Topic: I already have a Bank attached with paypal account? Why should we use Bitcoin? (Read 364 times)
August 22, 2019, 01:04:37 AM
Yeah, thanku for this, I think I get to know 90 percent about the difference between of them...
August 20, 2019, 03:08:51 AM
Think of it as an escrow service. Do most escrows work for free? Whilst Paypal fees can be a lot, I'm sure bitcoin escrow fees are pretty similar, but there's always going to be a price to pay for the security they offer. I'd much rather have the security of PayPal with using a new website as I know if there's any issues I'll be able to get my money back. Of course it's that's same loophole that allows fraudsters to flourish but at least I'm not doing anything wrong and I know my money is protected in case of issues.
Even using old services such as bitpay or btcpay do you prefer PayPal?
Bitpay is now demanding kyc, but PayPal requires even more invasive verification. And PayPal is certainly more expensive.
I think it is much better to use cryptocurrencies, because this "custodial service" has many drawbacks (you just don't own your own money and pay very high fees for not owing it, and the risk of being frozen)
Edit: for a customer perspective it may be useful, because PayPal offer more security because you can't be scammed (as Lucius said). If it were may website I would charge 2-5% more on every PayPal payment.
I prefer using PayPal when necessary. It's great for ebay and other such online services. One or two clicks and you don't have to give the site your bank details and you're also protected if anything goes wrong. It's obviously not perfect and every business has to make money but we need payment processors regardless of whether you're using fiat or crypto. Which ones you use is entirely up to you and if there's cheaper/better ones people should vote with action. I haven't sold anything on ebay in years mostly due to their fees, but I still buy lots from there and it's the sellers who have to pay the price of fees not the buyers luckily.
why PP is allow 6 months to buyer to make chargeback? From sellers point of view this is very bad business practice, and one I would never use to sell something.
Well it's the same with Credit Cards. In fact, I think they offer even longer, maybe up to a year or something. I've never had a chargeback happen to me that long after. They're normally within a week or two when the person had claimed an item didn't arrive, but I'm sure PP would require some good reasoning as to why you've only just decided to try the charge-back 6 months later.
August 19, 2019, 08:45:43 PM
Paypal is difference with Bitcoin.
Paypal is online fiat money, price is stable as dollar.
Difference with Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is first cryptocurrency. The Price is fluctuate
Why should we use Bitcoin ?
You can check the History of Bitcoin. How much price when Bitcoin release and how much price Bitcoin now ?
If you send +$100 with paypal, your account will locked if not verified with bank account.
With Bitcoin, limit send money maybe $1000-2500 without bank account. And its just only need KYC verification.
Paypal is online fiat money, price is stable as dollar.
Difference with Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is first cryptocurrency. The Price is fluctuate
Why should we use Bitcoin ?
You can check the History of Bitcoin. How much price when Bitcoin release and how much price Bitcoin now ?
If you send +$100 with paypal, your account will locked if not verified with bank account.
With Bitcoin, limit send money maybe $1000-2500 without bank account. And its just only need KYC verification.
August 19, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
Agree with first point. Second not really, fees can be higher sometimes, depend on transaction traffic.
True. Which makes bitcoin not-so-good for microtransactions and day-to-day transactions as of now(LN is in the works tho). But for a borderless transaction? I'd gladly pay for a unnecessarily high $1-5 tranasction fee rather than paying money transmittance fees that are a lot higher.
August 19, 2019, 04:28:33 PM
I am little confused.. . I have already a bank account/debit card with paypal account. So can anyone please, explain me the benefits of bicoin wallet something else.. .. As I am newbie I am little confused.. .. !! !!
Using Paypal has its own purpose. Considering using bitcoin wallet does also have a purpose.
In other words, the comparison isn't making sense.
For the advantages of having a bitcoin wallet, there are lots of resources on the web about it aside from the responses you got here. It's worth to spend time reading on those to solve your confusion.
August 19, 2019, 12:29:10 PM
- You have full control over your funds, your wallet cannot be frozen/locked.
- Lower fees (much lower).
- Privacy. You don't need to provide your ID in order to use bitcoin.
- No chargebacks.
- Available everywhere. You might have PayPal available in your country, but not everyone does.
Agree with first point. Second not really, fees can be higher sometimes, depend on transaction traffic.- Lower fees (much lower).
- Privacy. You don't need to provide your ID in order to use bitcoin.
- No chargebacks.
- Available everywhere. You might have PayPal available in your country, but not everyone does.
No chargebacks are positive as negative, depends on situation.
Available globally is huge benefit without doubt, the more you have international business or you travel a lot.
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August 19, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
In addition to the useful information above, using bitcoin will give you self satisfaction and an opportunity to try something new and totally different from the usual banking system we're all familiar with. It open door to more opportunities as you subconsciously get attracted to blockchain related business, and research more on how to benefits from the technology. The more you use bitcoin, the more you understand what freedom over your finance is all about and the more you love the technology.
It's also less time consuming and secure since every transaction is verifiable on the blockchain meaning, you aren't obligated to trust any escrow (like the bankers, card service providers etc) to complete a transaction unless you want to.
It's also less time consuming and secure since every transaction is verifiable on the blockchain meaning, you aren't obligated to trust any escrow (like the bankers, card service providers etc) to complete a transaction unless you want to.
August 19, 2019, 10:42:25 AM
Bitpay is now demanding kyc, but PayPal requires even more invasive verification. And PayPal is certainly more expensive.
Big difference is that paypal is a billion dollar company whom i expect has some higher standards for verification procedures and storing them in a secure way than Bitpay has.
Certainly they can be held liable if things go south. With Bitpay, i wouldn't be so sure. They'd simply dissolve or something.
August 19, 2019, 09:36:43 AM
If you sell something, and it is deliver to buyer within a reasonable time, why PP is allow 6 months to buyer to make chargeback?
Mostly due to potential damages and stuff. Also, fraudulent sellers sending in packages with small rocks or pieces of wood was a think in the past. LOL. So I won't blame PayPal in this case.From sellers point of view this is very bad business practice, and one I would never use to sell something.
PayPal definitely treats their sellers really really bad. The thing though is, most sellers have no choice but to accept PayPal even though it's very very bad simply because most buyers are more comfortable with paying with PayPal. 
August 19, 2019, 09:25:47 AM
Think of it as an escrow service. Do most escrows work for free? Whilst Paypal fees can be a lot, I'm sure bitcoin escrow fees are pretty similar, but there's always going to be a price to pay for the security they offer. I'd much rather have the security of PayPal with using a new website as I know if there's any issues I'll be able to get my money back. Of course it's that's same loophole that allows fraudsters to flourish but at least I'm not doing anything wrong and I know my money is protected in case of issues.
Even using old services such as bitpay or btcpay do you prefer PayPal?
Bitpay is now demanding kyc, but PayPal requires even more invasive verification. And PayPal is certainly more expensive.
I think it is much better to use cryptocurrencies, because this "custodial service" has many drawbacks (you just don't own your own money and pay very high fees for not owing it, and the risk of being frozen)
Edit: for a customer perspective it may be useful, because PayPal offer more security because you can't be scammed (as Lucius said). If it were may website I would charge 2-5% more on every PayPal payment.
August 19, 2019, 08:15:17 AM
And not to mention that pretty much most websites accepts PayPal too, so we don't have much choice at the moment besides entering your credit/debit card information to these websites.
I have extra bank card which I use only for PayPal, and that card is always empty - in case I need to buy something with PayPal I just transfer some money to that account. There is no need to enter any data in any site from which we need to buy something with PP, only place I need to enter my card data (once per valid card) is PayPal site. After that in case of buying something and selecting PP as option, site is just redirect you to PP site where you need to log-in and make payment.
As a previous online business owner that sells random stuff, PayPal has always been a headache not only for me but for a good chunk of online sellers out there.
This is bad side of PP, but only for sellers, some people just play dirty and I think PP should protect sellers to the same extent as buyers. If you sell something, and it is deliver to buyer within a reasonable time, why PP is allow 6 months to buyer to make chargeback? From sellers point of view this is very bad business practice, and one I would never use to sell something.
August 19, 2019, 08:01:53 AM
Do people still use PayPal? I gave up when PayPal itself tried to scam me to boost their profits, and I realised that there is a 6 month confirmation time on a PayPal payment. You can lose the funds within that window for a whole load of unreasonable ( in my opinion ) reasons.
A Bitcoin payment is fast and secure, and cannot be reversed to boost some banker's profits.
A Bitcoin payment is fast and secure, and cannot be reversed to boost some banker's profits.
PayPal, as well as payment processors (including bitcoin based ones) have their place, especially regarding payment protection. Do you use ebay? Pretty much impossible to use it without it really, and I really wouldn't like to buy something from certain sellers without some sort of third party protection. Same goes for certain bitcoin purchases. Of course in an ideal world we wouldn't need them but sadly we do.
I don't understand how can someone pay 2- 5% fees for every payment made or received and ask "why should I use anything else?"
Don't people believe in math?
Op, you shouldn't be using PayPal at all, they are just robbing you with abusive fees.
Don't people believe in math?
Op, you shouldn't be using PayPal at all, they are just robbing you with abusive fees.
Think of it as an escrow service. Do most escrows work for free? Whilst Paypal fees can be a lot, I'm sure bitcoin escrow fees are pretty similar, but there's always going to be a price to pay for the security they offer. I'd much rather have the security of PayPal with using a new website as I know if there's any issues I'll be able to get my money back. Of course it's that's same loophole that allows fraudsters to flourish but at least I'm not doing anything wrong and I know my money is protected in case of issues.
August 19, 2019, 07:10:46 AM
There are so many advantages of using bitcoin against bank and PayPal, aside the fact that you have total control of your found you are also saved the stress of documentations and third party involvement in your financial dealing, less fees and trance border transactions within seconds.
August 19, 2019, 06:35:23 AM
I don't understand how can someone pay 2- 5% fees for every payment made or received and ask "why should I use anything else?"
Don't people believe in math?
Op, you shouldn't be using PayPal at all, they are just robbing you with abusive fees.
Don't people believe in math?
Op, you shouldn't be using PayPal at all, they are just robbing you with abusive fees.
August 19, 2019, 06:26:16 AM
Do people still use PayPal?
Yes, freelancers who works for clients that are not aware of bitcoin still use it.I've read several experiences on how bad the service of PayPal. It's true and I can second those comments that they can lock your account without any reason. Personally, I have bad experience with them too but their support helped me out but that stopped me using their service.
PayPal to bank account takes time 2-3 days or more than that. While transfer for bitcoin to bitcoin wallets only takes few minutes and if you want to cash out through exchanges directly to your bank account, it would also take less time.
August 19, 2019, 05:22:29 AM
I did not use PayPal for long time, but this method of payment still has its advantages especially if viewed from a customer perspective.
And not to mention that pretty much most websites accepts PayPal too, so we don't have much choice at the moment besides entering your credit/debit card information to these websites.But there are very dishonest buyers who try to cheat sellers and take their money back, even though they got what they ordered.
As a previous online business owner that sells random stuff, PayPal has always been a headache not only for me but for a good chunk of online sellers out there. Out of nowhere your PayPal business account is locked and PayPal refuses to give any reasoning whatsoever. And don't forget those chargebacks even though you provided a tracking number. PayPal sides with the buyers like 99% of the time regardless if the buyer is just spewing BS to get his/her money back. August 19, 2019, 04:58:23 AM
Do people still use PayPal?
I did not use PayPal for long time, but this method of payment still has its advantages especially if viewed from a customer perspective. PayPal provides very good protection for buyers, there is no way seller can take your money and send you nothing, or trick you in any way. But there are very dishonest buyers who try to cheat sellers and take their money back, even though they got what they ordered.
Bitcoin has all of the above benefits, but when you click send there is no way to reverse transaction, so the possibility of fraud is very high when it comes to trading between individuals. On this forum users can use escrows and in this way protect themselves, but outside of forum paying with Bitcoin is still very risky.
August 19, 2019, 04:53:18 AM
Thanks jet cash for giving relevent answer. And rest other too. Nice. I think experience members give nice information in this forum.
August 19, 2019, 04:33:06 AM
Do people still use PayPal? I gave up when PayPal itself tried to scam me to boost their profits, and I realised that there is a 6 month confirmation time on a PayPal payment. You can lose the funds within that window for a whole load of unreasonable ( in my opinion ) reasons.
A Bitcoin payment is fast and secure, and cannot be reversed to boost some banker's profits.
A Bitcoin payment is fast and secure, and cannot be reversed to boost some banker's profits.
August 19, 2019, 04:18:40 AM
1. PayPal can lock your account for no reason, with no explanation at all. This is a lot more common than you think. No one can lock up your bitcoin wallet(assuming you're using a non-custodial wallet).
2. If you sell stuff online and the buyer pays you with PayPal, he/she can do a charge back if you sold him something digital, and you're simply screwed.
3. Cross-border transactions with banks are very expensive. Bitcoin doesn't care about the distance between the sender and receiver.
4. Inflation with fiat money.
5. Central banks can fuck up the economy may it be through corruption or mismanagement.
6. Assuming you're using a non-custodial wallet, KYC is not needed. You can have as much wallets as you want and you can send and receive bitcoin as much as you want.
7. Though unlikely with countries like the United States, you're screwed when economic crisis occurs. Take a look at Venezuela.
and best thing of all..
8. You can proudly and boastfully call yourself a technology investor and a fintech enthusiast. lol
2. If you sell stuff online and the buyer pays you with PayPal, he/she can do a charge back if you sold him something digital, and you're simply screwed.
3. Cross-border transactions with banks are very expensive. Bitcoin doesn't care about the distance between the sender and receiver.
4. Inflation with fiat money.
5. Central banks can fuck up the economy may it be through corruption or mismanagement.
6. Assuming you're using a non-custodial wallet, KYC is not needed. You can have as much wallets as you want and you can send and receive bitcoin as much as you want.
7. Though unlikely with countries like the United States, you're screwed when economic crisis occurs. Take a look at Venezuela.
and best thing of all..
8. You can proudly and boastfully call yourself a technology investor and a fintech enthusiast. lol
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