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Topic: I am new,looking to start mining. (Read 2991 times)

hero member
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
September 04, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
#56
I am not so experienced, but as far i know BTC mining is almost dead. So think about BTC trading instead of mining.

It seems absurd to claim that mining is dead when the network hash rate is around 240 PH/s.

Of course mining isn't dead. It's indeed absurd that people claim this. For the network itself it doesn't matter at all what the hash rate is. When people say that mining is dead, most intend to say that mining for profit is futile for the regular person doing it in his basement. Which is mostly true. The margins are getting smaller and smaller and only the very big operations survive.
Still, if this makes a lot of mining unprofitable and the hash rate indeed goes down, it effectively becomes profitable gain. It's self-regulating - beautiful!
hero member
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
September 04, 2014, 10:35:18 AM
#55
whats with everyone wanting to mine? just buy it and hold onto it, and you`ll be in more profit then the miners.

A lot of people who are new to Bitcoin are attracted by the fact that you can create wealth by letting your computer perform arithmetic calculations. It's interesting, effectively money for nothing. They also don't get that the difficulty increases exponentially and therefore assume they'll get thousands of USD every month and will be millionaires in a few years time.

What makes the problem worse is that, they can find some out of date mining tutorials and analyses, in which they can get a lot of bitcoin using just ordinary computers and USB miners.

There are also still tutorials or summaries of Bitcoin that suggest Mt. Gox as a Bitcoin exchange, which obviously isn't a very good idea nowadays! The basics stayed the same, but the whole ecosystem is moving so fast that things become obsolete practically over night.
sr. member
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September 04, 2014, 10:10:11 AM
#54
I am not so experienced, but as far i know BTC mining is almost dead. So think about BTC trading instead of mining.

It seems absurd to claim that mining is dead when the network hash rate is around 240 PH/s.

Mining isn't dead, but mining for home user is..
newbie
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September 04, 2014, 10:03:00 AM
#53
Thanks, great informational thread for a newbie like myself  Smiley
hero member
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better everyday ♥
September 04, 2014, 09:18:21 AM
#52
I am not so experienced, but as far i know BTC mining at home is almost dead. So think about BTC trading buying and hodling instead of mining.

Fixed that for you.   Grin

And there endeth the lesson.
legendary
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September 03, 2014, 11:47:52 PM
#51
I am not so experienced, but as far i know BTC mining is almost dead. So think about BTC trading instead of mining.

It seems absurd to claim that mining is dead when the network hash rate is around 240 PH/s.
sr. member
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September 03, 2014, 08:12:42 PM
#50
If you are into miners, look into antminers, but understand mining in general is pretty brutal now.
newbie
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September 03, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
#49
I am not so experienced, but as far i know BTC mining is almost dead. So think about BTC trading instead of mining.
full member
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September 03, 2014, 11:49:18 AM
#48
each investment must have a risk, whether high risk or low risk, depending now we want to choose between these investments, at this time if we do not have substantial funds, perhaps we should invest our funds are low-risk investment ...  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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September 03, 2014, 01:35:52 AM
#47
whats with everyone wanting to mine? just buy it and hold onto it, and you`ll be in more profit then the miners.

A lot of people who are new to Bitcoin are attracted by the fact that you can create wealth by letting your computer perform arithmetic calculations. It's interesting, effectively money for nothing. They also don't get that the difficulty increases exponentially and therefore assume they'll get thousands of USD every month and will be millionaires in a few years time.

What makes the problem worse is that, they can find some out of date mining tutorials and analyses, in which they can get a lot of bitcoin using just ordinary computers and USB miners.

Agree, too many outdated tutorial make it feels like bitcoin is so easily mined. Even my friends told me its easy to get ton of BTC while they didn't even know what is ASIC.
hero member
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September 02, 2014, 11:17:28 PM
#46
whats with everyone wanting to mine? just buy it and hold onto it, and you`ll be in more profit then the miners.

A lot of people who are new to Bitcoin are attracted by the fact that you can create wealth by letting your computer perform arithmetic calculations. It's interesting, effectively money for nothing. They also don't get that the difficulty increases exponentially and therefore assume they'll get thousands of USD every month and will be millionaires in a few years time.

What makes the problem worse is that, they can find some out of date mining tutorials and analyses, in which they can get a lot of bitcoin using just ordinary computers and USB miners.
hero member
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better everyday ♥
September 02, 2014, 04:03:44 PM
#45
Don't spend $3500 on a miner, you'll never recoup that money back in BTC or fiat barring an amazing price spike in the next few months.

Mine for fun instead.  Mine to learn new tech, to play around with hardware/software, and to say to all your friends "I'm Bitcoin mining!"

Here's what you do.  You buy $3000 worth of BTC and sit on it until the eventual price spike to the moon.  The other $500, buy an Antminer S3+ and power supply and go to town tweaking, overclocking, cooling, and find ways to wire and host it without tripping over it in your house.  After about 3-4 months, sell the S3+ and psu for BTC to recoup some of your fun losses.

That's all you need to do, and you'll be happier and healthier of mind.

And then check back on the BTC price by 2016 or so, it'll be worth it!   Cool
hero member
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
September 02, 2014, 03:50:07 PM
#44
whats with everyone wanting to mine? just buy it and hold onto it, and you`ll be in more profit then the miners.

A lot of people who are new to Bitcoin are attracted by the fact that you can create wealth by letting your computer perform arithmetic calculations. It's interesting, effectively money for nothing. They also don't get that the difficulty increases exponentially and therefore assume they'll get thousands of USD every month and will be millionaires in a few years time.
sr. member
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September 02, 2014, 10:39:01 AM
#43
whats with everyone wanting to mine? just buy it and hold onto it, and you`ll be in more profit then the miners.
legendary
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September 02, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
#42
So for a newbie to look into buying a miner and start mining would not be a viable idea?

If you wanted to own some gold, would you mine it or buy it?

As a newbie, mining it would take a lot of time, effort, and money and you would only find a tiny bit. Bitcoin is the same.

On the other hand, an experienced gold miner could probably do ok. Bitcoin is the same.

Experience gold miner could go broke also if market condition is bad.

They have long term capital cost tied up to the operation that is not easy to sell and liquidate.


It is true never bet the house so to speak.  I love mining, and am lucky to have decent electricity price and lots of space.  So I will keep mining.

I hate how people try to scare people away from mining.  But i do agree there is a need for quick BTC when buying comes in nicely, or if BTC takes a drop and you can buy in.  But at least do ROI calculations before saying no mining to your situation. 
full member
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September 01, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
#41
So for a newbie to look into buying a miner and start mining would not be a viable idea?

If you wanted to own some gold, would you mine it or buy it?

As a newbie, mining it would take a lot of time, effort, and money and you would only find a tiny bit. Bitcoin is the same.

On the other hand, an experienced gold miner could probably do ok. Bitcoin is the same.

Experience gold miner could go broke also if market condition is bad.

They have long term capital cost tied up to the operation that is not easy to sell and liquidate.
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 3391
September 01, 2014, 08:01:38 PM
#40
So for a newbie to look into buying a miner and start mining would not be a viable idea?

If you wanted to own some gold, would you mine it or buy it?

As a newbie, mining it would take a lot of time, effort, and money and you would only find a tiny bit. Bitcoin is the same.

On the other hand, an experienced gold miner could probably do ok. Bitcoin is the same.
DrG
legendary
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Merit: 1035
September 01, 2014, 05:56:21 PM
#39
Perhaps you could buy bitcoins and get some Ghs from Cloudmining (PB mining or cloudhashers), it's much easier and faster than running own mining rig. could be


While doing more doesn't necessarily mean more profit, taking shortcuts DOES mean more loss.  Cloud mining is inherently risky unless you can be assured that the company is legitimate.   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/advice-for-new-users-regarding-cloud-mining-739510


Beyond that the contracts are not competitive compared to buying hardware.
legendary
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no need to carry heavy money bags anymore
September 01, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
#38
Perhaps you could buy bitcoins and get some Ghs from Cloudmining (PB mining or cloudhashers), it's much easier and faster than running own mining rig. could be
hero member
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September 01, 2014, 01:51:04 PM
#37
So for a newbie to look into buying a miner and start mining would not be a viable idea?

If you just heard from somewhere else that you can get rich from mining, it is definitely a bad idea.

If you have done enough research and understand how difficulty changes, how much you can get from the miner and how much you need to pay for electricity, you should be able to answer the question yourself. Smiley
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