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legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary

In other words: slower transactions will cost more to send?

he talked about bitshares with 4-6 hours adjustement ... bitcoin would simply be sold off and abandoned if it came to that because 2016 blocks adjustement is two weeks - but only two weeks at normal blocktime. Get the spin?

Network would come to a halt most likely.

My question remains:
does any sudden and harsh drop in hashrate automatically cause this scenario to happen?

Is a single serious set-back in hashrate the end of BTC? Is it really that easy to knock out? OMFG!

What happens when a large pool with let's say 30% of the network has technical problems and just goes offline and hash isn't replaced fast enough? Bitcoin dead?

Looking for some answers here

No, that wouldn't kill Bitcoin because A) most of those miners would point their miners at another pool or solo mine and B) it's usually a safe bet that the pool would come back online eventually. The worst that would happen in that scenario would be an easier (still not easy by any means) shot at a 51% attack.

If we lost a significant amount of hash power just because of miners giving up, then that is a different story. 30% would slow transactions, but the remaining 70% would be able to support the network through a couple of retargets until it equalizes. 60% loss in a few days would be difficult to recover from.
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In other words: slower transactions will cost more to send?

he talked about bitshares with 4-6 hours adjustement ... bitcoin would simply be sold off and abandoned if it came to that because 2016 blocks adjustement is two weeks - but only two weeks at normal blocktime. Get the spin?

Network would come to a halt most likely.

My question remains:
does any sudden and harsh drop in hashrate automatically cause this scenario to happen?

Is a single serious set-back in hashrate the end of BTC? Is it really that easy to knock out? OMFG!

What happens when a large pool with let's say 30% of the network has technical problems and just goes offline and hash isn't replaced fast enough? Bitcoin dead?

Looking for some answers here
legendary
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soon it's not hypothetical anymore.

Question:
what do we do when bitcoin fails?

What is Plan B? Is there a Plan B?
Hint: It starts with "R"  Tongue Tongue

and it ends with "UN"
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The network will became slower, taking more time for each confirmation/block to come.

This happened in some dead old altcoins. Now most use dynamic difficulty adjustment in every block, DGW, KGW, etc.

Last known example was in Protoshares with difficulty adjustment taking several blocks and may be waiting 4-6 hours for a damn block to confirm your transaction.

Clearly people would increment the transaction fee to incentive the miners. Also the amount of transactions in a block would increase because of the decrease in blocks / time incrementing the corresponding additional reward.
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It wouldn't be weeks, each difficulty readjustment period is 2016 blocks regardless of how long each block takes.

fuck. haha

So an asic exodus would in fact mean it's done never to come back ... as difficulty adjustement will take much longer than 2 weeks - further sellofff, further dropout of hashpower and so on. In the end of it everybody stops mining because there's no sense in it ...

wait a second - does this mean any sudden and sharp drop in hashrate automatically kills bitcoin?
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A massive price collapse paired with a massive miner dropout has nearly destroyed Namecoin once.

That is harder to happen with Bitcoin but it's also that much harder to recover from since there are no alternatives and simply limping to the next difficulty adjustment won't help. Namecoin went to merged mining as a solution, so if that happens to Bitcoin it has to go on over several difficulty adjustments, which may never happen if miner dropout continues.
In that case the Blockchain grinds to a halt, with months between blocks until nobody even bothers to store the Blockchain.

Most people here will claim this can never happen.  Tongue
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there is further selloff until no one is willing to buy it! The investors will be looking for alternative altcoin as an investment instrument. Probably some other altcoin will break out and take the place of the bitcoin!
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Would each confirmation take hours?

Only until the next difficulty adjustment.

That would be a wild 2 weeks!
It wouldn't be weeks, each difficulty readjustment period is 2016 blocks regardless of how long each block takes.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
soon it's not hypothetical anymore.

Question:
what do we do when bitcoin fails?

What is Plan B? Is there a Plan B?
Hint: It starts with "R"  Tongue Tongue

(R)un for the exits?

Well, it just can't be Ripple...  Tongue
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soon it's not hypothetical anymore.

Question:
what do we do when bitcoin fails?

What is Plan B? Is there a Plan B?
Hint: It starts with "R"  Tongue Tongue

dogecoin?  Tongue
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soon it's not hypothetical anymore.

Question:
what do we do when bitcoin fails?

What is Plan B? Is there a Plan B?
Hint: It starts with "R"  Tongue Tongue
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soon it's not hypothetical anymore.

Question:
what do we do when bitcoin fails?

What is Plan B? Is there a Plan B?
legendary
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Perhaps the current price decline was manufactured by large farms for the very purpose of lowering difficulty and extending their hardware life-cycle?

no, i don't think so. It's built in with the inflation and also some early investors taking profits of course after 100000% profit ...

Agreed
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Perhaps the current price decline was manufactured by large farms for the very purpose of lowering difficulty and extending their hardware life-cycle?

no, i don't think so. It's built in with the inflation and also some early investors taking profits of course after 100000% profit ...
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What do you think would happen if the massive farms were forced to shutdown due to the price falling apart?


I don't know what would happen in the grand scheme of things, but for me I would dig out my old bitmain u2s and block erupters. I would then solo mine and hope I get lucky  Grin
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Perhaps the current price decline was manufactured by large farms for the very purpose of lowering difficulty and extending their hardware life-cycle?
legendary
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Would each confirmation take hours?

Only until the next difficulty adjustment.

That would be a wild 2 weeks!
legendary
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I doubt that the confirmations would ever take hours, because the big farms simply wouldn't all switch off at the same time.

Some smaller ones might switch off after 2 or 3 days (when their power bill funds ran out), but most would keep running for at least a week or two, and survive on saved funds. Others would scale down their operation gradually. If the price were to drop to $40, there would probably be a smooth decline in hashpower lasting many months.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Would each confirmation take hours?

Only until the next difficulty adjustment.

In 2011, Namecoin was driven up by high hashrate and pretty much abandoned. This caused blocks to take hours and retargets to take months. This is what sparked merged mining because if it wasn't for that, Namecoin would have been a complete failure. There is nothing higher hashrate to merge Bitcoin with. If an ASIC exodus were to happen, it may ruin Bitcoin.
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Would each confirmation take hours?

Only until the next difficulty adjustment.

which takes ages for bitcoin because it has no KGW
To my knowledge it adjusts only every 14 days.

So, yes. Confirmations would take hours then - for the next 14 days at least.

A further selloff could be expected from such a situation starting another death-spiral for bitcoin. It's really good with those negative feedbackloops, isn't it?
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