operations/

I heard the news that most of them are tempted by high salaries in other countries, so for example usually in my home country Indonesia people would like to go to other countries because the salary is higher there like Korea or Australia and then they get a passport after that go to desire country but the passport got hold by the employer and boom you can back to your home country.

That is sad but there is also other news about human trafficking not for sexual workers or drug workers but they get paid for their kidney what a crazy right - https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/indonesian-police-crack-traffickers-122-people-sell-kidneys-101628226

That is quite strange. Especially considering how Chinese laws and the Great Firewall basically shut off access to the western world. That would mean the chinese people are living outside the country, right? Like in Hong Kong, or even inside the local country itself.

Regarding bribes, yeah that's very common for mafia. Most of those bribes are done using stolen money too on top of that. Maybe that's why scam reports usually end up nowhere.

I haven't been to China but as far as I've encountered through various stories and experiences, it appears that China's economy may be huge but many of the ordinary people are living a life of poverty. So China's economic standard can't be a basis.

As a matter of fact, even in my poor country where work is scarce and standard of living low, there are Chinese immigrants who work odd jobs.

Anyway, many of these scams are crypto-related. There must be a number of such operations here. I'm afraid the operators aren't locals. Most of them are Chinese. Even their employees, many are not locals. Many of them are Chinese strictly housed in guarded apartments. They can't easily be stopped because they have protectors from law enforcement agencies. In poor countries like mine, illegal business operations just have to be generous in giving bribes for the government to leave them alone.

A common scenario and whether we do like it or not then these numbers would really be bloating out as economic issues and problems will arise even more specially when it comes to unemployment on which it would

really be something the main reason on why people do really end up on this kind of path.Yes, its sad but it isnt a solid reason for you to scam people other hard earn money too. You wont really be getting scammed if you do really just know on how to make use of your own brain and common sense on which if you are that someone who do easily believe about easy money then you are really that susceptible to possible scamming attempt if ever there's someone would really be planning into your.

Mostly 3rd world countries or developing countries are the ones who are really that known with these hacking and scamming activities on which it is really that understandable on what drives them on doing so.
It is really just that shameful that they do really end up with this path on stealing other peoples money or simply which isnt theirs. As an individual then no one would really be getting scammed
if you do really just make yourself that fully wary on what things are happening around. You wont really be that so dumb if you do notice something odd.

I thought this board is mainly for Bitcoin Discussion well what do I know. This is interesting. Telegram is the king of scammers, and I was almost scammed yesterday in telegram. The scammer sent me dm that they have deposited money to my account and account is frozen so I should open link sent to me and register to continue the process, as I just told him that he was a scammer immediately he deleted everything. Those guys do not pity any of their victims. They are heartless. And one thing that also caused this setting up scam gang in the social media is lack job (unemployment), when the teaming youths could not use their youthful strength to work for themselves, they would convert that energy and talent to crime. Countries that high rate of employment has low crime rate than the one that have high unemployment rate.
And those scammers always end bad.

Yes, this one is on typographical error.
What I was meant to say was "Scam is scam, and I shouldn't feel pity for them," but my keyboard chose a completely different thing.

No matter the circumstances that scammers find themselves in, that does not justify the reason why they scam someone, as the victim did not know those ones, and even if they knew, losing something one worked so hard for to someone who can't even say a thank you appears to be really painful.

Why should you feel guilty, Peniou is evil they have committed fraud regardless of who the victim is and even those who are deceived are in a bad state.

Whatever background drives them to cheat will not affect their morals.
If they didn't really want to cheat they would have done many ways to get out of the zone.

Scammers are still scammers and that hurts a lot of people.
Most scammers don't even have a conscience, not thinking that their victims will be seriously affected by the scam.
Crypto is a terrible place for beginners when they get scammed because the scammers will disappear without a trace and the authorities will not take any action.

This is really interesting, as I could have actually wondered the reason why these scammers activities are increasing day after day without them even getting tired or even planning to give up, but instead they keep on putting up more effort and bring up new scamming ideas like their lives depend on it. Who knows if their lives actually depend on it, as a situation as the above explained can put someone in a do-or-die can of state. Which means the victims don't have any other choice but to do it, and if you can get anything within a given period of time, who knows what's to become of the person who fails to meet the target? And this could also be happening like this in different part of the world and not just in Asia.

This has given me another kind of perspective when referring to these scammers. Instead of feeling pity for their scammed victims, I wil also feel guilty for the scammer on the other end, as I don't know what actually pushed them to do it. But whatever the case, scam is scam, and I should feel pity for them, as most of them might have even fine pleasure in doing what they are doing without having any form of remorse.

In the news, they said the behaviour towards those who are stuck is so inhuman that I do not think they might be allowing them to go outside. To some extent, few police officers and some others in high places know about these places, and they might be backing them up. But in the first place, I don't think they will be given the opportunity to move freely, as that's what inhuman means. I feel sorry for those who are stuck, and I pray that they will be free soon.

I felt sad to hear this. I hope these types of scams will come to an end and those who are forced to do them will also be free. It is so hard to digest this information that people are being forced to do such things.

I think even if they have given permission to move freely, they might not be reporting them just because their lives are so dependent on that type of work.

Indeed, they forget to know that their suffering won't end by instigating suffer on someone else. You've made a great point by encouraging civil disobedience on the scam lords. But, we forget that these people are forced to suffer other people, and not everyone have the courage to exit.  Consider the risk of traveling illegally to a different country. A move to the police or leave the house they hide in, can't come to mind. What happens to them if they get thrown out, who is going to accept them. So, their predators, use many con skills on them, torture, starve them, and risk their life in the eyes of the law. UN human rights provided good, but, rare to achieve solution to this, because these scam hubs can be sponsored by connected people. Thereby, knowing how to escape the law enforcement agencies. Moreover, these people are not citizens of the country, the both parties must end up in trouble. In many occasions these slaves are not forced to the house, greed also lands them into such a horrible condition. 

It's the typical issue of people getting trapped into doing the wrong kind of job because of money/rewards. All of them including the overlords, scammers and the scam victims fell victim to the money trap... It's the love of money trap, which billions of people around the world are held captive in like slaves are held captive by their master - Money.

It's incredibly hard to resist this trap. Only very few people out of billions resist it. The rest have been caught and have become part of the Matrix in the hands of a puppet master to run & maintain the system.

It's interesting to note that the puppet master will find it hard to thrive on a decentralized and transparent system. Decentralization weakens his power and transparency exposes their evil. He thrives in darkness of centralized systems where he controls his victims.
They are only able to successfully use crypto because they operate from their centralized darkness,but could easily be exposed on True Cryptocurrency Network where everyone will be monitoring the system for scammers and evil doers. Those caught get bad reputation and everyone will try to avoid them.

This is quite worrying. I hope those who are stuck in such scammers jails will become free soon and that governments will take severe action against them. I mean, the mentioned countries are facing a lot of financial problems, and to face their daily expenses, one or two of the family members from each house or the third house are almost going away to work. How are they going? That's another discussion, but it's really not good to use someone when they are in need of money.

I hope governments will take action, and this information must be spread among loved ones who eagerly wish to go abroad for work while having good jobs here. I hope people will learn about this scam and how they can prevent it.

I did not wish to go abroad, but once I gave an interview in a call center quite a while ago, and there the interviewer asked me to read a script. I read it and explained it to him. But what I did not understand after reading that script is why we have to ask for personal information from others. Then that interviewer said we would use that information to break into their credit or debit cards, and then we would blackmail them to buy our product or use their cards. And I was stunned there after hearing that and tried to report the center, but I did not have any proof at the time. A few days ago, those scammers changed their office and moved to some other place. The point is that these types of people use the talents of others when they need help, either financially or personally. And that is so immoral.

many examples of this in the UK are where some head gang/scam manager sets up a human network of willing participants around the country. (much like the 'county borders' drug dealer network)

where by when scammers contact a victim and do things like saying their bank account has been hacked and the "police" want to send a courier to the victims address to collect their bank card "for evidence" along with driving licence, etc.


its not the head gang/manager of the scam that turns up pretending to be a "police courier" it is instead these willing participant dupes.. the pawns of the scam. and yes these dupes/pawns are usually illegal immigrants. but they also know that they are doing illicit activity.
yes these dupes/pawns are forced to work for scammers. usually they have to pay off their payment for getting them in the country but still they are doing illicit things.

ID is sold on darkweb. bank balances are ATM withdrawn or bank cards used to buy products which are then funnelled up the human network to the master scammer gang

many times when caught they are deported or arrested. because there is no rehab for being a illegal immigrant  
yes its slave labour but also they got into the country illegally so they are stuck unable to legally work so end up having to work for scammers
yes scammers are slave masters.. but what do you expect.. scammers are not known for their compassion/charity

i do believe these pawns should all try to get a lesser sentence plea deals with authorities if they are able to report on their handler.. but they should also know that crime doesnt pay