I am a pro-Core, pro-Segwit small blocker who has a hard decision about BCC

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Quote from: kokojie on August 15, 2017, 01:24:06 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 14, 2017, 09:28:31 PM

Quote from: kokojie on August 13, 2017, 11:09:55 PM

"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

Anti-Satoshi? No, I am pro-decentralization and anti-Bitmain. Are you a pro-Bitmain? Are you willing to accept the network to become controlled by a small group of Chinese miners whose real goal is only to make money?

What do you think of Asic Boost? Do you agree with that?

And who are the BSegwit miners? oh wait, it's the same Chinese miners, what the hell is your point? Chinese miners mining BCash is suddenly evil, but the same miners mining BSegwit is good? They are actually just switching back and forth between the chains now, because PoW miners have no loyalty, they follow where the profit is.

Did I say they were evil? All I said was they are trying to make a profit and does not care about the network. The reason why they do not want Segwit is because the next step will be a layer like Lightning, and an offchain scaling solution like it will be a threat on their profit model.

But we all know some of the Chinese miners have connived together to fork and create BitcoinCash. Good, then everyone is happy. Why keep fighting the people that want small blocks and offchain scaling? We should be at peace.

This thread is about deciding if I should keep my BCC or not. Please stop the hate.

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Quote from: kokojie on August 15, 2017, 01:24:06 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 14, 2017, 09:28:31 PM

Quote from: kokojie on August 13, 2017, 11:09:55 PM

"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

Anti-Satoshi? No, I am pro-decentralization and anti-Bitmain. Are you a pro-Bitmain? Are you willing to accept the network to become controlled by a small group of Chinese miners whose real goal is only to make money?

What do you think of Asic Boost? Do you agree with that?

And who are the BSegwit miners? oh wait, it's the same Chinese miners, what the hell is your point? Chinese miners mining BCash is suddenly evil, but the same miners mining BSegwit is good? They are actually just switching back and forth between the chains now, because PoW miners have no loyalty, they follow where the profit is.

In the minds of some people, if others do not do as they tell them, these people are evil. I think the miners are just chasing profit, like you and me.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 14, 2017, 09:28:31 PM

Quote from: kokojie on August 13, 2017, 11:09:55 PM

"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

Anti-Satoshi? No, I am pro-decentralization and anti-Bitmain. Are you a pro-Bitmain? Are you willing to accept the network to become controlled by a small group of Chinese miners whose real goal is only to make money?

What do you think of Asic Boost? Do you agree with that?

And who are the BSegwit miners? oh wait, it's the same Chinese miners, what the hell is your point? Chinese miners mining BCash is suddenly evil, but the same miners mining BSegwit is good? They are actually just switching back and forth between the chains now, because PoW miners have no loyalty, they follow where the profit is.

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Quote from: kokojie on August 13, 2017, 11:09:55 PM

"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

first of all Satoshi created bitcoin, he doesn't control it the decentralized mechanisms and consensus does. and so far all of it is behind SegWit and that means the chain with SegWit is bitcoin and all the rest of them are altcoins and "abominations".

secondly, bitcoin cash with its 8 MB block size is going to cause a lot more problems than it plans on solving. you may see empty blocks, low fees, fast transactions now and feel happy, but that happiness is an illusion the same illusion that altcoin users have and think their altcoin is scalable just because it processes 1/1000 of total daily bitcoin transactions! but in reality their altcion fails as soon as it reaches 1/100 of total daily bitcoin transactions.

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Quote from: kokojie on August 13, 2017, 11:09:55 PM

"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

Anti-Satoshi? No, I am pro-decentralization and anti-Bitmain. Are you a pro-Bitmain? Are you willing to accept the network to become controlled by a small group of Chinese miners whose real goal is only to make money?

What do you think of Asic Boost? Do you agree with that?

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Quote from: kokojie on August 13, 2017, 11:09:55 PM

"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

Thanks for your opinion , it's so enlighten for me personally ,
Decentralization is one of important thing that makes bitcoin special as a currency, i feel it ,
And for the records i have sold all my bitcoin cash in my wallet as i don't feel really need it ,
All i need to keep an eye on the real bitcoin , not an altcoin like that one.

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"pro-Core, pro-Segwit", so you are anti-Satoshi? I signed up for Satoshi's Bitcoin, a "P2P electronic cash system". Not a Bitcoin that requires 3rd party permission (lightning network), to transact.

BCash is really the original Bitcoin with simple scaling implemented.

BSegwit is an abomination to me, a centralized elitist altcoin that has very little to do with the original Bitcoin now. Sure it's going up in price all the time, that's cool, but it ain't Bitcoin, it's BSegwit altcoin based on Bitcoin and uses Bitcoin blockchain as its transaction history.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on August 12, 2017, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 12, 2017, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: striker7334 2.0 on August 10, 2017, 12:14:37 AM

I tend to agree with most people on this forum, a huge pump is inevitably coming for BCC I cant say when but like everyone else here I can see the miners switching chains with the snap of their fingers if Core doesn't get onboard with 2MB block scenario.

There is more incentive for the Core developers to keep fighting the hard fork to Segwit2x because the miners are gaining more leverage with BitcoinCash around. They need to keep their control as stewards of the network. If Segwit2x is a success and becomes the main chain, Core is thrown out and left out.

I am afraid we are headed for another hard fork. Jihan Wu and Bitmain, along with BitPay and Coinbase are just a few of the 58 companies that signed the NYA. They seem willing to throw out the Core developers in favor of Jeff Garzik's btc1. I would not bet against Bitmain not following through on their commitment.

That would be stupid because the miners might affect the profitability of their mining operations once again. There are rumors that Bitmain is also behind the "unknown miner" in BitcoinCash who is mining at a loss.

Also if it really forks again, what will happen to BitcoinCash? The risk and effort they put in it will be for nothing.

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Quote from: FiendCoin on August 12, 2017, 10:35:30 PM

bcash is losing ground vs. Bitcoin.

Clearly the vast majority of Bitcoin users don't give a shit about that trash.

I'd get out while you can before it plummets.

so has every other alt including ones that have been around for years.

let's see a stable bitcoin before declaring it dead.

but it certainly is trash no matters what happens.

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Quote from: FiendCoin on August 12, 2017, 10:35:30 PM

bcash is losing ground vs. Bitcoin.

Clearly the vast majority of Bitcoin users don't give a shit about that trash.

I'd get out while you can before it plummets.

It has already plummeted. It is less than 0.08 BTC, which is quite a drop. A lot of people, even those who do not have confidence in the coin, hope that it could rebound or be pumped. That would be a good time to exit.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on August 12, 2017, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 12, 2017, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: striker7334 2.0 on August 10, 2017, 12:14:37 AM

I tend to agree with most people on this forum, a huge pump is inevitably coming for BCC I cant say when but like everyone else here I can see the miners switching chains with the snap of their fingers if Core doesn't get onboard with 2MB block scenario.

There is more incentive for the Core developers to keep fighting the hard fork to Segwit2x because the miners are gaining more leverage with BitcoinCash around. They need to keep their control as stewards of the network. If Segwit2x is a success and becomes the main chain, Core is thrown out and left out.

I am afraid we are headed for another hard fork. Jihan Wu and Bitmain, along with BitPay and Coinbase are just a few of the 58 companies that signed the NYA. They seem willing to throw out the Core developers in favor of Jeff Garzik's btc1. I would not bet against Bitmain not following through on their commitment.

Bitmain has already broken the agreement via its proxie viabtc with the bcash hard fork. Clearly Jihan has no honor and I see no reason why any western company should honor the agreement. The question is how bad does Jihan want to replace the core devs, will he kill the golden goose to get his way?

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 12, 2017, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: striker7334 2.0 on August 10, 2017, 12:14:37 AM

I tend to agree with most people on this forum, a huge pump is inevitably coming for BCC I cant say when but like everyone else here I can see the miners switching chains with the snap of their fingers if Core doesn't get onboard with 2MB block scenario.

There is more incentive for the Core developers to keep fighting the hard fork to Segwit2x because the miners are gaining more leverage with BitcoinCash around. They need to keep their control as stewards of the network. If Segwit2x is a success and becomes the main chain, Core is thrown out and left out.

I am afraid we are headed for another hard fork. Jihan Wu and Bitmain, along with BitPay and Coinbase are just a few of the 58 companies that signed the NYA. They seem willing to throw out the Core developers in favor of Jeff Garzik's btc1. I would not bet against Bitmain not following through on their commitment.

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The devil is in the detail.

bcash is losing ground vs. Bitcoin.

Clearly the vast majority of Bitcoin users don't give a shit about that trash.

I'd get out while you can before it plummets.

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Quote from: striker7334 2.0 on August 10, 2017, 12:14:37 AM

I tend to agree with most people on this forum, a huge pump is inevitably coming for BCC I cant say when but like everyone else here I can see the miners switching chains with the snap of their fingers if Core doesn't get onboard with 2MB block scenario.

There is more incentive for the Core developers to keep fighting the hard fork to Segwit2x because the miners are gaining more leverage with BitcoinCash around. They need to keep their control as stewards of the network. If Segwit2x is a success and becomes the main chain, Core is thrown out and left out.

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Quote from: gentlemand on August 12, 2017, 01:13:25 PM

Quote from: The_Dark_Knight on August 12, 2017, 12:25:41 PM

While you are correct the problem is that this has stop being a discussion about the merits of a proposal for a very long time, this is personal, and this is about the miners trying to get control of bitcoin so when seen in that light it makes perfect sense they are willing to take the risk

Nope. I don't buy it. You don't get personal by risking your countless millions of investment and turnover on fire with shittily put together one and zeroes. They may be malicious but I refuse to believe they're that reckless.

Core have officially partitioned themselves. That's hundreds of minds versus a handful and that handful is under serious pressure to knock anything out. It won't be good enough.

I believe more in Bitcoin and I do not want to Even look towards the double, and I'm concerned about what happened, because the split crypto currency will only go to the detriment of all users.

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Quote from: The_Dark_Knight on August 12, 2017, 12:25:41 PM

While you are correct the problem is that this has stop being a discussion about the merits of a proposal for a very long time, this is personal, and this is about the miners trying to get control of bitcoin so when seen in that light it makes perfect sense they are willing to take the risk

Nope. I don't buy it. You don't get personal by risking your countless millions of investment and turnover on fire with shittily put together one and zeroes. They may be malicious but I refuse to believe they're that reckless.

Core have officially partitioned themselves. That's hundreds of minds versus a handful and that handful is under serious pressure to knock anything out. It won't be good enough.

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Quote from: gentlemand on August 10, 2017, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: FiendCoin on August 10, 2017, 12:18:50 AM

The core developers cant stop the hardfork, only miners backing out of the agreement can.

And there's a very good chance they will. Segwit was production ready regardless of how anyone feels about it. As far as I can tell no one's seen 2X code yet outside of the little bunch of fellas making it. I don't think miners are bonkers enough to pin all their investments on something so rushed from a bunch of unknowns.

While you are correct the problem is that this has stop being a discussion about the merits of a proposal for a very long time, this is personal, and this is about the miners trying to get control of bitcoin so when seen in that light it makes perfect sense they are willing to take the risk

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 08, 2017, 11:16:26 PM

I have my BCC ready in Bittex for selling but when I was checking the BitcoinCash community, they were all very optimistic about the chances of BitcoinCash to become one of the most successful coins in the world of cryptocurrencies.

Now I am thinking of holding them instead. I want to know what would you do? Hold or sell, and why?

Make your own damn decisions. Don't just let others baby feed you propaganda and BS.

Of course if you asked me i would tell you that bitcoin cash is just an average altcoin with a sizeable airdrop, and most of its value derives from people who hold a lot of bitcoins. But i'm biased as well, everyone is.

If you ask bitcoin cash community what they think about bitcoin cash, of course they are going to say that bitcoin cash is good.

If you want to hold your bitcoin cash, go ahead. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. I think the ratio between bitcoin and bitcoin cash will only widen as time passes.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 10, 2017, 09:59:04 PM

Quote from: gentlemand on August 10, 2017, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: FiendCoin on August 10, 2017, 12:18:50 AM

The core developers cant stop the hardfork, only miners backing out of the agreement can.

And there's a very good chance they will. Segwit was production ready regardless of how anyone feels about it. As far as I can tell no one's seen 2X code yet outside of the little bunch of fellas making it. I don't think miners are bonkers enough to pin all their investments on something so rushed from a bunch of unknowns.

Yes, that will only hurt the Chinese miner's investments more. But with BitcoinCash around, maybe they would be willing to let go of Segwit2x and slowly start supporting BCC. I believe both could become successful in their own way and make more people rich in their progression.

we can only hope that people start looking at the "long term profit" instead of what they can earn in a short term at the cost of harming the whole system and worst of all opening way for the competition to become bigger and take the market out of their hands.
we have seen in the past months how the altcoins got pumped and now the only reason some of them are still staying up is because of the problems in bitcoin.

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Quote from: gentlemand on August 10, 2017, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: FiendCoin on August 10, 2017, 12:18:50 AM

The core developers cant stop the hardfork, only miners backing out of the agreement can.

And there's a very good chance they will. Segwit was production ready regardless of how anyone feels about it. As far as I can tell no one's seen 2X code yet outside of the little bunch of fellas making it. I don't think miners are bonkers enough to pin all their investments on something so rushed from a bunch of unknowns.

Yes, that will only hurt the Chinese miner's investments more. But with BitcoinCash around, maybe they would be willing to let go of Segwit2x and slowly start supporting BCC. I believe both could become successful in their own way and make more people rich in their progression.

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