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legendary
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March 14, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
#21
Although I don't agree with a 1-1 copy of a coin which is essentially counterfeiting, we're still awaiting proof that the OP can actually produce one of these coins from metal.  IMO they should not need a forum user to supply a design to copy to create a sample.   Smiley

Agreed, I would like to see something, anything that the OP has created to verify his ability, and quality of his coins.   Until we see some sort of sample, this thread is just conjecture. 
legendary
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March 12, 2017, 03:33:28 AM
#20
So if someone sent a Casascius coin to copy,  that wouldn't concern you?

Are you kidding? Everyone already does steal Mike's design! Most of the coins on the market have his BTC with "cross" patter behind it and/or the obverse with some combination of binary code and hologram design worked in.

And what about the coasters, marble tokens, aluminum tokens, and paintings that steal Mike's design.

Shit, the Casascius coin is the public image of Bitcoin. Every news story about it shows a stock image of a stack of Casascius coins!

The only one that should be concerned is Mike Caldwell, if he were a money grubber he could be collecting royalties on every use. He's certainly not that guy, which is great for everyone.

So, no, I wouldn't be concerned.

You dont get it.

Im going to go out on a limb and say you dont have anything to lose if Cas coins are counterfitted.  Im with monkeynuts, the more counterfits on the market is another chance for someone who doesnt know what their doing gets burned, which is not got for anything and only encourages more of the same activety.

And the only one i see that made a direct copy of the cas coin was microsoul.  Dont know of anymore, but i could be wrong

Copying a coin is one thing, copying the hologram is a whole new chapter. I am not that concerned about counterfeit coins. So far not a single one has come close to the original coin and they are easily spotted. Mike did a good job on the hologram.

To any coinmaker; spent a few cent more on the hologram to make it impossible for others to recreate.

Even holograms aren't always safe from being copied.
Most holograms used for the physical coins seen here are manufactured in Asia and although there are some levels of discretion and confidentiality, some manufacturers will often be willing to copy existing designs if it means business for them. Although you won't always get a 1:1 copy, the holograms could come out pretty similar to the real thing.
If you manage to find the same manufacturer as the original hologram then all it takes is one greedy salesperson who could breach all confidentiality agreements...
legendary
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March 11, 2017, 05:35:11 PM
#19
Although I don't agree with a 1-1 copy of a coin which is essentially counterfeiting, we're still awaiting proof that the OP can actually produce one of these coins from metal.  IMO they should not need a forum user to supply a design to copy to create a sample.   Smiley
sr. member
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March 09, 2017, 01:03:53 PM
#18
Does the coin minter/presser have an obligation to combat similar designs?

Uberbills is not Mikes site, never has been. It just uses the fullist.txt file that Mike published as a reference for the addresses, and types, and then checks the funding status on the blockchain

Microsouls are similar, granted. But they are not direct copies (ie they dont say casascius on them). I used Casascius as an example. The issue is copying any coin, crypto or none crypto.

The point is that we should not be encouraging exact copying, which is what is being implied here. Yes there may end up being slight imperfections with copies, but as they are pointed out, the next batch of copies gets closer, and becomes increasingly harder to distinguish.

I know that this cannot be stopped, and that people will try and copy. Doesnt mean it should be encouraged or appeased.

My personal opinion. As long as it is easy to see that we are talking about a duplicate coin then the minter shouldnt have to worry about ehat the coins are used for. As soon as it gets harder to notice the difference between  original and copy then the minter has the responsibility to ask what the purpose of the coins will be. If f.e. coopies are made for promotional purposes the minter could agree with it.

But we all know that we live in a world where you can sent your design to a random chinese minter and 0 questions asked.
hero member
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March 09, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
#17
Good point, it's not Mike's site. I was unaware of how much involvement Mike had in creating it. It stands as a great reference.

And yeah, copies of coins are not good. The intellectual property of each coinmaker should be preserved. It's frustrating (to me) that Microsoul has so clearly copied core elements of Casascius coins. At least the Lealana coins have an L for lite coin on their hologram rather than the BTC. Although those holograms would be the same if they both had "Casascius" on it.

I think the OP is really just saying "send me your design". It should be the responsibility of the coin designer, owner, seller to not infringe on the intellectual property of others, yes? Does the coin minter/presser have an obligation to combat similar designs?

Uberbills is not Mikes site, never has been. It just uses the fullist.txt file that Mike published as a reference for the addresses, and types, and then checks the funding status on the blockchain

Microsouls are similar, granted. But they are not direct copies (ie they dont say casascius on them). I used Casascius as an example. The issue is copying any coin, crypto or none crypto.

The point is that we should not be encouraging exact copying, which is what is being implied here. Yes there may end up being slight imperfections with copies, but as they are pointed out, the next batch of copies gets closer, and becomes increasingly harder to distinguish.

I know that this cannot be stopped, and that people will try and copy. Doesnt mean it should be encouraged or appeased.
legendary
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March 09, 2017, 11:36:41 AM
#16
You dont get it.

Im going to go out on a limb and say you dont have anything to lose if Cas coins are counterfitted.  Im with monkeynuts, the more counterfits on the market is another chance for someone who doesnt know what their doing gets burned, which is not got for anything and only encourages more of the same activety.

And the only one i see that made a direct copy of the cas coin was microsoul.  Dont know of anymore, but i could be wrong

I own Casascius coins so I would have something directly to lose if those coins (or any of Mike's coins) were counterfeit. Mike is also a smart guy and set up a directory of every single one of his funded coins with public address so anyone can verify the amount funded on a Casascius coin. I'm sure you're familiar with his uberbills site: https://casascius.uberbills.com/

I get that counterfeits or any scam behavior around physical coins hurts the entire market. The shit going on with Alitin right now sucks! And not just for their coins that were swept by thieves.

My main point is that some random guy says "I can press coins" and you all believe that he'll instantly be able to recreate, with detail that's comparable to the real thing, any other physical crypto coin.

If you believe it's that easy then that possibility already exists. ANYONE can go to the real, established coin manufacturer and produce replicas of any crypto coin in existence.

Microsoul is definitely the worst offender of copying Mike Caldwell, you're OK with this but not with any others?

I dont own any microsoul coins for this reason amongst a couple others  Grin
legendary
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MONKEYNUTS
March 09, 2017, 11:31:36 AM
#15
Uberbills is not Mikes site, never has been. It just uses the fullist.txt file that Mike published as a reference for the addresses, and types, and then checks the funding status on the blockchain

Microsouls are similar, granted. But they are not direct copies (ie they dont say casascius on them). I used Casascius as an example. The issue is copying any coin, crypto or none crypto.

The point is that we should not be encouraging exact copying, which is what is being implied here. Yes there may end up being slight imperfections with copies, but as they are pointed out, the next batch of copies gets closer, and becomes increasingly harder to distinguish.

I know that this cannot be stopped, and that people will try and copy. Doesnt mean it should be encouraged or appeased.
hero member
Activity: 1106
Merit: 638
March 09, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
#14
You dont get it.

Im going to go out on a limb and say you dont have anything to lose if Cas coins are counterfitted.  Im with monkeynuts, the more counterfits on the market is another chance for someone who doesnt know what their doing gets burned, which is not got for anything and only encourages more of the same activety.

And the only one i see that made a direct copy of the cas coin was microsoul.  Dont know of anymore, but i could be wrong

I own Casascius coins so I would have something directly to lose if those coins (or any of Mike's coins) were counterfeit. Mike is also a smart guy and set up a directory of every single one of his funded coins with public address so anyone can verify the amount funded on a Casascius coin. I'm sure you're familiar with his uberbills site: https://casascius.uberbills.com/

I get that counterfeits or any scam behavior around physical coins hurts the entire market. The shit going on with Alitin right now sucks! And not just for their coins that were swept by thieves.

My main point is that some random guy says "I can press coins" and you all believe that he'll instantly be able to recreate, with detail that's comparable to the real thing, any other physical crypto coin.

If you believe it's that easy then that possibility already exists. ANYONE can go to the real, established coin manufacturer and produce replicas of any crypto coin in existence.

Microsoul is definitely the worst offender of copying Mike Caldwell, you're OK with this but not with any others?
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 262
March 09, 2017, 08:15:25 AM
#13
So if someone sent a Casascius coin to copy,  that wouldn't concern you?

Are you kidding? Everyone already does steal Mike's design! Most of the coins on the market have his BTC with "cross" patter behind it and/or the obverse with some combination of binary code and hologram design worked in.

And what about the coasters, marble tokens, aluminum tokens, and paintings that steal Mike's design.

Shit, the Casascius coin is the public image of Bitcoin. Every news story about it shows a stock image of a stack of Casascius coins!

The only one that should be concerned is Mike Caldwell, if he were a money grubber he could be collecting royalties on every use. He's certainly not that guy, which is great for everyone.

So, no, I wouldn't be concerned.

You dont get it.

Im going to go out on a limb and say you dont have anything to lose if Cas coins are counterfitted.  Im with monkeynuts, the more counterfits on the market is another chance for someone who doesnt know what their doing gets burned, which is not got for anything and only encourages more of the same activety.

And the only one i see that made a direct copy of the cas coin was microsoul.  Dont know of anymore, but i could be wrong

Copying a coin is one thing, copying the hologram is a whole new chapter. I am not that concerned about counterfeit coins. So far not a single one has come close to the original coin and they are easily spotted. Mike did a good job on the hologram.

To any coinmaker; spent a few cent more on the hologram to make it impossible for others to recreate.
legendary
Activity: 3752
Merit: 1415
March 09, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
#12
So if someone sent a Casascius coin to copy,  that wouldn't concern you?

Are you kidding? Everyone already does steal Mike's design! Most of the coins on the market have his BTC with "cross" patter behind it and/or the obverse with some combination of binary code and hologram design worked in.

And what about the coasters, marble tokens, aluminum tokens, and paintings that steal Mike's design.

Shit, the Casascius coin is the public image of Bitcoin. Every news story about it shows a stock image of a stack of Casascius coins!

The only one that should be concerned is Mike Caldwell, if he were a money grubber he could be collecting royalties on every use. He's certainly not that guy, which is great for everyone.

So, no, I wouldn't be concerned.

You dont get it.

Im going to go out on a limb and say you dont have anything to lose if Cas coins are counterfitted.  Im with monkeynuts, the more counterfits on the market is another chance for someone who doesnt know what their doing gets burned, which is not got for anything and only encourages more of the same activety.

And the only one i see that made a direct copy of the cas coin was microsoul.  Dont know of anymore, but i could be wrong
hero member
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March 08, 2017, 10:26:16 PM
#11
So if someone sent a Casascius coin to copy,  that wouldn't concern you?

Are you kidding? Everyone already does steal Mike's design! Most of the coins on the market have his BTC with "cross" patter behind it and/or the obverse with some combination of binary code and hologram design worked in.

And what about the coasters, marble tokens, aluminum tokens, and paintings that steal Mike's design.

Shit, the Casascius coin is the public image of Bitcoin. Every news story about it shows a stock image of a stack of Casascius coins!

The only one that should be concerned is Mike Caldwell, if he were a money grubber he could be collecting royalties on every use. He's certainly not that guy, which is great for everyone.

So, no, I wouldn't be concerned.
legendary
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Merit: 1140
March 08, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
#10
So if someone sent a Casascius coin to copy,  that wouldn't concern you?

I could send a casascius coin to any one the dozens of sellers on Alibaba that make Brass coins.   I'm sure there would be some aspect of the coin that could make it be proven inauthentic.  It's the same as fiat, there are counterfeit bills and coins all the time.
legendary
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MONKEYNUTS
March 08, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
#9
So if someone sent a Casascius coin to copy,  that wouldn't concern you?
hero member
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March 08, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
#8
The copying of coins concerns me, rather than making original content


What's the concern?

This OP just wants to get paid to press coins. The designs need to come from the buyer.
legendary
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MONKEYNUTS
March 08, 2017, 05:24:05 PM
#7
The copying of coins concerns me, rather than making original content
hero member
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March 08, 2017, 04:20:54 PM
#6
It's an interesting idea yet would be great to see some samples of your work.

If you want people to hire you for this you need to prove that you're provide a better option than others, i.e., better quality, better price, better materials, better designs, better service.

What do you offer?

Why should someone do business with you?

Why are you so certain you can produce high quality coins if just provided a picture?

If you want to sell us, close us.
legendary
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March 08, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
#5
It's an interesting idea yet would be great to see some samples of your work.
legendary
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March 08, 2017, 01:42:27 PM
#4
I'd recommend trying to make a sample coin first, that way people can see the quality to be expected.  Smiley
legendary
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March 08, 2017, 03:31:02 AM
#3
no i want someone sent me the photos or the auto cad file of the coins

and i will make it
i think ceramic black coin will be very special
hero member
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March 07, 2017, 10:23:32 PM
#2
Do you have any samples of your work?

Recently I've seen some very raw cuts of coin, unique the may be but they're just so rough. I look for the link.

How many coins can stamp out? Do you source your own metal? Do you also design?

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