Pages:
Author

Topic: I am very disturbed when prices are always up and down (Read 4148 times)

hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Look at it another way, it is fiat that is volatile.


Exactly. It's all a question of the point of reference.

If you believe that Bitcoin will become a dominant world currency with most goods and services priced in Bitcoin then Bitcoin is the right reference point.
In this case, the thing you call "volatility" today will then be called price inflation / deflation...

Even if the USD is your point of reference, you will experience guaranteed loss of purchasing power by holding this fiat money.

ya.ya.yo!

If you hold USD long enough you will lose purchasing power but if you hold it and what you wanted to buy crash you will experience an increase of purchasing power.

Yes, but I was referring to the longterm case.

All "investment" is speculative to some degree - meaning that it involves uncertainty, because not all price movements can be predicted (or to word it better: most price movements can't be predicted...). So investing into Bitcoin involves "volatility" risk.
But if you invest into USD (or holding your investment) you are not only exposed to volatility risk, you're exposed to the additional systemic risk of inflationary devaluation. So with Bitcoin you're exposed to volatility, but with USD you're exposed to volatility within a declining value trend.

ya.ya.yo!.

Nobody knows exactly how and most importantly when a market will move but when you have central banks thinking you can solve problems and create wealth by creating money, you can expect them to do just that.

Therefore you can expect Bitcoin and Gold to increase in nominal terms and even become even more valuable compared to other goods since they are a competitor of fiat currencies.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1024
Look at it another way, it is fiat that is volatile.


Exactly. It's all a question of the point of reference.

If you believe that Bitcoin will become a dominant world currency with most goods and services priced in Bitcoin then Bitcoin is the right reference point.
In this case, the thing you call "volatility" today will then be called price inflation / deflation...

Even if the USD is your point of reference, you will experience guaranteed loss of purchasing power by holding this fiat money.

ya.ya.yo!

If you hold USD long enough you will lose purchasing power but if you hold it and what you wanted to buy crash you will experience an increase of purchasing power.

Yes, but I was referring to the longterm case.

All "investment" is speculative to some degree - meaning that it involves uncertainty, because not all price movements can be predicted (or to word it better: most price movements can't be predicted...). So investing into Bitcoin involves "volatility" risk.
But if you invest into USD (or holding your investment) you are not only exposed to volatility risk, you're exposed to the additional systemic risk of inflationary devaluation. So with Bitcoin you're exposed to volatility, but with USD you're exposed to volatility within a declining value trend.

ya.ya.yo!.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Look at it another way, it is fiat that is volatile.


Exactly. It's all a question of the point of reference.

If you believe that Bitcoin will become a dominant world currency with most goods and services priced in Bitcoin then Bitcoin is the right reference point.
In this case, the thing you call "volatility" today will then be called price inflation / deflation...

Even if the USD is your point of reference, you will experience guaranteed loss of purchasing power by holding this fiat money.

ya.ya.yo!

If you hold USD long enough you will lose purchasing power but if you hold it and what you wanted to buy crash you will experience an increase of purchasing power.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1024
Look at it another way, it is fiat that is volatile.


Exactly. It's all a question of the point of reference.

If you believe that Bitcoin will become a dominant world currency with most goods and services priced in Bitcoin then Bitcoin is the right reference point.
In this case, the thing you call "volatility" today will then be called price inflation / deflation...

Even if the USD is your point of reference, you will experience guaranteed loss of purchasing power by holding this fiat money.

ya.ya.yo!
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Look at it another way, it is fiat that is volatile.


If it was the $ the price of everything else will be very volatile. I think Bitcoin's price is a bit volatile but still great to have bitcoins it will get less volatile.
legendary
Activity: 1067
Merit: 1000
Look at it another way, it is fiat that is volatile.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
If volatility is troubling, perhaps crypto is not for you.   Grin

You have volatility with Gold, in the stock market or if you trade anything that has a small market, is speculative in nature and is at an early stage of development.
legendary
Activity: 944
Merit: 1026
If volatility is troubling, perhaps crypto is not for you.   Grin
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
playing pasta and eating mandolinos
I know this is a very subjective question and that thee have been numerous debates here about it. However, in your opinion what price does bitcoin have to drop to before the average hobbyist miner with the most efficient h/w is mining at a loss?

Non-industrial miners are already below sustainable price: the most efficient just slightly, the least efficient a whole order of magnitude!
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
fb.com/Bitky.shop | Bitcoin Merch!Premium Quality!
People are just scared to buy and hold, the large volume and price jumping around is people buying and dumping, all afraid to lose more, but also afraid of missing the train to moon.

If you buy a stock you will win/lose too and you will have large fluctuations, the key is to be patient.
Agree.
but, not just any patience, agility and speed of take advantage of opportunities are also needed.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
People are just scared to buy and hold, the large volume and price jumping around is people buying and dumping, all afraid to lose more, but also afraid of missing the train to moon.

If you buy a stock you will win/lose too and you will have large fluctuations, the key is to be patient.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 252
Here I Am !!
People are just scared to buy and hold, the large volume and price jumping around is people buying and dumping, all afraid to lose more, but also afraid of missing the train to moon.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250

For the hobbyist miner the 350 level becomes very very minimal profit for people who don't even pay electricity...

you are deluded. i stopped reading right there.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..

a drop in price might be a good thing for miners. difficulty charts are showing a kind of unsureness in miners commitments, it's neither up nor down if you study it closely. we could be looking at a nice drop in difficulty if the price does drop to $300. I don't mind either way to be honest, but it's interesting times you must admit.

Not if you factor in your electricity charges, you might suddenly end up paying more bills then what you get..

That is.. if the only reason to mine is to sell the BTC as you mine it.
I shouldn't go into the discussion on electric costs as I am more fortunate than most, but factoring in electric costs is indeed part of the prospecting of the currency.

look at it this way: BTC is 25 coins per block (phase 2)... before too long, that block reward is going to halve. Currently, it's the age of the corporate miner and because of this, prices are going to be suppressed until mining returns back to the enthusiast. I do this because i'm an enthusiast and a hobbyist, I don't do it to make a monthly income. I'd urge that others think similarly - if you are mining with the most efficient h/w then you should still have some BTC left over after the electric costs are covered. Now is not a time to cash-in on every satoshi you mine, now is a time to hoard whatever you can.

I know this is a very subjective question and that thee have been numerous debates here about it. However, in your opinion what price does bitcoin have to drop to before the average hobbyist miner with the most efficient h/w is mining at a loss?


I don't speculate in that way, sorry

1BTC = 1BTC

if I don't find the means to spend my coins on real-world assets in my lifetime, then my children will.
I don't have any requirement to cash-out any of the coins I mine, therefore, my mining rig is always profitable.
However I'm sure there may be someone here that can answer your question in their own personal capacity.

For the hobbyist miner the 350 level becomes very very minimal profit for people who don't even pay electricity... For the guys with huge farms they are getting coins at double digit prices! Amazing profit & that's why most of them sell right away! Mega-Miners are currently minting the bitcoin price to the floor!

To people talking about leaving bitcoins for their kids as if it's real estate please get your heads checked... How many companies that released revolutionary products, protocols, or services are still around today??? Now imagine in the technology sector where a new iPad 9 is being made even before iPad 8 is released... Catch my drift??? Funds and ideas are already moving out of bitcoin in order to make something really sustainable that will last & be picked up by the mainstream.

Unfortunately, Bitcoin can't survive too much longer...
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..

a drop in price might be a good thing for miners. difficulty charts are showing a kind of unsureness in miners commitments, it's neither up nor down if you study it closely. we could be looking at a nice drop in difficulty if the price does drop to $300. I don't mind either way to be honest, but it's interesting times you must admit.

Not if you factor in your electricity charges, you might suddenly end up paying more bills then what you get..

That is.. if the only reason to mine is to sell the BTC as you mine it.
I shouldn't go into the discussion on electric costs as I am more fortunate than most, but factoring in electric costs is indeed part of the prospecting of the currency.

look at it this way: BTC is 25 coins per block (phase 2)... before too long, that block reward is going to halve. Currently, it's the age of the corporate miner and because of this, prices are going to be suppressed until mining returns back to the enthusiast. I do this because i'm an enthusiast and a hobbyist, I don't do it to make a monthly income. I'd urge that others think similarly - if you are mining with the most efficient h/w then you should still have some BTC left over after the electric costs are covered. Now is not a time to cash-in on every satoshi you mine, now is a time to hoard whatever you can.

I know this is a very subjective question and that thee have been numerous debates here about it. However, in your opinion what price does bitcoin have to drop to before the average hobbyist miner with the most efficient h/w is mining at a loss?


I don't speculate in that way, sorry

1BTC = 1BTC

if I don't find the means to spend my coins on real-world assets in my lifetime, then my children will.
I don't have any requirement to cash-out any of the coins I mine, therefore, my mining rig is always profitable.
However I'm sure there may be someone here that can answer your question in their own personal capacity.
sr. member
Activity: 318
Merit: 250
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..

a drop in price might be a good thing for miners. difficulty charts are showing a kind of unsureness in miners commitments, it's neither up nor down if you study it closely. we could be looking at a nice drop in difficulty if the price does drop to $300. I don't mind either way to be honest, but it's interesting times you must admit.

Not if you factor in your electricity charges, you might suddenly end up paying more bills then what you get..

That is.. if the only reason to mine is to sell the BTC as you mine it.
I shouldn't go into the discussion on electric costs as I am more fortunate than most, but factoring in electric costs is indeed part of the prospecting of the currency.

look at it this way: BTC is 25 coins per block (phase 2)... before too long, that block reward is going to halve. Currently, it's the age of the corporate miner and because of this, prices are going to be suppressed until mining returns back to the enthusiast. I do this because i'm an enthusiast and a hobbyist, I don't do it to make a monthly income. I'd urge that others think similarly - if you are mining with the most efficient h/w then you should still have some BTC left over after the electric costs are covered. Now is not a time to cash-in on every satoshi you mine, now is a time to hoard whatever you can.

I know this is a very subjective question and that thee have been numerous debates here about it. However, in your opinion what price does bitcoin have to drop to before the average hobbyist miner with the most efficient h/w is mining at a loss?
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..

a drop in price might be a good thing for miners. difficulty charts are showing a kind of unsureness in miners commitments, it's neither up nor down if you study it closely. we could be looking at a nice drop in difficulty if the price does drop to $300. I don't mind either way to be honest, but it's interesting times you must admit.

Not if you factor in your electricity charges, you might suddenly end up paying more bills then what you get..

That is.. if the only reason to mine is to sell the BTC as you mine it.
I shouldn't go into the discussion on electric costs as I am more fortunate than most, but factoring in electric costs is indeed part of the prospecting of the currency.

look at it this way: BTC is 25 coins per block (phase 2)... before too long, that block reward is going to halve. Currently, it's the age of the corporate miner and because of this, prices are going to be suppressed until mining returns back to the enthusiast. I do this because i'm an enthusiast and a hobbyist, I don't do it to make a monthly income. I'd urge that others think similarly - if you are mining with the most efficient h/w then you should still have some BTC left over after the electric costs are covered. Now is not a time to cash-in on every satoshi you mine, now is a time to hoard whatever you can.
sr. member
Activity: 275
Merit: 250
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..

a drop in price might be a good thing for miners. difficulty charts are showing a kind of unsureness in miners commitments, it's neither up nor down if you study it closely. we could be looking at a nice drop in difficulty if the price does drop to $300. I don't mind either way to be honest, but it's interesting times you must admit.

Not if you factor in your electricity charges, you might suddenly end up paying more bills then what you get..
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..

a drop in price might be a good thing for miners. difficulty charts are showing a kind of unsureness in miners commitments, it's neither up nor down if you study it closely. we could be looking at a nice drop in difficulty if the price does drop to $300. I don't mind either way to be honest, but it's interesting times you must admit.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 252
Here I Am !!
well.. btc moving really slowly now cos what happens today and probably tomorrow will decide whether we go below 350 or not. Personally I think we are going sub 300..
Pages:
Jump to: