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Topic: I am selling half of my Bitcoin holdings because of Ghash - page 3. (Read 4328 times)

sr. member
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i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm


well, because most people (at least here) love bitcoin mainly because it's supposedly decentralized. when you put power in the hands of the corrupt, then there will be.. corruption.

a lot of people complain about status quo economics.. at least most here.

what happened to the USD when it became centralized?  did it's value go up or down?

-bm


U.S. currency has always been centralized.. at least from the date that they started using paper notes. so how do we know when the value has gone up or down? and if you even want to talk about when the federal reserve was instituted, then $1 at that time was worth a lot more than $1 today.


good point, but inflation aside- centralization means better security.

-bm

better security? yeah, probably for those who are controlling it. meanwhile, the others who are not involved in the decision making are the ones beholden to it.
hero member
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i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm


well, because most people (at least here) love bitcoin mainly because it's supposedly decentralized. when you put power in the hands of the corrupt, then there will be.. corruption.

a lot of people complain about status quo economics.. at least most here.

what happened to the USD when it became centralized?  did it's value go up or down?

-bm


U.S. currency has always been centralized.. at least from the date that they started using paper notes. so how do we know when the value has gone up or down? and if you even want to talk about when the federal reserve was instituted, then $1 at that time was worth a lot more than $1 today.


good point, but inflation aside- centralization means better security.

-bm

No it doesn't.
Take a look at the banking sector for example.
Constant improvement of the protocol does mean better security.
sr. member
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bluemeanie
i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm


well, because most people (at least here) love bitcoin mainly because it's supposedly decentralized. when you put power in the hands of the corrupt, then there will be.. corruption.

a lot of people complain about status quo economics.. at least most here.

what happened to the USD when it became centralized?  did it's value go up or down?

-bm


U.S. currency has always been centralized.. at least from the date that they started using paper notes. so how do we know when the value has gone up or down? and if you even want to talk about when the federal reserve was instituted, then $1 at that time was worth a lot more than $1 today.


good point, but inflation aside- centralization means better security.

-bm
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm


well, because most people (at least here) love bitcoin mainly because it's supposedly decentralized. when you put power in the hands of the corrupt, then there will be.. corruption.

a lot of people complain about status quo economics.. at least most here.

what happened to the USD when it became centralized?  did it's value go up or down?

-bm


U.S. currency has always been centralized.. at least from the date that they started using paper notes. so how do we know when the value has gone up or down? and if you even want to talk about when the federal reserve was instituted, then $1 at that time was worth a lot more than $1 today.
sr. member
Activity: 280
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bluemeanie
i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm


well, because most people (at least here) love bitcoin mainly because it's supposedly decentralized. when you put power in the hands of the corrupt, then there will be.. corruption.

a lot of people complain about status quo economics.. at least most here.

what happened to the USD when it became centralized?  did it's value go up or down?

-bm
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm


well, because most people (at least here) love bitcoin mainly because it's supposedly decentralized. when you put power in the hands of the corrupt, then there will be.. corruption.

a lot of people complain about status quo economics.. at least most here.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 257
bluemeanie
i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.

so far, we have yet to perfect Monetary Theory itself.  There are many different schools of thought (primarily the Austrians and the Keynesian), thus why would we assume that we need to some kind of perfect theory of cryptocoins to have a usable one?  Fact is Bitcoin offers features no other technology does.  I think there are room for innovations, but there is nothing compelling out there at the moment.

-bm
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i'm thinking it's impossible to make a completely decentralized cryptocurrency. the game changes, and if you don't have people who fix the issues to address those changes, then the crypto will just die out. hopefully there's a way to do it, and someone innovative will come along.. but at present i don't think it's possible.
sr. member
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bluemeanie
My god! People, what happens will happen! GHash is at what, 31% right now? Is it really still a threat? If there's a 51% attack, it happens! That's not going to change anything. But please follow the majority, and see were that gets ya. No ones holding you back, and I don't get why you had to publicly state this. Just do it.

It's about getting others to panic sell.

absolutely.  there has been several attempts at this in the past few weeks.

-bm
sr. member
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bluemeanie
why do we keep seeing announcements that people are getting OUT, while big names are clearly going IN?

-bm

The big names (Expedia, Overstock, King's College, etc) are indeed *GETTING IN*

But do you think they're accumulating and holding their Bitcoins?  Or cashing them out to fiat?  

I can guarantee you - 100% - that expedia is not in the business of holding Bitcoins as investment. They're cashing them out.  It's a payment method for their customers, not an investment for them. That's a huge difference.


for those businesses to accept BTC the price must be stabilized.  If it is stabilized, it is a good investment- especially when it is low(as it is right now).

seems to me what is going on is a program to get small hands out, and big hands in so they can run it up(past $1000?).

pretty much all the indicators that actually matter are saying Bitcoin is about to boom, meanwhile all the cheap, disposable and transient indicators are saying the opposite.

-bm
hero member
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How many coins are we talking about and at what price are you willing to part with them?

Funny nobody else asked that.
The guy want's to dump coins and you don't want it?
sr. member
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My god! People, what happens will happen! GHash is at what, 31% right now? Is it really still a threat? If there's a 51% attack, it happens! That's not going to change anything. But please follow the majority, and see were that gets ya. No ones holding you back, and I don't get why you had to publicly state this. Just do it.

It's about getting others to panic sell.
newbie
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Please sell all your BTC.

The paranoid faction who continue to despair over Ghash are the very reason BTC is being held back.

BTC needs strong hands not overly obsessive, I'll informed, paranoid, get rich quick, freedom fighters.

Don't you see  that you would be sending a much stronger supportive message by holding your BTC than throwing your toys out of the pram at every opportunity?

Nothing happened, Ghash are not the enemy, they have invested far more than you and have no incentive to destroy that investment.

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It's because Bitcoin is mined by ASIC's, which are controlled by large ASIC farms, which are controlled by a few individuals.

Bitcoin would be much better if it was still GPU/CPU only.

I agree
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why do we keep seeing announcements that people are getting OUT, while big names are clearly going IN?

-bm

The big names (Expedia, Overstock, King's College, etc) are indeed *GETTING IN*

But do you think they're accumulating and holding their Bitcoins?  Or cashing them out to fiat?  

I can guarantee you - 100% - that expedia is not in the business of holding Bitcoins as investment. They're cashing them out.  It's a payment method for their customers, not an investment for them. That's a huge difference.

I'm not *GETTING OUT* of Bitcoin at all.  I'm not selling my businesses; in fact I'm launching new Bitcoin sites.  I'm just not willing to hold a huge amount of my net worth (I don't use banks at all) in Bitcoin when a 51% attack could seriously damage the currency; even the threat of a 51% attack is bad enough to undermine my confidence in it.  

And, again, it's not just a financial decision, but an ideological one as well.  I don't want to be fully invested in centralized decentralized currency!
hero member
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My god! People, what happens will happen! GHash is at what, 31% right now? Is it really still a threat? If there's a 51% attack, it happens! That's not going to change anything. But please follow the majority, and see were that gets ya. No ones holding you back, and I don't get why you had to publicly state this. Just do it.
Its about sending a message  Wink

Given that 20% of the network is unknown 31% is still a threat.  Bitcoin should be completely trustless

And we've explored approx. 7% of the ocean's floor, but you don't see me hopping to Canada because I think that that unknown piece will kill me.

What if it turns out it's not a threat, and he's the next person saying, "Sold out when I should've just stayed in"? Not trying to hold him in, but I see talking and not doing.
sr. member
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bluemeanie
why do we keep seeing announcements that people are getting OUT, while big names are clearly going IN?

-bm
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Write code instead of crying and making demands of other people.
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Aside from creating this thread, you'll be the only one who gets the message you're trying to send.  You'll be in your house, alone, in your room, pressing the button, and the New York Times wont know.  And the Bitcoin Core dev team won't know.  And nothing will change, except you'll be 50% less bitcoin rich. 

-B-
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It's because Bitcoin is mined by ASIC's, which are controlled by large ASIC farms, which are controlled by a few individuals.

Bitcoin would be much better if it was still GPU/CPU only.
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